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Please no to Gallinari.
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I've never wanted to punch someone in the face so badly. Really hoping to run into him at a game one day. I won't hesitate.
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twix2500 wrote:Continue from the other trend............
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Ok, I just got some clarity what is going on. Heat are likely actively trying to obtain access to first round draft picks to trade. The reason they are willing to do a sign and trade is to trade post 2024 first rounder. Gallinari and OKC S&T may be an option to do so.
Also looking to move back of the 1st for a second round pick and then completely out of the first for a future first to trade post 2022 draft picks.
They appear have a template on what they need to have to complete a trade for a whale. Well hunting is going to be via trade. They must have a specific player and team they are working with and targeting.
Let me clarify the purpose of the S&T for Gallinari option. OKC will agree to sign and trade Gallinari in return the Heat will unprotect the 2023 draft pick OKC owns from the Heat. That would be the bases of the move, not sure other moving parts will be involved. By doing so this allows the 2025 first round pick to be used in a future trade. Currently 2023 lottery protection blocks the 2025 first round pick from being used in a trade. So again this "Unlocks" a draft pick to be used in a trade now.
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Gallinari is not a great idea. This is pretty depressing.
If Covington is available, he is a much better option.
If Covington is available, he is a much better option.

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twix2500 wrote:twix2500 wrote:Continue from the other trend............
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Ok, I just got some clarity what is going on. Heat are likely actively trying to obtain access to first round draft picks to trade. The reason they are willing to do a sign and trade is to trade post 2024 first rounder. Gallinari and OKC S&T may be an option to do so.
Also looking to move back of the 1st for a second round pick and then completely out of the first for a future first to trade post 2022 draft picks.
They appear have a template on what they need to have to complete a trade for a whale. Well hunting is going to be via trade. They must have a specific player and team they are working with and targeting.
Let me clarify the purpose of the S&T for Gallinari option. OKC will agree to sign and trade Gallinari in return the Heat will unprotect the 2023 draft pick OKC owns from the Heat. That would be the bases of the move, not sure other moving parts will be involved. By doing so this allows the 2025 first round pick to be used in a future trade. Currently 2023 lottery protection blocks the 2025 first round pick from being used in a trade. So again this "Unlocks" a draft pick to be used in a trade now.
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I can not imagine Heat making these moves without a concrete agreement with someone.
Player development era is over.... Veterans are being added.
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lets see what happens after the dust settles down.another big would be great but the heat needs a scorer than can get hot when needed either on or off the bench. a consistent one at that,maybe herro is that scorer but that is something still ahead in my opinion. again, time will telltwix2500 wrote:twix2500 wrote:twix2500 wrote:Continue from the other trend............
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Ok, I just got some clarity what is going on. Heat are likely actively trying to obtain access to first round draft picks to trade. The reason they are willing to do a sign and trade is to trade post 2024 first rounder. Gallinari and OKC S&T may be an option to do so.
Also looking to move back of the 1st for a second round pick and then completely out of the first for a future first to trade post 2022 draft picks.
They appear have a template on what they need to have to complete a trade for a whale. Well hunting is going to be via trade. They must have a specific player and team they are working with and targeting.
Let me clarify the purpose of the S&T for Gallinari option. OKC will agree to sign and trade Gallinari in return the Heat will unprotect the 2023 draft pick OKC owns from the Heat. That would be the bases of the move, not sure other moving parts will be involved. By doing so this allows the 2025 first round pick to be used in a future trade. Currently 2023 lottery protection blocks the 2025 first round pick from being used in a trade. So again this "Unlocks" a draft pick to be used in a trade now.
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I can not imagine Heat making these moves without a concrete agreement with someone.
Player development era is over.... Veterans are being added.
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At this juncture, I believe the most viable path is to make as much improvement as possible without blowing our load or sacrificing flexibility. We want to improve the team for this upcoming season, while maintaining our key assets and either preserving cap space or holding solid tradeable contracts.
