Bucks land Bogdan [Woj]

[shrink]

Getting a good young player in a sign-and-trade for any non-max player is good value.
Bogdan should help MIL with its timeline, and has the extra value of improving the chances Giannis stays.
Bogdan is happy getting paid playing for a contender

I think this is a good deal for all three.

[Soulyss]

It's not as terrible of a deal for the Kings are people are making it out to be, but i still have this as a clear win for the Bucks. Feels like the Kings are going to clear the deck a bit.

[Texas Chuck]

Normally I don't worry too much about tampering--I mean we all know it happens. But whoever leaked this and I have to think it was on the Bucks side--not a good move buddy. I mean if other teams complain and East teams might complain, what is Silver supposed to do here? Or is it just 2020 wild wild west stuff and every team was told deal with it in advance?

As to the deal I think it says we can't move Buddy right now due to PPP and probably a negative valuation so we are going to try and recoup some value by trying to make him happy by making him the starter and likely primary option. Which is good for Buddy and maybe eventually the Kings if they can flip him down the road. I like DDV okayish but he's gotten way overhyped as a prospect based on some advanced stats that appear to be about his team and less about him.

For the Bucks this off-season is a total home run. They kept their 3 most important players in Giannis, Middleton and BroLo and added two guys who fit great. Major props to Horst for not screwing around. Bucks fans here hated the idea of doing anything that gave up value, but they should be absolutely thrilled at how much more playoff ready they are today than they were 24 hours ago.

[HartfordWhalers]

Getting a good young player in a sign-and-trade for any non-max player is good value.
Bogdan should help MIL with its timeline, and has the extra value of improving the chances Giannis stays.
Bogdan is happy getting paid playing for a contender

I think this is a good deal for all three.

I went all 3 and feel it is the right choice easily, but I will say, Milwaukee is going to have a tough time with the hard cap this season. Almost everyone picked some answer that included the Bucks as a winner, and I guess I will just say that I see more downside than others have been mentioning.

[becorz]

As Bobby Marks noted, Bogi is base year compensation because his raise is so large...

Spoiler:

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Can someone look over my math to make sure what I am saying is correct? I could have swore that Marks said Ersan has to go elsewhere last night but it appears that tweet has disappeared.

Per Sportstrac, Wilson/Dante/Ersan is $14,592,440 worth of salary. Justin James is $1,517,981. Neither team has a large enough trade exception to absorb anyone.

So for the Kings, Bogi is an $8,500,000 salary in trade but for the Bucks he is worth whatever his contract is, due to base year.

So, that means Bogi's max salary, for the Bucks going in, is (14,592,440 x 125%)-1,517,981 = $16,722,569 for the first year

But for the Kings, they have Bogi's base year $8,500,000 contract and James' $1,517,981. So, the Kings can only take one their outgoing salary plus $5 million. That means the Kings can take on $15,017,981.

Which means that trade barely works. It is kind of amazing how that all fit together.

Normally I don't worry too much about tampering--I mean we all know it happens. But whoever leaked this and I have to think it was on the Bucks side--not a good move buddy. I mean if other teams complain and East teams might complain, what is Silver supposed to do here? Or is it just 2020 wild wild west stuff and every team was told deal with it in advance?

As a follower of Kings twitter, it seems that the Kings are leaking to every local reporter who doesn't know better (so...not he beat writers but the people who probably don't understand the rules, like local news sportscasters) that there ABSOLUTELY HAS BEEN NO TRADE AGREED TO DON"T BELIEVE ANYTHING. You can totally tell the Kings didn't want this out there at all.

[loserX]

As Bobby Marks noted, Bogi is base year compensation because his raise is so large...

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Can someone look over my math to make sure what I am saying is correct? I could have swore that Marks said Ersan has to go elsewhere last night but it appears that tweet has disappeared.

Per Sportstrac, Wilson/Dante/Ersan is $14,592,440 worth of salary. Justin James is $1,517,981. Neither team has a large enough trade exception to absorb anyone.

So for the Kings, Bogi is an $8,500,000 salary in trade but for the Bucks he is worth whatever his contract is, due to base year.

So, that means Bogi's max salary, for the Bucks going in, is (14,592,440 x 125%)-1,517,981 = $16,722,569 for the first year

But for the Kings, they have Bogi's base year $8,500,000 contract and James' $1,517,981. So, the Kings can only take one their outgoing salary plus $5 million. That means the Kings can take on $15,017,981.

Which means that trade barely works. It is kind of amazing how that all fit together.

I would imagine Bogi's salary was worked out to the dollar in order to make the trade work. Who knows, might have been more than he would have gotten anywhere else, so he gets paid *and* he ends up on the East's best team.

[SNPA]

Would you have done Bogdan for a 1st rounder at 24 this year? 20? What is the value you are putting on him, versus DD?

Bucks just trade 3 FRP’s and 2 swaps for Jrue. I would have demand one of those picks. Could have slid an average 2nd to Mil if needed to balance out.

