Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[StepBackCrack]

Bucks also sign and trade for Bogdonavic out of Sacramento. Give up DiVincenzo.

I think they overpaid like crazy for Holiday, but hey, they're at least committed to their star and are doing whatever it takes to get him more help. I think Giannis re-signs now.

Bucks are looking ridiculous right now.

Nets imo need Harden to compete with this new Bucks. Not sure Ibaka is enough honestly and we never know how KD will look. I hope the Nets swing for the fences for Harden. They will have a 3/4 year window with Harden there. It's a no brainer for me.

[MrDollarBills]

Bucks also sign and trade for Bogdonavic out of Sacramento. Give up DiVincenzo.

I think they overpaid like crazy for Holiday, but hey, they're at least committed to their star and are doing whatever it takes to get him more help. I think Giannis re-signs now.

Bucks are looking ridiculous right now.

Nets imo need Harden to compete with this new Bucks. Not sure Ibaka is enough honestly and we never know how KD will look. I hope the Nets swing for the fences for Harden. They will have a 3/4 year window with Harden there. It's a no brainer for me.

Lopez/Giannis/Middleton/Bogdanovic/Holiday is an elite starting unit.

The Nets will need to go big here. If we can't get Harden here after all of this, I don't know what to say. This off-season will be a failure since we let the Bucks get the one up on us.

I'm really pissed that the Blazers got Covington for that package.

[therealbig3]

I mean, I don't think I would have been cool with giving up 3 picks and 2 pick swaps for Jrue Holiday, don't think anyone was going to beat Milwaukee's offer...they were desperate, because they can't afford to lose Giannis.

[JoseRizal]

I'm really pissed that the Blazers got Covington for that package.

On the other hand it gets you thinking, why the heck would Houston trade him if it meant that they still intend to compete with Harden?

[TheNetsFan]

Bucks also sign and trade for Bogdonavic out of Sacramento. Give up DiVincenzo.

I think they overpaid like crazy for Holiday, but hey, they're at least committed to their star and are doing whatever it takes to get him more help. I think Giannis re-signs now.

Bucks are looking ridiculous right now.

Nets imo need Harden to compete with this new Bucks. Not sure Ibaka is enough honestly and we never know how KD will look. I hope the Nets swing for the fences for Harden. They will have a 3/4 year window with Harden there. It's a no brainer for me.

Lopez/Giannis/Middleton/Bogdanovic/Holiday is an elite starting unit.

The Nets will need to go big here. If we can't get Harden here after all of this, I don't know what to say. This off-season will be a failure since we let the Bucks get the one up on us.

I'm really pissed that the Blazers got Covington for that package.

It's also a hard capped starting unit that can do nothing but at minimums to the rest of the roster. I still think that lineup lacks a true crunch time go to scorer. I think that's a huge playoff concern.

[Claud]

Bucks got slightly better at a very steep price. Meh not impressed.

I think our team as is even without Harden can still take them out.

I hope Marks doesn't panic.

If we can get Harden we should go for it but no reason to give up so many picks considering our window will be 2-3 years with this core. I think we can give them a competitive offer but don't have to blow the whole farm for it since he only wants to come play for us.

[drchaos]

As much as I like our current players I am happy to see some of them go if Harden is coming back.

Hoping Rodi, Claxton, TLC, and some of our better contracts aren't sacrificed in the upcoming trade.

[Prokorov]

Bucks got slightly better at a very steep price. Meh not impressed.

I think our team as is even without Harden can still take them out.

I hope Marks doesn't panic.

If we can get Harden we should go for it but no reason to give up so many picks considering our window will be 2-3 years with this core. I think we can give them a competitive offer but don't have to blow the whole farm for it since he only wants to come play for us.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong or their opinions are not valid. what i am struggling with is the thinking that:

Levert/Dinwiddie/Allen + 3 picks = ok

but

Levert/Dinwiddie/Allen + 5 = too much

Like 2 picks in the middle of 2 future drafts is really the differnce between pulling the trigger on harden or not? Especially when you consider 3 of those picks are really low value?

#19 this year is not a great asset.
The pick swap in 2021 is likely not to convey (that pick would be base on this years record). i
The pick swap in 2023 might convery but the pick we get from houston would probably be similar

I could understand if we had some elite pick owed to us from an awful team or some under 24 young stud we didnt want to move but we are talking about role guys, rentals, non-lotto picks, and pick swaps not likely to convey

[NyCeEvO]

Bucks also sign and trade for Bogdonavic out of Sacramento. Give up DiVincenzo.

