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Post#821 » by blind prophet » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:17 am

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kalenclayton wrote:What will the Bucks even be able to offer to make it worthwhile? They just gave up everything for Jrue. Divincenzo, Wilson, and Ersan? Is that even enticing enough?


In a sign and trade I think that’s just right.


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Post#822 » by nolang1 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:31 am

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kalenclayton wrote:What will the Bucks even be able to offer to make it worthwhile? They just gave up everything for Jrue. Divincenzo, Wilson, and Ersan? Is that even enticing enough?


In a sign and trade I think that’s just right.


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Kings are giving up Justin James too, so that's a little more tilted towards the Bucks when he's worth having around more than Wilson or Ilyasova.
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Post#823 » by HartfordWhalers » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:36 am

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This.

But since Phoenix is likely asking OKC to hold off on making it official (bc that’s obvious for Phoenix)... Presti has plenty of time to come up with a landing spot for Oubre+Whatever and make the deal into a three team trade.



Nope. It's already official.


I do believe you.

But do think that is very wasteful. For both sides honestly.

OKC could have taken back more bad salary from third team trade thanks to the extra money Phoenix was taking on, right? Presti losing that 6-7 million of salary eating potential is small I understand - but wasteful and weird. He’s smarter than that.


Some of us have been arguing that being an over the cap team and keeping both Saric/Baynes and MLE is better than trying free agency for 15 pages or so. OKC gets a tpe, which is less flexible but still something.
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Post#824 » by NYG » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:01 am

I feel like when things start popping off quick like this where there is a lot of talk and big movement going on, there is always that under the radar big move that comes out of nowhere even though there was no rumor about it. I could see something random like a KAT trade or something before the draft.
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Post#825 » by kriss73 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:37 am

Giannis seems committed to Milwaukee.

Look at Riley to trade Bam,Hierro and picks for Harden and to sign Davis in FA.
It would be really fun.
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Post#826 » by Buzzard » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:06 am

kriss73 wrote:Giannis seems committed to Milwaukee.

Look at Riley to trade Bam,Hierro and picks for Harden and to sign Davis in FA.
It would be really fun.

I think Riley may chase Gallinari now long term. Dragic, Hero, Nunn, Robinson, Butler, Bam, Gallinari. They gave everyone in the East fits without Gallinari. Adding him will only make them better. Scary thought, add Serge with a MLE. Gallinari offense plus Serge defense added to that team would look pretty stout.
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Post#827 » by Buzzard » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:25 am

I wonder if the NBA is going to disallow this Bogdan trade due to tampering. Everyone knows it happens but this being leaked so early could be seen as blatant and not taken kindly by the league office.

Still, even in the wake of O’Connor’s report, we didn’t expect to learn so early in the week that the Kings and Bucks have already reached an agreement. Since Bogdanovic will technically be a free agent, he and Milwaukee aren’t supposed to have any contact until Friday, so the NBA likely won’t be thrilled that news of this deal has already leaked.
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Post#828 » by Kilo » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:24 pm

Couldn't Sacto have given Bogdan permission to talk to other teams?
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Post#829 » by Buzzard » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:11 pm

Kilo wrote:Couldn't Sacto have given Bogdan permission to talk to other teams?

I don't think so as its viewed as giving teams unfair advantage. That is the reason for the rule. Everyone gets a equal chance talk starting the 1st day.
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Post#830 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:15 pm

Miami aint moving Bam for Harden, not at this point. Beard has tanked his trade value by demanding BRK. Teams know that now.

Herro, Nunn, fillers, 4-5 FRP's. And thats still better than what BRK can offer.
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Post#831 » by Buzzard » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:31 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Miami aint moving Bam for Harden, not at this point. Beard has tanked his trade value by demanding BRK. Teams know that now.

Herro, Nunn, fillers, 4-5 FRP's. And thats still better than what BRK can offer.

Two players Atlanta interested in go elsewhere. I see the Hawks still trying to get someone for 6 but they are not selling the farm. Imagine if they helped get Harden to Miami. #6 for Herro and 20. 6 goes to Houston.
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Post#832 » by Laimbeer » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:45 pm

Surprising how little Bogdon went for given the FRPs tossed around for Jrue and RoCo.
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Post#833 » by Buzzard » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:52 pm

Laimbeer wrote:Surprising how little Bogdon went for given the FRPs tossed around for Jrue and RoCo.

