Random Rumors and Trade Board General Thoughts Thread

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #881 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:50 pm

zimpy27 wrote:Which lineup is better?

Jrue, Bogdan, Middleton, Giannis, BroLo

VS

Schroeder, KCP, LeBron, Davis, Cousins

Look like lakers playing 4 on 5 if we counting on cousins.

I probably lean Bucks. Lakers might end up with a better bench than them.

nolang1 · Post #882 » by **nolang1** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:55 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I don't think he plays elite defense. I think Giannis (and BroLo) made a lot of role players advanced stats look really good. It's part of why certain posters have such a disconnect on Eric Bledsoe who has been totally exposed against teams that scheme the Bucks.

I don't want to trash the guy. I'd love to have him in Dallas. But I think this is a significant upgrade for the Bucks and I don't see him going to the Kings and becoming a 34 mpg starter. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong, but I'm having a great off-season on some positions I held and took a bunch of flack on so I'm feeling confident and getting my shots up.

He had the best on/off net rating of any of the Bucks' other rotation players did in minutes played without Giannis (+9.7 when the next highest was around +5). His three-point shot improved from last year, and if it continues to he'll be a very high-end role player who would definitely make Hield expendable. RAPM has a lot of noise, but when a second-year player is sitting there at #7 there's at least something to it.

In giving up Divincenzo, the Bucks paid a premium for a better shooter alongside Giannis and an older player who fits their timeline; that's probably why they asked for Justin James in return because they need some playable minimum contract players to fill out the roster.

Post #883 » by **Texas Chuck** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:57 pm

nolang1 wrote: they asked for Justin James in return because they need some playable minimum contract players to fill out the roster.

I'm guessing this was a Kings insistence rather than a Bucks ask. They won't have an issue attracting min contract guys to that team and the Kings probably didn't want to pay money to cut more players and otherwise it was a 3 for 1 with 2 of the 3 guys having no value to them.

ThatBoyNick · Post #884 » by **ThatBoyNick** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:00 pm

What did the Cavs do with their pick regarding the bucks?

LuessiT · Post #885 » by **LuessiT** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:02 pm

ThatBoyNick wrote:What did the Cavs do with their pick regarding the bucks?

Lifted protections (so it's unprotected in 2022) and swapped #42 for a future IND 2nd.

Post #886 » by **loserX** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:17 pm

ThatBoyNick wrote:What did the Cavs do with their pick regarding the bucks?

The Bucks needed that pick they owe Cleveland unprotected, otherwise the Stepien rule would have hamstrung the deal with New Orleans.

So not only did Cleveland get the Bucks' pick unprotected, they made Milwaukee give up a swap of 2nds for the privilege.

Post #887 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:20 pm

loserX wrote:
ThatBoyNick wrote:What did the Cavs do with their pick regarding the bucks?

The Bucks needed that pick they owe Cleveland unprotected, otherwise the Stepien rule would have hamstrung the deal with New Orleans.

So not only did Cleveland get the Bucks' pick unprotected, they made Milwaukee give up a swap of 2nds for the privilege.

Here was the old protection:

2022 first round draft pick from Milwaukee
Milwaukee's 1st round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 1-10 in 2022, 1-10 and 25-30 in 2023 and 1-8 in 2024; if Milwaukee has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Cleveland by 2024, then Milwaukee will instead convey its 2024 2nd round pick and 2025 2nd round pick to Cleveland

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

Here is what Milwaukee paid to NOP:

Read on Twitter

I'm seeing 2023 not included in that list, so I wonder if the Cleveland pick isn't some version of '22 protected still, if not '23 etc.

Post #888 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:56 pm

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Post #889 » by **Texas Chuck** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:57 pm

Did not see that coming. Putting in a call that Hood has an offer from the Hawks on the table right now that make this worth it.

Post #890 » by **loserX** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:59 pm

Yeah, another surprise. I'm guessing this is another totally-not-tampering deal, the RoLo special.

Post #891 » by **jbk1234** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:59 pm

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Post #892 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:00 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Did not see that coming. Putting in a call that Hood has an offer from the Hawks on the table right now that make this worth it.

Strikes me as very ill-advised otherwise. Dude hasn't played in a long time.

Also puts the Covington trade into more context too.

Jordan Syndrome · Post #893 » by **Jordan Syndrome** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:00 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Did not see that coming. Putting in a call that Hood has an offer from the Hawks on the table right now that make this worth it.

Do you think he gets more than the MLE?

Jordan Syndrome · Post #894 » by **Jordan Syndrome** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:01 pm

jbk1234 wrote:

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He had the picks for Jrue. Ainge is becoming a walking joke with all of these "Missed trades".

Post #895 » by **Texas Chuck** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:03 pm

Jordan Syndrome wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Did not see that coming. Putting in a call that Hood has an offer from the Hawks on the table right now that make this worth it.

Do you think he gets more than the MLE?

No. But Atlanta could give him 1/$8M or something where its a profit and they can promise him X minutes towards re-building his value. Atlanta needs vet wings but according to their fans here paying anything close to starter money is off the table so this gets them a vet to mix in for a price they can live with.

Again just speculating.

Post #896 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:04 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

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My Crow list so far:

Chris Paul went for way more than expected.
Rodney Hood opts out.

Resistance · Post #897 » by **Resistance** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:14 pm

jbk1234 wrote:

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Ainge needs to recognize that things have changed and he will have to change.

Post #898 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:15 pm

I would be worried about Boston's chemistry; but it has never been an issue before.

Post #899 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:16 pm

Ironically Ainge was likely trying to get Milwaukee to take Kemba so he could pursue Holiday. Oops.

OutsidetheNBA · Post #900 » by **OutsidetheNBA** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:20 pm

I was skeptical that Hood could contribute much to the Blazers this year coming off an Achilles injury, but Hood opting out hurts the Blazers' flexibility.

If the Blazers were planning going to go all-in and try to get another good piece by trading a future 1st + #46/Simons/Little, Hood's salary would have been helpful to bring back a mid-sized salary.

Much harder to get Oubre/Gallinari/etc now without giving up someone of real value.

Herzonja, Little, Simons, Collins make $12 million all together. Removing Collins, it's only $6.5 million. And, at least as of now, we're relying on Collins to play serious minutes this year.