My proposal:
(1) Trade Nunn+Olynyk+pick #20 for Oladipo
(2) Sign Christian Wood at a reasonable price (anything $15M and under is good value IMO)
(3) Re-sign Goran
That gives us a lineup with a real chance to take a step up from last year and little downside in terms of commitment:
Oladipo - Dragic
Butler - Herro
Robinson - Butler/Iggy
Wood - KZ
Bam - Wood
This gives us an upgrade while still maintaining a lot of flexibility. Oladipo will be further recovered physically from injury and you have to imagine he can get back to his true athleticism. If we can have an elite guard defender with ability to operate as a primary or secondary ballhandler, run the pick and roll, slash and create some of his own offense, and hit the spot up 3, then that's a beautiful thing. He'll be on the last year of his current contract, so he'll be in prove it mode. We can get a level of impact guard play comparable to that of Jrue Holiday while having the option as to if we want to bring him back after this season.
Wood would have to be a multi-year deal, but I honestly see him as one of the most undervalued free agents available right now.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/11/11/21559421/the-nbas-next-star-big-man-may-be-hiding-in-plain-sight-on-the-free-agent-market
He's a near perfect fit next to Bam. He adds length and versatility that we need while still providing spacing with a strong 3-ball, and can also function in the pick & roll and as a rim runner. He is improving defensively and has the ability to survive switching on the perimeter or protecting the rim. I truly believe that so long as Wood keeps his head on straight he will be a value contract that we will either feel compelled to keep because he is playing at such a good level or will be an enticing trade asset for any move.
This would leave us in a position to enter next season with an upgraded roster with upside to develop (covers a lot of our weaknesses from last year) and leave us in a position to be armed to strike should a disgruntled superstar become available.
My proposal:
(1) Trade Nunn+Olynyk+pick #20 for Oladipo
(2) Sign Christian Wood at a reasonable price (anything $15M and under is good value IMO)
(3) Re-sign Goran
That gives us a lineup with a real chance to take a step up from last year and little downside in terms of commitment:
Oladipo - Dragic
Butler - Herro
Robinson - Butler/Iggy
Wood - KZ
Bam - Wood
This gives us an upgrade while still maintaining a lot of flexibility. Oladipo will be further recovered physically from injury and you have to imagine he can get back to his true athleticism. If we can have an elite guard defender with ability to operate as a primary or secondary ballhandler, run the pick and roll, slash and create some of his own offense, and hit the spot up 3, then that's a beautiful thing. He'll be on the last year of his current contract, so he'll be in prove it mode. We can get a level of impact guard play comparable to that of Jrue Holiday while having the option as to if we want to bring him back after this season.
Wood would have to be a multi-year deal, but I honestly see him as one of the most undervalued free agents available right now.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2020/11/11/21559421/the-nbas-next-star-big-man-may-be-hiding-in-plain-sight-on-the-free-agent-market
According to NBA.com, Wood had 123 dunk attempts this season, ranking him 13th in the league. The only players ahead of him who also attempted more 3s were Giannis Antetokounmpo and Anthony Davis. Antetokounmpo and Davis, however, combined to shoot 31.5 percent from 3-point range compared to 38.6 percent for Wood.
He's a near perfect fit next to Bam. He adds length and versatility that we need while still providing spacing with a strong 3-ball, and can also function in the pick & roll and as a rim runner. He is improving defensively and has the ability to survive switching on the perimeter or protecting the rim. I truly believe that so long as Wood keeps his head on straight he will be a value contract that we will either feel compelled to keep because he is playing at such a good level or will be an enticing trade asset for any move.
This would leave us in a position to enter next season with an upgraded roster with upside to develop (covers a lot of our weaknesses from last year) and leave us in a position to be armed to strike should a disgruntled superstar become available.
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twix2500 wrote:twix2500 wrote:twix2500 wrote:Continue from the other trend............Spoiler:
Ok, I just got some clarity what is going on. Heat are likely actively trying to obtain access to first round draft picks to trade. The reason they are willing to do a sign and trade is to trade post 2024 first rounder. Gallinari and OKC S&T may be an option to do so.
Also looking to move back of the 1st for a second round pick and then completely out of the first for a future first to trade post 2022 draft picks.
They appear have a template on what they need to have to complete a trade for a whale. Well hunting is going to be via trade. They must have a specific player and team they are working with and targeting.