I think they overpaid like crazy for Holiday, but hey, they're at least committed to their star and are doing whatever it takes to get him more help. I think Giannis re-signs now.

Bucks are looking ridiculous right now.

If I were Giannis, I'd need Jrue to re-sign in order to take the super-max now. I don't like that Giannis had to basically threaten them in order for bigger moves to be made. If he takes the super-max now, the Bucks still don't win, and then Jrue leaves, what incentive does management have to continue to improve the team?

[Paradise]

This is worse than the Boston trade. They were Atleast HOF players. What the hell is this!?

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[Prokorov]

I mean, I don't think I would have been cool with giving up 3 picks and 2 pick swaps for Jrue Holiday, don't think anyone was going to beat Milwaukee's offer...they were desperate, because they can't afford to lose Giannis.

I think people (Rightfully so) have PTSD on the 5-pick package. If you look at the history of those, more often then not the swaps dont convey and the majority are non-lotto. Lets dive even deeper into each.

2020: #19 picked guaranteed. Maybe they draft well and get a role starter. its still not a great asset. Teams will likely be able to buy picks in the 16-24 range of this draft

2021 (SWAP): This pick is based on this seasons record. Even if KD doesnt recover, Kyrie misses time and the trio is a bust the rockets just gutted their team. we would out-win them and this Swap would not convey. If it did convey it would mean something enormously catastrophic like Kyrie retiring abrubtly, harden career injury and KD being 50% post injury ALL happening

2022: Base on the year 2 record for the new Trio. Again even if KD/Kyrie are 50% of themselves, it blows up, maybe one or 2 are dealt its enough talent with even 1 of them to win 35-45 games and convey a pick in the 15-25 area. this is not a great pick

2023: The second of the swaps; this one more likely to convey. Houston would be in year 3 of their rebuild. Typically year 3 a rebuilding team may have found some talent in the high lotto, but Houston traded all their own picks so even if they suck they wont benefit. maybe they hit gold on their late picks via trade or signed someone good with their cap. even if that did happen AND the nets imploded and decided on their own rebuild, the nets are probably looking at swapping #5 for #11 not #1 for #25.

2024: The best shot for Houston of a good pick. maybe its top 3. maybe its high lotto. in either event any trade with the rockets would likely include this pick. so whether its 1 pick of 5, 2024 or 2023 is likely in. its also the pick marks is most likely to add top 3 or top 5 protection too

in the end houston probably ends up with 4 picks, not 5, with half or more of those outside the lottery and likely all but 1 or may be all of them outside the top 5.

[Prokorov]

This is worse than the Boston trade. They were Atleast HOF players. What the hell is this!?

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"Hall of fame" players is deceiving. KG/Pierce were on their last legs. especially KG (who didnt even play back to backs). Jrue is still in his prime. Doing all you can to try and get Giannis to resign factors in as well. if it gets Giannis to sign, its worth the overpay... and if Giannis stays the bucks are a 50-win floor for the next 4 years meaning 2 of those swaps dont happen and the the other 2 picks are in the 20s.

its a gamble, one that hinges on Giannis. if you a place like milwaukee you will never get a star FA like giannis to come. so if you have him, going all in to keep him is a good gamble even if ti slike 75% he still leaves

[Claud]

Bucks got slightly better at a very steep price. Meh not impressed.

I think our team as is even without Harden can still take them out.

I hope Marks doesn't panic.

If we can get Harden we should go for it but no reason to give up so many picks considering our window will be 2-3 years with this core. I think we can give them a competitive offer but don't have to blow the whole farm for it since he only wants to come play for us.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong or their opinions are not valid. what i am struggling with is the thinking that:

Levert/Dinwiddie/Allen + 3 picks = ok

but

Levert/Dinwiddie/Allen + 5 = too much

Like 2 picks in the middle of 2 future drafts is really the differnce between pulling the trigger on harden or not? Especially when you consider 3 of those picks are really low value?

#19 this year is not a great asset.
The pick swap in 2021 is likely not to convey (that pick would be base on this years record). i
The pick swap in 2023 might convery but the pick we get from houston would probably be similar

I could understand if we had some elite pick owed to us from an awful team or some under 24 young stud we didnt want to move but we are talking about role guys, rentals, non-lotto picks, and pick swaps not likely to convey

5 picks is fine in my eyes. I was thinking more in lines of how the Bucks gave up their unprotected 2025 and 2027 picks... like that is so far into the future and can cripple a franchise(we've been down that road.)