He is one dimensional and if the rumor is right he got paid. 18 million a year might be more than Atlanta or any other team with cap may have offered.
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Post#834 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:10 pm

#6 for Herro and 20


I have Herro worth more than #6, let alone #20.

There is an argument that you dont move him for #1 IMO. He is going to be a stud.
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Post#835 » by BuzzCity » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:12 pm

Buzzard wrote:I wonder if the NBA is going to disallow this Bogdan trade due to tampering. Everyone knows it happens but this being leaked so early could be seen as blatant and not taken kindly by the league office.

Still, even in the wake of O’Connor’s report, we didn’t expect to learn so early in the week that the Kings and Bucks have already reached an agreement. Since Bogdanovic will technically be a free agent, he and Milwaukee aren’t supposed to have any contact until Friday, so the NBA likely won’t be thrilled that news of this deal has already leaked.


I wondered about this too. Couldn’t the Kings just claim they reached a contract agreement with Bogdanovic (who they can speak to) and then agreed in principal to a deal with the Bucks. Bogdanovic agreed to the parameters of the deal but then was traded?

Or would that be against the rules too since u can’t sign a free agent and trade him until whatever the date typically is several months after the season starts?
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Post#836 » by LofJ » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:12 pm

Buzzard wrote:
Kilo wrote:Couldn't Sacto have given Bogdan permission to talk to other teams?

I don't think so as its viewed as giving teams unfair advantage. That is the reason for the rule. Everyone gets a equal chance talk starting the 1st day.


That rule makes sense, but it might as well not exist because the league never enforces it.
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Post#837 » by Buzzard » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:20 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
#6 for Herro and 20


I have Herro worth more than #6, let alone #20.

There is an argument that you dont move him for #1 IMO. He is going to be a stud.

I can see the hope for him. But like most rookies he needs to check his shot selection. .428 FG% is not horrible for a rookie but its nothing to write home about.

Trae improved from .418 to .437 and I would like to see .440 to .450 on a yearly basis.
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Post#838 » by BlazersBroncos » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:23 pm

I can see the hope for him. But like most rookies he needs to check his shot selection. .428 FG% is not horrible for a rookie but its nothing to write home about.

Trae improved from .418 to .437 and I would like to see .440 to .450 on a yearly basis.


He also shot nearly 50% of his attempts from 3. His advanced stats are somewhat pedestrian, but his eye test passes with a huge A on offense IMO. I really buy the poor mans Ray Allen comparisons.
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Post#839 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:39 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
#6 for Herro and 20


I have Herro worth more than #6, let alone #20.

There is an argument that you dont move him for #1 IMO. He is going to be a stud.



Yeah. He’s at least shown enough to hold onto until you know for sure what you have in him long term.
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Post#840 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:42 pm

BuzzCity wrote:
Buzzard wrote:I wonder if the NBA is going to disallow this Bogdan trade due to tampering. Everyone knows it happens but this being leaked so early could be seen as blatant and not taken kindly by the league office.

Still, even in the wake of O’Connor’s report, we didn’t expect to learn so early in the week that the Kings and Bucks have already reached an agreement. Since Bogdanovic will technically be a free agent, he and Milwaukee aren’t supposed to have any contact until Friday, so the NBA likely won’t be thrilled that news of this deal has already leaked.


I wondered about this too. Couldn’t the Kings just claim they reached a contract agreement with Bogdanovic (who they can speak to) and then agreed in principal to a deal with the Bucks. Bogdanovic agreed to the parameters of the deal but then was traded?

Or would that be against the rules too since u can’t sign a free agent and trade him until whatever the date typically is several months after the season starts?


A sign and trade contract is different from a regular signing. If they agreed to a deal with him, he’s ineligible to be traded until January since they used bird rights to sign him. If they agreed to a sign and trade (and he’d have to agree), the contract is different, and if he’s not traded ASAP the deal is null and void. There’s no plausible deniability here.

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