2020 Draft & Free Agency

[Scoot McGroot]

If we are to try and keep Justin, as is reported, we ABSOLUTELY have to cut salary somehow, by quite a bit.

Then I wouldn't hate trading Vic to a team with cap room or a big trade exemption if only to move on.

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There’s only a few of those around the league total.

[Wizop]

If we are to try and keep Justin, as is reported, we ABSOLUTELY have to cut salary somehow, by quite a bit.

Then I wouldn't hate trading Vic to a team with cap room or a big trade exemption if only to move on.

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There’s only a few of those around the league total.

Understood. Can the Knicks clear room? How does the Warriors exemption work? Could we be a third team in a Westbrook deal? Lakers said to be wanting to expand Schroeder deal - I suppose that means Green going to third team.

I'm betting draft isn't as bad as people are saying. Maybe top 3 aren't obvious superstars but I bet there is value later if you make your deal after you know who is there at the pick you're getting.

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[Scoot McGroot]

Then I wouldn't hate trading Vic to a team with cap room or a big trade exemption if only to move on.

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There’s only a few of those around the league total.

Understood. Can the Knicks clear room? How does the Warriors exemption work? Could we be a third team in a Westbrook deal? Lakers said to be wanting to expand Schroeder deal - I suppose that means Green going to third team.

I'm betting draft isn't as bad as people are saying. Maybe top 3 aren't obvious superstars but I bet there is value later if you make your deal after you know who is there at the pick you're getting.

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Knicks can clear room.
The Warriors TPE is $17.2m, but can’t be combined with salary, so either if Oladipo or Myles make too much to be absorbed by it. They’d have to salary match within 25% as a taxpayer team.

We could be in most any deal as a 3rd team. We would just have to provide incentive to them in doing so. And even then, they may not want to absorb salary from us, and may want to cut costs themselves.

As for the draft, there’s no clear superstars. There seems to be a good amount of role players though. I’m sure there will be 15-20 guys that carve out 10 year careers, but I’m not sure how many project to be in starting lineups, or maybe even 6-8 men type roles.

[Wizop]

Knicks can clear room.
The Warriors TPE is $17.2m, but can’t be combined with salary, so either if Oladipo or Myles make too much to be absorbed by it. They’d have to salary match within 25% as a taxpayer team.

I tried Warriors in checker and got the 125% rule but wasn't sure if that meant exemption couldn't be combined or if checker didn't figure in the exemption. Scratch them.

[Scoot McGroot]

Knicks can clear room.
The Warriors TPE is $17.2m, but can’t be combined with salary, so either if Oladipo or Myles make too much to be absorbed by it. They’d have to salary match within 25% as a taxpayer team.

I tried Warriors in checker and got the 125% rule but wasn't sure if that meant exemption couldn't be combined or if checker didn't figure in the exemption. Scratch them.

Yup. TPE's are a solid thing. They cannot be combined with salary, or matched with the 125% salary matching rule. They must be within $100k of whatever salary you're acquiring. Now, they might have a good amount of interest in Doug McDermott, and could absorb him using their TPE, leaving around $10m to still acquire other talent. I'm not sure they can offer much more incentive than just 48 and/or 51 in the 2nd round this year. They own the T-Wolves 2nd round pick in next year's draft, which could be interesting. Maybe 48 and the TWolves 2nd next year for Doug/54? That would essentially let you keep Justin for anything up to the MLE, and still have room for the 2nd this year, and $4m~ to fill out the other 2 roster spots. If you shave enough off of Justin's 1st year on a MLE, or get him to sign for something like 4/28 (I think adding years could save a little money per year), you might even be able to clear enough to use the Bi-Annual Exception which allows up to a 2 year deal starting at $3.883m in the first year (with up to 5% raise on the 2nd year, for a total of 2/$7.96m), and all that without even having to pay to dump TJ Leaf.

[Scoot McGroot]

But draft? If he falls into the 2nd, I really want Paul Reed out of DePaul. Exactly the kind of 3 and D type PF/SF that we've been hoping for for awhile. Otherwise, any killer shooters in the 2nd would be fine by me.

[Wizop]

But draft? If he falls into the 2nd, I really want Paul Reed out of DePaul. Exactly the kind of 3 and D type PF/SF that we've been hoping for for awhile. Otherwise, any killer shooters in the 2nd would be fine by me.

I've been wanting to give Kamar Baldwin a camp deal but I just looked him up and he's playing in Turkey. I'd take him at 54 even though it's a reach and tell him to stay in Turkey for a year.

I'll look up Reed

I'm coming around to being willing to move Vic now just so we don't have to deal with this all year.

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[Wizop]

Reed's interview on HoopsHype looks good. He's mocked everywhere from low first to low second though.

Philly has 4 seconds. Two are in mid 30s. They should deal.

[Scoot McGroot]

Reed's interview on HoopsHype looks good. He's mocked everywhere from low first to low second though.

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Yeah. This draft will be all over the place, and Reed is one of those guys. He's probably a pure 4, but he looks to be able to help a team immediately on the defensive end, both on the perimeter and in the post. If his 3 grows more consistent, he'd be a killer piece.