I would prefer the picks we give up(as many as we need to) be limited to no further than 2024 which is around the time our championship window would be closing.

Dinwiddie + Fro + Prince + LeVert + picks for Harden who has 2 years left is more than fair I just hope we can avoid giving up unprotected picks that might bite us in the ass like the Boston deal.

Either way if it comes down to it, I'd risk it for Harden. Harden is in his prime unlike KG/Pierce/Jet.

KD + Harden are two MVP level players in their primes. We would have a great shot at winning it all during the next 2-3 years. It's definately worth it for a chip. This is our time.

I am a HUGE Levert and Fro believer but when a situation to acquire a HOF level presents itself you must get it done. It does not happen often.

[TheNetsFan]

I mean, I don't think I would have been cool with giving up 3 picks and 2 pick swaps for Jrue Holiday, don't think anyone was going to beat Milwaukee's offer...they were desperate, because they can't afford to lose Giannis.

I think people (Rightfully so) have PTSD on the 5-pick package. If you look at the history of those, more often then not the swaps dont convey and the majority are non-lotto. Lets dive even deeper into each.

2020: #19 picked guaranteed. Maybe they draft well and get a role starter. its still not a great asset. Teams will likely be able to buy picks in the 16-24 range of this draft

2021 (SWAP): This pick is based on this seasons record. Even if KD doesnt recover, Kyrie misses time and the trio is a bust the rockets just gutted their team. we would out-win them and this Swap would not convey. If it did convey it would mean something enormously catastrophic like Kyrie retiring abrubtly, harden career injury and KD being 50% post injury ALL happening

2022: Base on the year 2 record for the new Trio. Again even if KD/Kyrie are 50% of themselves, it blows up, maybe one or 2 are dealt its enough talent with even 1 of them to win 35-45 games and convey a pick in the 15-25 area. this is not a great pick

2023: The second of the swaps; this one more likely to convey. Houston would be in year 3 of their rebuild. Typically year 3 a rebuilding team may have found some talent in the high lotto, but Houston traded all their own picks so even if they suck they wont benefit. maybe they hit gold on their late picks via trade or signed someone good with their cap. even if that did happen AND the nets imploded and decided on their own rebuild, the nets are probably looking at swapping #5 for #11 not #1 for #25.

2024: The best shot for Houston of a good pick. maybe its top 3. maybe its high lotto. in either event any trade with the rockets would likely include this pick. so whether its 1 pick of 5, 2024 or 2023 is likely in. its also the pick marks is most likely to add top 3 or top 5 protection too

in the end houston probably ends up with 4 picks, not 5, with half or more of those outside the lottery and likely all but 1 or may be all of them outside the top 5.

Houston already has a pending swap in 2021 (worst of HOU/OKC/MIA), so that's likely Miami's pick. That being said, I still wouldn't expect a lot of movement.

[MrDollarBills]

This is worse than the Boston trade. They were Atleast HOF players. What the hell is this!?

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The market was set last summer by the George and Westbrook trades. Even Covington netted two firsts. 4 years ago that price would have been unheard. Not anymore.

This is the buy in now: 4-5 picks at minimum for talent.

However, the lack of protections on those picks is alarming for Milwaukee, for several reasons. Holiday can walk, and Giannis could bounce to Miami next summer. If that happens, good lord.

I feel comfortable with trading 4-5 picks given our situation and the contracts.

[Paradise]

This is worse than the Boston trade. They were Atleast HOF players. What the hell is this!?

Read on Twitter

"Hall of fame" players is deceiving. KG/Pierce were on their last legs. especially KG (who didnt even play back to backs). Jrue is still in his prime. Doing all you can to try and get Giannis to resign factors in as well. if it gets Giannis to sign, its worth the overpay... and if Giannis stays the bucks are a 50-win floor for the next 4 years meaning 2 of those swaps dont happen and the the other 2 picks are in the 20s.

its a gamble, one that hinges on Giannis. if you a place like milwaukee you will never get a star FA like giannis to come. so if you have him, going all in to keep him is a good gamble even if ti slike 75% he still leaves

There is no way Jrue Holiday is actually worth 3 1sts & multi pick swaps including an unprotected pick in 2027. You are still not making these moves with a signed SuperMax done or agreed upon. These are hopeless moves that will ultimately doom any team if another one gets much better.

[Prokorov]

This is worse than the Boston trade. They were Atleast HOF players. What the hell is this!?