Bogi is a stud. He makes them significantly better, especially in clutch moments. Kings lost on value. And again, I like DDV.

You’re too late. They already traded those picks to Nola. If you wanted them, you’d have to have gotten in ahead of Nola, but you wouldn’t also get DDV, in all likelihood.

No. Those deals were obviously discussed at the same time, they were announced a couple hours apart. McNair just undersold. He had the opportunity to ask for a pick and should have made it a dealbreaker. Jrue gets 5 FRP’s and Bogi gets none? He lost on value, not a great way to start. But DDV is a nice piece so it’s not a total fail but yeah, NO way out negotiated McNair. Bucks must have been laughing, like “ok, we’ll give this giant pile of assets to NO and slice off one little piece for Sac and get the two guys we want!”

[BowlRips]

Man... I like donte and I know he's a free agent but this is rough. I guess it's time to embrace. We saw all the western conference teams improve today. Take a 2 year reset and hope donte becomes the real deal

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Wonder if they can move up with him

That's a great point.

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Donte and 12 to the Knicks for 8 might be intriguing for both sides

[Texas Chuck]

I think it might be as simple as you not understanding that S&T players never bring a major return. For a free agent they got a good young player. It's a win if you aren't re-signing him. If you think he's worth more than that you just match an offer sheet or hope to work out your own deal.

But clearly they finally said we have to stop paying all these role players big long-term contracts and keeping ourselves trapped in mediocrity. You should applaud that even if it should have happened with Barnes and Buddy instead so you could keep the best of the 3.

[M-C-G]

Wonder if they can move up with him

That's a great point.

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Donte and 12 to the Knicks for 8 might be intriguing for both sides

Donte is worth a lot more than moving up 4 spots. ****, he'd be a top 10 pick in this draft if I had to guess.

[SNPA]

I think it might be as simple as you not understanding that S&T players never bring a major return. For a free agent they got a good young player. It's a win if you aren't re-signing him. If you think he's worth more than that you just match an offer sheet or hope to work out your own deal.

But clearly they finally said we have to stop paying all these role players big long-term contracts and keeping ourselves trapped in mediocrity. You should applaud that even if it should have happened with Barnes and Buddy instead so you could keep the best of the 3.

Then don't sign and trade him. Sign him...wait, deadline comes...trade him. Why is that so hard? At worst you would just be matching an offer that another team just made made him, so he wouldn't be some terrible contract no one wants.

The problem I have isn't with the deal for DDV. It's with the fact that he got to little and out negotiated by N.O. They said give us not 1, not 2, not 3 or 4 but 5 FRP's (or swaps). That's negotiating. McNair didn't even get a single pick. Can someone tell me with a straight face that Jrue is worth 4 more first round picks than Bogi (let's say DDV equals one of those picks)? Some of those picks NO got are unprotected way out in the future, that's gold. McNair should have demanded one of those five picks come to Sac, and slide by a mid-2nd if needed. He just undersold a bit. But...there is likely more to this plan so maybe the repositioning cost turns out to be worth it, we'll see.

[Texas Chuck]

Yeah you just don't understand how S&T's work. Jrue is under contract so Griffin only has to please Horst(and governors of both teams). In a S&T the player has a say too. It reduces what you can get back. Much better players have been S&T for less return. You are looking at a deal that has nothing to do with the Kings and getting jealous and thus irrational.

You got a good deal for a guy clearly the team wasn't keeping. The end.

[loserX]

I think it might be as simple as you not understanding that S&T players never bring a major return. For a free agent they got a good young player. It's a win if you aren't re-signing him. If you think he's worth more than that you just match an offer sheet or hope to work out your own deal.

But clearly they finally said we have to stop paying all these role players big long-term contracts and keeping ourselves trapped in mediocrity. You should applaud that even if it should have happened with Barnes and Buddy instead so you could keep the best of the 3.

Then don't sign and trade him. Sign him...wait, deadline comes...trade him. Why is that so hard? At worst you would just be matching an offer that another team just made made him, so he wouldn't be some terrible contract no one wants.

Because you already have a very-well-paid guy at the same position who doesn't want to share.

So either:
- you play Bogdanovic ahead of Hield and deal with that issue
- you play Hield ahead of Bogdanovic and reduce Bogdanovic's value
- you play Bogdanovic out of position and reduce Bogdanovic's value
- you try to trade Hield and likely get fewer takers and a worse deal than you just got for Bogdanovic

There are a lot of ways this could have gone wrong. I think this was cleanest and easiest, though if DDV outplays Hield you'll have to deal with that too.

[Scoot McGroot]

Bucks just trade 3 FRP’s and 2 swaps for Jrue. I would have demand one of those picks. Could have slid an average 2nd to Mil if needed to balance out.

Bogi is a stud. He makes them significantly better, especially in clutch moments. Kings lost on value. And again, I like DDV.

You’re too late. They already traded those picks to Nola. If you wanted them, you’d have to have gotten in ahead of Nola, but you wouldn’t also get DDV, in all likelihood.