Let me clarify the purpose of the S&T for Gallinari option. OKC will agree to sign and trade Gallinari in return the Heat will unprotect the 2023 draft pick OKC owns from the Heat. That would be the bases of the move, not sure other moving parts will be involved. By doing so this allows the 2025 first round pick to be used in a future trade. Currently 2023 lottery protection blocks the 2025 first round pick from being used in a trade. So again this "Unlocks" a draft pick to be used in a trade now.Spoiler:
Here is an overview of the Miami Heat’s pick scenario for the next seven drafts:
2020: One first round pick; no second round picks
2021: No first round picks; no second round picks. Currently owned by Pheonix no protection
2022: One first round pick; one second round pick
2023: No first round picks; no second round picks. Lottery Protected Owned by OKC
2024: One first round pick; one second round pick (31-50 only)
2025: One first round pick; no second round picks
2026: One first round pick; no second round picks
All these picks are locked from being traded except for 2026. Miami may be able to unlock two of these picks to be used in a trade with shrewed smart draft day moves and S&T moves.
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twix2500 wrote:twix2500 wrote:twix2500 wrote:Continue from the other trend............
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Ok, I just got some clarity what is going on. Heat are likely actively trying to obtain access to first round draft picks to trade. The reason they are willing to do a sign and trade is to trade post 2024 first rounder. Gallinari and OKC S&T may be an option to do so.
Also looking to move back of the 1st for a second round pick and then completely out of the first for a future first to trade post 2022 draft picks.
They appear have a template on what they need to have to complete a trade for a whale. Well hunting is going to be via trade. They must have a specific player and team they are working with and targeting.
Let me clarify the purpose of the S&T for Gallinari option. OKC will agree to sign and trade Gallinari in return the Heat will unprotect the 2023 draft pick OKC owns from the Heat. That would be the bases of the move, not sure other moving parts will be involved. By doing so this allows the 2025 first round pick to be used in a future trade. Currently 2023 lottery protection blocks the 2025 first round pick from being used in a trade. So again this "Unlocks" a draft pick to be used in a trade now.
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I can not imagine Heat making these moves without a concrete agreement with someone.
Player development era is over.... Veterans are being added.
That additional second-round pick allows Miami to use the Trade Player Exception we have in the amount of $7,533,867.
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gom wrote:Gallinari is not a great idea. This is pretty depressing.
If Covington is available, he is a much better option.
How many first-round picks do you think will be enough to acquire De'Aaron Fox from Sacramento using our Trade Exception?
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JLop wrote:gom wrote:Gallinari is not a great idea. This is pretty depressing.
If Covington is available, he is a much better option.
How many first-round picks do you think will be enough to acquire De'Aaron Fox from Sacramento using our Trade Exception?
Fox is probably 3 FRP and two swaps and not worth it. He is the cornerstone of the franchise at this point, good on offense, great on defense. You can probably have Hield for much less.

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gom wrote:Gallinari is not a great idea. This is pretty depressing.
If Covington is available, he is a much better option.
The newly minted Blazers version of RoCo?
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gom wrote:Gallinari is not a great idea. This is pretty depressing.
If Covington is available, he is a much better option.
He's already traded
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I think the Heat are trying to get in the race for Harden..........
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gom wrote:JLop wrote:gom wrote:Gallinari is not a great idea. This is pretty depressing.
If Covington is available, he is a much better option.
How many first-round picks do you think will be enough to acquire De'Aaron Fox from Sacramento using our Trade Exception?
Fox is probably 3 FRP and two swaps and not worth it. He is the cornerstone of the franchise at this point, good on offense, great on defense. You can probably have Hield for much less.
Buddy Hield is 27 years old with a salary of $24,431,818, while De'Aaron Fox is 22 years old and earns $8,099,627 with a hold of $10,740,105 for 2021.
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What kind of deals could we make if we acquired Buddy Heild? Whats does the cap look like after and what else could we do?
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Cmon_Son-_- wrote:What kind of deals could we make if we acquired Buddy Heild? Whats does the cap look like after and what else could we do?
If we just keep Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson and add the salaries of Jimmy Butler and Adebayo, we are about $2,123,889 short of a maximum salary.