Read on Twitter

"Hall of fame" players is deceiving. KG/Pierce were on their last legs. especially KG (who didnt even play back to backs). Jrue is still in his prime. Doing all you can to try and get Giannis to resign factors in as well. if it gets Giannis to sign, its worth the overpay... and if Giannis stays the bucks are a 50-win floor for the next 4 years meaning 2 of those swaps dont happen and the the other 2 picks are in the 20s.

its a gamble, one that hinges on Giannis. if you a place like milwaukee you will never get a star FA like giannis to come. so if you have him, going all in to keep him is a good gamble even if ti slike 75% he still leaves

There is no way Jrue Holiday is actually worth 3 1sts & multi pick swaps including an unprotected pick in 2027. You are still not making these moves with a signed SuperMax done or agreed upon. These are hopeless moves that will ultimately doom any team if another one gets much better.

of course you do. If a handful of picks helps you keep Giannis you 100% do.

People are making way too big a deal about picks because we got burned in the rare occurence where everything that can go wrong goes wrong. If giannis stays none of the swaps convey and the picks turn into guys like marshon brooks.

Giannis, Harden... you cant overpay for guys like that in picks. teams tank for 5 years in the hope they can maybe get a guy like that

[Paradise]

This is worse than the Boston trade. They were Atleast HOF players. What the hell is this!?

Read on Twitter

The market was set last summer by the George and Westbrook trades. Even Covington netted two firsts. 4 years ago that price would have been unheard. Not anymore.

This is the buy in now: 4-5 picks at minimum for talent.

However, the lack of protections on those picks is alarming for Milwaukee, for several reasons. Holiday can walk, and Giannis could bounce to Miami next summer. If that happens, good lord.

I feel comfortable with trading 4-5 picks given our situation and the contracts.

Same here.

I’m starting to feel comfortable with the idea of Dinwiddie, LeVert, Allen, Prince, Kurucs/Clax, 3 1sts, 2 pick swaps.

I’d try to really hold onto the 19th pick, though depending on how they feel about Rodi and Nic as add ins.

[Prokorov]

This is worse than the Boston trade. They were Atleast HOF players. What the hell is this!?

Read on Twitter

The market was set last summer by the George and Westbrook trades. Even Covington netted two firsts. 4 years ago that price would have been unheard. Not anymore.

This is the buy in now: 4-5 picks at minimum for talent.

However, the lack of protections on those picks is alarming for Milwaukee, for several reasons. Holiday can walk, and Giannis could bounce to Miami next summer. If that happens, good lord.

I feel comfortable with trading 4-5 picks given our situation and the contracts.

its worth the risk for milwaukee though. cause if giannis walks they are screwed for a while anyhow. no one good signs in milwaukee. guys liek giannis come around once in 20 years and the odds you are in posiiton to draft them are low even if you are bad.

even fig iannis is 100% gone you still need to do whatever it takes to try and keep him

if your chicaco or detroit or even toronto you can weight risk. but milwaukee... you need to do whatever you can to increase odds he stays

[Paradise]

"Hall of fame" players is deceiving. KG/Pierce were on their last legs. especially KG (who didnt even play back to backs). Jrue is still in his prime. Doing all you can to try and get Giannis to resign factors in as well. if it gets Giannis to sign, its worth the overpay... and if Giannis stays the bucks are a 50-win floor for the next 4 years meaning 2 of those swaps dont happen and the the other 2 picks are in the 20s.

its a gamble, one that hinges on Giannis. if you a place like milwaukee you will never get a star FA like giannis to come. so if you have him, going all in to keep him is a good gamble even if ti slike 75% he still leaves

There is no way Jrue Holiday is actually worth 3 1sts & multi pick swaps including an unprotected pick in 2027. You are still not making these moves with a signed SuperMax done or agreed upon. These are hopeless moves that will ultimately doom any team if another one gets much better.

of course you do. If a handful of picks helps you keep Giannis you 100% do.

People are making way too big a deal about picks because we got burned in the rare occurence where everything that can go wrong goes wrong. If giannis stays none of the swaps convey and the picks turn into guys like marshon brooks.

Giannis, Harden... you cant overpay for guys like that in picks. teams tank for 5 years in the hope they can maybe get a guy like that

Because the Rockets are the current example of why that backfires and the Clippers too possibly.

You cannot make a move through 2027 without any form of actual assurance of Giannis staying, it’s a ridiculous gamble not to protect those picks this early in the process.

Like, that was a move I can tell came directly from ownership because of us, Philly chasing Harden and Boston pursing Jrue.