[basketballwacko2]

Knicks can clear room.
The Warriors TPE is $17.2m, but can’t be combined with salary, so either if Oladipo or Myles make too much to be absorbed by it. They’d have to salary match within 25% as a taxpayer team.

I tried Warriors in checker and got the 125% rule but wasn't sure if that meant exemption couldn't be combined or if checker didn't figure in the exemption. Scratch them.

The ESPN trade machine no longer shows the Iggy TPE. I understand that that it will exist until right after the FA period begins. But I don't think we have anyway to deal with that in a meaningful way.

[Topofthekey]

Vic is a tough question mark

On one hand, not a single one of of his teammates came to his defense when the not so flattering articles about him came out - silence as they say, can be deafening

On the other hand, this a very young team, it's a little unrealistic to expect them to display the same amount of mental fortitude and professionalism that seasoned vets do; so maybe this is all just growing pains and will blow over once the season begins and everyone starts playing together

It's really hard to say what is Vic's role on the team going forward

Is he still the All NBA franchise player that the team can count on?

Or is he just a distraction and disruptive influence for the team at this point?

[Wizop]

It's really hard to say what is Vic's role on the team going forward

before the injury, he was a team leader. when he returned, Brogdon was the leader. not the best player - the leader in the locker room. Vic has to adjust to that and Brogdon has to fit him in as that's what leaders do. if Vic can't deal with not being the leader, Brogdon needs to talk to Pritchard. I hope they figure it out quickly because I sure don't want to have this discussion off and on into next July.

[Topofthekey]

It's really hard to say what is Vic's role on the team going forward

before the injury, he was a team leader. when he returned, Brogdon was the leader. not the best player - the leader in the locker room. Vic has to adjust to that and Brogdon has to fit him in as that's what leaders do. if Vic can't deal with not being the leader, Brogdon needs to talk to Pritchard. I hope they figure it out quickly because I sure don't want to have this discussion off and on into next July.

Well, that's true

If this is something that's going to drag on and become a distraction for the team, I'd rather they just trade him for whatever scraps are available so that the team can just move on

It seems like the issue with the team over the past few seasons has been a lack of stability/continuity

I'd imagine it doesn't make it easier for a young team to develop and gel when everything seems to be in constant flux - Oladipo breaks out then gets injured. Domas breaks out then gets injured. Bench got overhauled. Coach got replaced. And now this talk of Oladipo wanting to play elsewhere. Etc

I hope with the hiring of Bjorkgren, and a quick resolution to whatever the situation is with Oladipo now, the team can finally find some stability and continuity

[Scoot McGroot]

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[Wizop]

TheAthletic mocks Reed falling to us at 54.

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[Wizop]

Have to wonder if Justin will follow JRue to Milwaukee.

[Scoot McGroot]

Have to wonder if Justin will follow JRue to Milwaukee.

Interesting thought, and they could use him. But, I don’t see them having much space under the hard cap they’ll be incurring in receiving a player via S&T, without getting off of some of Brook Lopez‘s salary.

[Jake0890]

Some of these early trades are insane.

OKC is getting a HAUL. The Rockets PAID them to take Chris Paul and the Thunder have managed to flip him for ANOTHER two first round picks. The Schroder trade is less impressive, neither the 28th pick nor Danny Green compare to Schroder at this point. The kid has really turned it around, especially this year. OKC will soon be back and better than ever - what a rebuild from them.

Portland giving up two firsts for RoCo is BONKERS. He's a startable 3&D guy, one of the best in the league at his role, but... really? The core of the Trailblazers is the 3-headed monster of Dame, CJ, and RoCo? That just doesn't do it for me at all. Without some serious moving of pieces (CJ included) I simply don't see how this team contends in the West.

And then we have the Bucks... 3 firsts plus 2 pick swaps for Jrue Holiday. I mean sheesh. I get that keeping Giannis around and convincing him to sign the supermax is worth more than any combination of picks in the 25-30 range ever could be, but I don't know that this really elevates the Bucks to another level.They're going to need big time performances from Jrue, Khris, and Brook Lopez down the stretch to win playoff games against the Celtics, Lakers, other top teams as they'll surely key onto Giannis to prevent him from impacting the game in the half-court offense. It's still an uphill battle for them. And perhaps the scariest thing of all - Jrue is an expiring contract.

I guess my big take away from all of this is.... how many first round picks is James Harden worth? If Jrue is worth 3 + 2 swaps, RoCo is worth 2, and Chris Paul is worth 2... I'd say Harden is worth 10? How could you possibly trade a 35 PPG scorer under contract until 2023 for anything more than the biggest trade haul in NBA history? Draft picks ain't worth what the used to be, apparently.

[Scoot McGroot]

A bit OT, but Hayward’s decision on his player option is due by 5pm today. So at least we’ll start moving towards ending that discussion, one way or the other.

[Scoot McGroot]

A bit OT, but Hayward’s decision on his player option is due by 5pm today. So at least we’ll start moving towards ending that discussion, one way or the other.

Sigh.

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