Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIX

[Ruzious]

#9 pick for OKC draft picks #25, #28, Rockets 2021 pick (top 4 protected)

Who says no?

That's a definite no here.

I'd say yes - assuming Okongwu and Haliburton are gone. OKC's probably going to be bad next season - especially if they dump Rubio for yet another pick.

[nate33]

#9 pick for OKC draft picks #25, #28, Rockets 2021 pick (top 4 protected)

Who says no?

That's a definite no here.

I'd say yes - assuming Okongwu and Haliburton are gone. OKC's probably going to be bad next season - especially if they dump Rubio for yet another pick.

We aren't getting OKC's 2021 pick in this trade.

[queridiculo]

That's a definite no here.

I'd say yes - assuming Okongwu and Haliburton are gone. OKC's probably going to be bad next season - especially if they dump Rubio for yet another pick.

We aren't getting OKC's 2021 pick in this trade.

Technically it's a pick swap, but I don't really see the point here if there's protection on it either way.

[doclinkin]

#9 pick for OKC draft picks #25, #28, Rockets 2021 pick (top 4 protected)

Who says no?

I don't like it. I don't see Houston tanking anytime soon since they don't own their own 1st round pick for the next 5 years. They may move Westbrook and/or Harden, but it will be for win-now talent

Yeah but who's their GM now? And the 2021 pick is gold. It may be lotto considering competition in the West. But even if it is mid-first round it could very well be the equivalent of this year's lotto talent.

[Ruzious]

That's a definite no here.

I'd say yes - assuming Okongwu and Haliburton are gone. OKC's probably going to be bad next season - especially if they dump Rubio for yet another pick.

We aren't getting OKC's 2021 pick in this trade.

Sorry, I got the teams mixed up.

[rl25g]

If the Rockets fire sale we should make a run at Covington.

Smith, Bonga and Wagner work salary wise. Would 2020 and 2021 seconds be enough or would the draft compensation have to be a future first ?

[doclinkin]

The Pelicans have every draft pick in the world for the next few drafts. You have to figure they can't draft and keep them all. There's got to be a consolidation trade at some point.

[TGW]

The Rockets offloaded Covington for picks and Ariza's corpse. Has to be the first step in a total tear down of the Rockets roster.

[The Consiglieri]

That hoops hype take from some scout that if we want to get veteran help for Beal/Wall, Brown (Troy, I assume) could fetch a 2nd or two is one of the wackest (bringing back the nineties here) takes I've heard in my life. If we threw Brown in because he is apparently worth a 2nd or two in some bird brained win now move, I'd officially turn in my fandom. In what world is Brown worth a second or two in this dog pile draft?!?!

Regardless, there's literally no way on earth, hell in a million earths if there are innumerable universes, would I make such a trade. Zero chance.

Just crazy talk. Really sucks to be a fan of so many teams that are notorious for having GM's so bad, trade ideas like this are potentially possible (more talking about EG and every single GM with the wizards before him, than Shepard (for now anyway).

[Dark Faze]

Give me Tornado Papi and the Thunder pick horde for Brad please.

I’d enjoy that very much.

[nate33]

That hoops hype take from some scout that if we want to get veteran help for Beal/Wall, Brown (Troy, I assume) could fetch a 2nd or two is one of the wackest (bringing back the nineties here) takes I've heard in my life. If we threw Brown in because he is apparently worth a 2nd or two in some bird brained win now move, I'd officially turn in my fandom. In what world is Brown worth a second or two in this dog pile draft?!?!

Regardless, there's literally no way on earth, hell in a million earths if there are innumerable universes, would I make such a trade. Zero chance.

Just crazy talk. Really sucks to be a fan of so many teams that are notorious for having GM's so bad, trade ideas like this are potentially possible (more talking about EG and every single GM with the wizards before him, than Shepard (for now anyway).

I'm not worried. Tommy Sheppard appears to value assets. He's not giving anything way just to boost the short term win total by a couple of game. The way he got assets for a departing Satoransky was very encouraging.

[doclinkin]

Read on Twitter

Orlando is dangling Aaron Gordon to move up. They also have 15 and 45.

[Ed Wood]

Dangling has a pretty menacing connotation in that sentence. Am I to understand that the Magic are threatening to give us Aaron Gordon unless we surrender our pick to them?

[WizarDynasty]

Read on Twitter

Orlando is dangling Aaron Gordon to move up. They also have 15 and 45.

i hope we stay away from Gordon. He has very uncoordinated feet in post, and can't maintain a deep hip bend and while controlling his momentum. He i s also a really poor rebounder with a low motor and bad feet. His poor hip bend makes him horrible and guarding quick perimeter players.
Stay away from him at all costs. Definitely can't guard a teams best perimeter player with his poor lateral agility. He is basically Javale McGee when it comes to coordination. Javale can run and jump, but ask javale to explode, stop his momentum, and then explode again, javale and gordan are both stumbling to the floor offensively and defensively. Poor deep hip bend while moving.