No. Those deals were obviously discussed at the same time, they were announced a couple hours apart. McNair just undersold. He had the opportunity to ask for a pick and should have made it a dealbreaker. Jrue gets 5 FRP’s and Bogi gets none? He lost on value, not a great way to start. But DDV is a nice piece so it’s not a total fail but yeah, NO way out negotiated McNair. Bucks must have been laughing, like “ok, we’ll give this giant pile of assets to NO and slice off one little piece for Sac and get the two guys we want!”

Do you think the Bogdan deal was agreed to first? Or that Bogdan was the priority acquisition instead of Jrue? Otherwise, Milwaukee finalized a deal for their priority, and then finished up with Sacramento on the secondary. Taking from the priority for the secondary would jeopardize the primary deal.

If you wanted those picks, you should’ve pushed the deal earlier and gotten closure first. And I’m guessing it’s just not a possibility you could’ve done so as Jrue was the priority and not Bogdan.

[HartfordWhalers]

The lets sign a guy to the largest contract he can get anywhere and then flip him for value plan has a lot of downside and risk regardless of playing time and chemistry issues.

Knicks spent ~100 bazillion dollars doing that last year, and got one flippable guy, bunch of expirings, and one bad contract.

I think best case scenario, a 80m/4 year Bogdan gets a pick at ~20 next trade deadline. Worse case scenario, it costs a pick to dump.

[loserX]

And of course, this all assumes that Bogdanovic doesn't just tell the Kings to shove their offer and signs an offer sheet with Atlanta or Miami or Detroit. Even if the Bucks match, he may not be happy and then IIRC he has trade veto rights for a year and doesn't have to go anywhere he doesn't want to.

If he's not part of the future, there is big downside to keeping him anyway. Get something good and make no enemies.

[HartfordWhalers]

And of course, this all assumes that Bogdanovic doesn't just tell the Kings to shove their offer and signs an offer sheet with Atlanta or Miami or Detroit. Even if the Bucks match, he may not be happy and then IIRC he has trade veto rights for a year and doesn't have to go anywhere he doesn't want to.

If he's not part of the future, there is big downside to keeping him anyway. Get something good and make no enemies.

Or sign he q/o and call his location as an unrestricted free agent in the much larger class of '21 summer money. While this route is rare, the amount of teams that have 0 money now but will have lots then is also rare.

[SNPA]

Yeah you just don't understand how S&T's work. Jrue is under contract so Griffin only has to please Horst(and governors of both teams). In a S&T the player has a say too. It reduces what you can get back. Much better players have been S&T for less return. You are looking at a deal that has nothing to do with the Kings and getting jealous and thus irrational.

You got a good deal for a guy clearly the team wasn't keeping. The end.

I think trading players you should try to get equal or more value. Totally irrational.

There is a reason the vast majority of fans on the general board think the Kings lost this deal (yeah, I know...the general board, but still).

There really is no need to trade Bogi at all. McNair wasn’t forced here. My hope is he has a plan and the loss he took in value here helps facilitate that plan somehow.

[nolang1]

Bucks just trade 3 FRP’s and 2 swaps for Jrue. I would have demand one of those picks. Could have slid an average 2nd to Mil if needed to balance out.

Bogi is a stud. He makes them significantly better, especially in clutch moments. Kings lost on value. And again, I like DDV.

You’re too late. They already traded those picks to Nola. If you wanted them, you’d have to have gotten in ahead of Nola, but you wouldn’t also get DDV, in all likelihood.

No. Those deals were obviously discussed at the same time, they were announced a couple hours apart. McNair just undersold. He had the opportunity to ask for a pick and should have made it a dealbreaker. Jrue gets 5 FRP’s and Bogi gets none? He lost on value, not a great way to start. But DDV is a nice piece so it’s not a total fail but yeah, NO way out negotiated McNair. Bucks must have been laughing, like “ok, we’ll give this giant pile of assets to NO and slice off one little piece for Sac and get the two guys we want!”

Jrue is good enough to be an all-star in the East. There are maybe 10 teams in the league Bogdan would start for.

I think trading players you should try to get equal or more value. Totally irrational.

There is a reason the vast majority of fans on the general board think the Kings lost this deal (yeah, I know...the general board, but still).

Because they look at points per game and say 'durr Bogdan is twice as good as DiVincenzo?' Or because they assume he's some up-and-coming youngster because he's only played 3 years in the NBA?

[jakecronus8]

My take on Donte as a Bucks fan:

He can be exciting and frustrating. He’s still got to learn the different speeds of the game and not just go full on in his minutes. Terrific on ball defensive instincts and he’s not afraid to get physical and grab a board. Some like him as a combo guard but I think his handle is too loose to play any minutes at point.

He tested as a great athlete but at times he has trouble harnessing that athleticism and is not a great finisher. His jumper is a work in progress. I would not bet on him ever being more than streaky. He uses a lot of energy in his gather and release.

One of my biggest is concerns with him as a prospect, and I believe it’s a reason for some of his biggest deficiencies is that he seems to have small hands, which hinders his handle, jumper, and finishing ability.