Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday - Trade done - Bucks 2022 to CLE unprotected

[truly]

At first i didnt like this at all but Holiday is definitely an upgrade over playoff Bledsoe and i now have significant confidence that Giannis will sign the max.If there are protections in the picks this is a good trade.

[WRau1]

Ainge always seems to have a stock pile of late picks that amount to nothing but never pulls the trigger to trade them.

Can't blame Horst for this affliction.

I'm not here for the revisionist attitude though that the picks don't mean that much just because the Bucks so often screw up in the draft. Credit where it's due to Griffin for negotiating to an almost absurd degree.

That said, the Bucks (and Giannis personally presumably) must think that Holiday is going to step it up in a serious way for us long term.

I more meant that he loves his late picks i stead of turning them into an actual player. Word is he also drove up the price big time on the Bucks for Holiday. So Griffin can have the credit but Ainge did us dirty. Good on him.

[DingleJerry]

Agree, as long as there is some kind of protections so if Giannis leaves and these picks end up top 5ish we'd still get them then this is ok.

[M-C-G]

Ladies and Gents, this is what all in looks like. Now use that MLE to nab Gallo and ring chase out the rest of the roster.

[coolhandluke121]

Serious questions : Can Jrue throw an accurate lob? Can Jrue Run a fast break? Can Jrue run a pick and roll? Can Jrue throw an entry pass? If yes - great trade.

He's mediocre at this in my opinion, just like Bledsoe. NOP played their best ball with Rondo at PG and Holiday at SG because Rondo was so much better at finding Davis with pinpoint passes when and where he wanted the ball. Holiday is more of a SG at heart. The real advantage is that he has much more upside as a shooter than Bledsoe, although he hasn't shot the 3 especially well for years despite being great at it his first few years in the league. Very weird progression.

[crkone]

Jrue was about 10% better on C&S 3s than Bledsoe last season, about 6% better the previous year. Bledsoe was 5% better last season at pull-up 3s, about 7% better the season before that.

Jrue drove a bit more but was less efficient than Bledsoe last season, 14.9 to 11.8 drives a game, 47.9% to 55.6% from the field on drives. The previous season Jrue was much better the this past season, 16.6 drives a game on 52% shooting.

Neither team really ran the PnR so I don't think those stats really matter.

Jrue was a better and more frequent shooter in the paint and from the elbow. It gives much needed flexibility.

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[SirChurros]

We made this trade to keep our Shaq/Lebron type. If Giannis signs, those picks are going to be worthless because the Bucks are likely to be competitive.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Yep. A lot can change between now and when those picks come due. One of them could literally be a Shaq/Lebron type pick. I assume since they still owe the Cavs a future pick, the other picks have to be spaced WAY out every other year. I don't like this deal. Holiday hasn't shot the 3 well for years.

Do we actually know that? Have there been any tidbits on the protections that would allow for an completely unprotected pic? Are they automatically 1sts or will some be converted be converted to 2nds?

The swaps could could be pointless and the 3 firsts hopefully are 25-30. I get the against but to be against it is premature since a lot can happen with the details.

There are still contingencies based on the pick they're sending to the Cavs. It's probably safe to assume that it will convey in 2021, but technically they're not allowed to assume that for the purposes of the trade. Therefore the Stepien Rule probably means it's a '23, '25, and '27 pick, unless I'm mistaken about how many picks are included. (Is it #24 plus 3 future picks, or just 3 future picks?) That's way past the time this supporting cast will be productive, and it might be well past Giannis's peak as well considering how much he relies on peak athleticism.

I don't think we know the exact protections, but it's hard to put too much protection on so many picks so far into the future because of how much the contingencies limit other trades. It could just be a '23 and '25 pick if pick #24 is one of the "future" picks in the reported deal. I'm not sure what people mean by future picks because some places are saying NOP got #24 but that's not really a "future" pick since the Bucks can't make the deal official until draft day due to the Stepien Rule.

I would certainly hope there is a lot of protection though. Now that I think about it, you're probably right. Holiday is not the type of guy you trade unprotected picks for, I would hope. He's certainly better than Bledsoe, but I'm not sure Holiday + Frank Mason is better than Bledsoe + Hill next year.

My hope is it is #24, '23 and '25 with lottery protections where it will roll forward a couple years but then turn into second rounders or just even dissolve, which is unlikely but possible and done before.

[coolhandluke121]

Ladies and Gents, this is what all in looks like. Now use that MLE to nab Gallo and ring chase out the rest of the roster.

Not sure how they get 3 good back-ups (combo guard, combo forward, big man) with minimum contracts and the MLE. I understand shortening the rotation and quality over quantity, but you still need 7-8 reliable guys for the playoffs, not just 5. Gallo eats up the whole MLE.