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So presuming Giannis is off the table, I'ma revisit the Rudy Gobert idea. Say we do acquire Gallo, a Bam/Gobert/Gallo big rotation could be something to consider. 96 mins between the 3 of them (32 a piece, can lowkey load manage Gallo during the RS); we could mix and match lineups from series to series depending on our opponent. For the Bam/Gobert mins together Spo can just ensure both DRob and Herro (and Nunn if he's not traded) are on the floor together, perhaps use those mins to rest Yimmy. It just gives us a ton of versatility and much more margin of error to cover for some of our defensive holes, suddenly the idea of replacing guys like Iggy and DJJ with one-dimensional shooters is a lot less worrisome for us defensively. And the idea of having both Bam and Gobert to defend the paint vs Giannis and AD/LeBron... I feel pretty good about that
Bigs: Bam/Gobert/Gallo
Wings: Yimmy/DRob/Crowder/Matthews?
Smalls: Herro/Gogi/Nunn?/Quickley?
Still wouldn't have the prototypical go-to superstar volume scorer, but Yimmy's probably the next best thing and there's quite a few guys there who can go for 25+ on any given night. And while we likely wouldn't be a top 5 offense type of team, that defense would be murderous
Bigs: Bam/Gobert/Gallo
Wings: Yimmy/DRob/Crowder/Matthews?
Smalls: Herro/Gogi/Nunn?/Quickley?
Still wouldn't have the prototypical go-to superstar volume scorer, but Yimmy's probably the next best thing and there's quite a few guys there who can go for 25+ on any given night. And while we likely wouldn't be a top 5 offense type of team, that defense would be murderous
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JLop wrote:Cmon_Son-_- wrote:What kind of deals could we make if we acquired Buddy Heild? Whats does the cap look like after and what else could we do?
If we just keep Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson and add the salaries of Jimmy Butler and Adebayo, we are about $2,123,889 short of a maximum salary.
In that case this scenario isnt bad. I really think Heild could make a huge leap in the offense. If we're able to add another Max or near max player it'll at least give us some type of best of both worlds of compete now and later. The only thing is the Max or near max player may not be a superstar.
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BenoUdrihFTL wrote:So presuming Giannis is off the table, I'ma revisit the Rudy Gobert idea. Say we do acquire Gallo, a Bam/Gobert/Gallo big rotation could be something to consider. 96 mins between the 3 of them (32 a piece, can lowkey load manage Gallo during the RS); we could mix and match lineups from series to series depending on our opponent. For the Bam/Gobert mins together Spo can just ensure both DRob and Herro (and Nunn if he's not traded) are on the floor together, perhaps use those mins to rest Yimmy. It just gives us a ton of versatility and much more margin of error to cover for some of our defensive holes, suddenly the idea of replacing guys like Iggy and DJJ with one-dimensional shooters is a lot less worrisome for us defensively. And the idea of having both Bam and Gobert to defend the paint vs Giannis and AD/LeBron... I feel pretty good about that
Bigs: Bam/Gobert/Gallo
Wings: Yimmy/DRob/Crowder/Matthews?
Smalls: Herro/Gogi/Nunn?/Quickley?
Still wouldn't have the prototypical go-to superstar volume scorer, but Yimmy's probably the next best thing and there's quite a few guys there who can go for 25+ on any given night. And while we likely wouldn't be a top 5 offense type of team, that defense would be murderous
Today I mentioned the idea of also signing Rudy Gobert, but if we do, we trade Adebayo for a player like Beal or whoever is available.
Gobert/Gallo/Butler/Beal/Herro
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Cmon_Son-_- wrote:JLop wrote:Cmon_Son-_- wrote:What kind of deals could we make if we acquired Buddy Heild? Whats does the cap look like after and what else could we do?
If we just keep Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson and add the salaries of Jimmy Butler and Adebayo, we are about $2,123,889 short of a maximum salary.
In that case this scenario isnt bad. I really think Heild could make a huge leap in the offense. If we're able to add another Max or near max player it'll at least give us some type of best of both worlds of compete now and later. The only thing is the Max or near max player may not be a superstar.
Have you ever seen Gom with bad ideas? Our options are too many to panic. If Gordon Hayward is interested in leaving the Celtics and opts out this season, the Heat can frontload the deal plus a player option or Miami can offer the largest signing bonus allowed to sign Gordon Hayward along the lines of four-years, $90 million. Personally, I like Gordon better for this team.