[coolhandluke121]

My hope is it is #24, '23 and '25 with lottery protections where it will roll forward a couple years but then turn into second rounders or just even dissolve, which is unlikely but possible and done before.

Yes, have protections just in case Giannis gets hurt or the whole supporting cast gets old and useless at the same time. Then just hope you're good for 5 years and the protections don't kick in so it's just picks in the 20's in 2023 and 2025. That's the best-case scenario. I am still supremely worried about that '25 pick though. Personally I think Bledsoe, Hill, and #24 should have been enough. The news that there was a bidding war supports my initial reaction that this was a very steep price.

[HaroldinGMinor]

Ladies and Gents, this is what all in looks like. Now use that MLE to nab Gallo and ring chase out the rest of the roster.

You missed an N. It's GALLON, TINY

[coolhandluke121]

We made this trade to keep our Shaq/Lebron type. If Giannis signs, those picks are going to be worthless because the Bucks are likely to be competitive.

Absolutely no reason to think this core is still effective in '25, which is the earliest the last pick can convey by the Stepien Rule. Giannis could easily ask for a trade after Brook, Khris, and Jrue pass their primes, and the Bucks would be in a tough spot. With those pick swaps as well, this could be an absolute coup for the Pelicans. Extending Giannis HAS to be part of the deal to make this an acceptable trade.

[M-C-G]

Ladies and Gents, this is what all in looks like. Now use that MLE to nab Gallo and ring chase out the rest of the roster.

Not sure how they get 3 good back-ups (combo guard, combo forward, big man) with minimum contracts and the MLE. I understand shortening the rotation and quality over quantity, but you still need 7-8 reliable guys for the playoffs, not just 5. Gallo eats up the whole MLE.

I am kind of hoping a bunch of vets come ring chasing based on the moves we made so far. I'd also try to lure Marvin Williams back as well.

I also think the market is fairly flooded with bench talent and might be a lot of players looking for a one year deal and retest the market next year.

[LikeABosh]

We made this trade to keep our Shaq/Lebron type. If Giannis signs, those picks are going to be worthless because the Bucks are likely to be competitive.

And those pick swaps are a whole lotta nothing. When should we ever expect the Pelicans to finish significantly higher in the standings than the Bucks? It should be awhile before that ever happens

[SirChurros]

We made this trade to keep our Shaq/Lebron type. If Giannis signs, those picks are going to be worthless because the Bucks are likely to be competitive.

Absolutely no reason to think this core is still effective in '25, which is the earliest the last pick can convey by the Stepien Rule. Giannis could easily ask for a trade after Brook, Khris, and Jrue pass their primes, and the Bucks would be in a tough spot. With those pick swaps as well, this could be an absolute coup for the Pelicans. Extending Giannis HAS to be part of the deal to make this an acceptable trade.

It's worth it if you win a title. And winning a title allows you to become flexible.

[leroyjw10]

We made this trade to keep our Shaq/Lebron type. If Giannis signs, those picks are going to be worthless because the Bucks are likely to be competitive.

And those pick swaps are a whole lotta nothing. When should we ever expect the Pelicans to finish significantly higher in the standings than the Bucks? It should be awhile before that ever happens

The whole "pick swaps" thing is just a PR move. Makes it look better than it is.

[worthlessBucks]

We made this trade to keep our Shaq/Lebron type. If Giannis signs, those picks are going to be worthless because the Bucks are likely to be competitive.

Absolutely no reason to think this core is still effective in '25, which is the earliest the last pick can convey by the Stepien Rule. Giannis could easily ask for a trade after Brook, Khris, and Jrue pass their primes, and the Bucks would be in a tough spot. With those pick swaps as well, this could be an absolute coup for the Pelicans. Extending Giannis HAS to be part of the deal to make this an acceptable trade.

We call this reality.

[vtime]

Ladies and Gents, this is what all in looks like. Now use that MLE to nab Gallo and ring chase out the rest of the roster.

Not sure how they get 3 good back-ups (combo guard, combo forward, big man) with minimum contracts and the MLE. I understand shortening the rotation and quality over quantity, but you still need 7-8 reliable guys for the playoffs, not just 5. Gallo eats up the whole MLE.

Buyout market after the trade deadline should yield a couple guys. I’m not against moving Lopez for a couple of rotation guys either, Giannis is best used at the 5 anyway.

[tski1972]

Remember when we traded four 2nd round picks for playoff Mirotic?

That turned out well.

[glenn]

I’ve always loved Jrue and am happy to get him. The volume of draft compensation is brutal, but if the reports are true that there was a bidding war with Philly and Boston then part of what you’re paying for is keeping him away from your rivals. Just hope Giannis signs soon so I can unclench.