Let's hope Shepherd doesn't pull a grunfeld move thinking he is getting a veteran like tha Mike Miller trade, and when they picked up Gortat.
Gordon is horrible defensive player, and he is not an efficient offensive player. He doesn't have the foot speed to guard on perimeter and he doesn't have balance and lower body power to bang inside for rebounds.
He basically wants a free lane to the basket where he can dunk. He doesn't practice scoring against defensive contact. His passion is basically getting sweet dunks like in the all star game where no one is going to try and bother your shot. Dont' do it Shepherd and leonsis. Get scotty pippen clone in the draft.
Was shepherd here when we traded Mike miller and Foye for Stephen Curry? He arrived in Dc in 2003 and he didn't stop EG from trading away the number 5 overall pick for Mike Miller and Randy Foye? That was one of the worst trades in history of sports? We traded a lottery pick for role players who had ever lead their teams to anything, foye was undersized shooting guard...not one allstar appearances for either and Aaron Gordon never selected to allstar.

This smell of the same scent as back then and Shepherd was part of the organization. If you are not getting Vucevic in the deal, stay away completely. If Shepherd trades for Gordon, then it means Grunfeld spirit of horrible trades for non all star players who have never made the all nba defense team. Has this team ever traded for a young player who has made the allstar team or been on the nba all defense team? Don't trade for players on teams that have been crappy. Gortat was on PHoenix and they never won anything. Gordon since he has been with magic have never won anything. That is a huge red flag to stay away.

Now if we were trading for a guy like Brandon Ingram, or Vucevic. Let's hope shepherd isn't making a pitch to Leonsis that Gordon would be Veteran help that Wall and Beal need in the playoffs. Now if we are getting someone like Aldridge or even Vucevic. But absolutely no to Gordon. i would even move back a few spots for Mo Bamba, you would have to give me top 5 picks to take on Gordon.

[nate33]

I always felt that Gordon was playing out of position at SF and should play PF. He might be a guy you could buy low.

But it's a moot point for the Wizards. We don't have the salary ballast to take on Gordon in a trade - not unless we trade away Bryant in the process.

[mhd]

I always felt that Gordon was playing out of position at SF and should play PF. He might be a guy you could buy low.

But it's a moot point for the Wizards. We don't have the salary ballast to take on Gordon in a trade - not unless we trade away Bryant in the process.

If we sign a vet center (say Baynes), it wouldn't be the worst move in the world. Ish+Robinson+Bryant works in the TC. Draft a young wing like Nesmith at 15 and sign a vet PG as depth, and that's an improved team.

PG: Wall/TBJ
SG: Beal/Matthews
SF: Bonga/Rui
PF: Gordon/Rui/Bertans
C: Baynes/Wagner

[nate33]

I always felt that Gordon was playing out of position at SF and should play PF. He might be a guy you could buy low.

But it's a moot point for the Wizards. We don't have the salary ballast to take on Gordon in a trade - not unless we trade away Bryant in the process.

If we sign a vet center (say Baynes), it wouldn't be the worst move in the world. Ish+Robinson+Bryant works in the TC. Draft a young wing like Nesmith at 15 and sign a vet PG as depth, and that's an improved team.

PG: Wall/TBJ
SG: Beal/Matthews
SF: Bonga/Rui
PF: Gordon/Rui/Bertans
C: Baynes/Wagner

I don't like it. Baynes will be 34 years old before the season starts. Position-wise, it doesn't make sense to go with a 34-year-old starter and a not-really-NBA-caliber backup at center while at the same time relegating Bertans to 15 minutes a game as our fourth forward.

Statistically, Gordon is only barely better than Hachimura at this point. And it wouldn't surprise me if Hachimura closes that gap this year. I'm not sure I'd do that deal straight up, much less as part of a trade down in the draft.

[Ed Wood]

You could probably put on a team polo and show me a laptop with a bunch of green numbers in a spreadsheet under Gordon's name and convince me that super duper classified proprietary **** has him as like a really good team defender or something because it certainly seems like he should have a notable NBA skill.

Anyway, I don't agree that siphoning Bertans' minutes (?) to start him would improve the team. Cutting into Rui's minutes to play him is weird from a bigger picture developmental energy standpoint but from an output standpoint that's kinda like two spidermen pointing at each other territory.

I don't want to trade for Aaron Gordon.

[payitforward]

Wow... we are a nervous group right now. A lot of worrying about trades that haven't seemed in the offing.

Tommy Sheppard is not Ernie Grunfeld. Nothing like him. He's made that clear as can be. I don't suggest that everything he's done has been great -- but... a lot of it has!

He's shown imagination & guts. At the end of 18-19, when I was saying 'well, maybe we should bring back Dekker...' & others were asking how much we should offer Parker & Portis, Sheppard showed them all the door & built a new team from the ground up!

There were 18 guys who played some minutes for us in 2018-19 who were no longer Wizards when 2019-20 started!

In fact, only Wall, Beal, Bryant & Brown are still with the team from 2018-19. You can't change a team much faster than that!

He did make a mistake trading for Miles, but it was a small one. Ditto Schofield. &, of course, we don't yet know how Rui is going to work out. But, there's so much good on the other other side of the ledger that I'm not worried he's going to trade for some guy like Parker who isn't working in the league.

[Dat2U]

I always felt that Gordon was playing out of position at SF and should play PF. He might be a guy you could buy low.

But it's a moot point for the Wizards. We don't have the salary ballast to take on Gordon in a trade - not unless we trade away Bryant in the process.

If we sign a vet center (say Baynes), it wouldn't be the worst move in the world. Ish+Robinson+Bryant works in the TC. Draft a young wing like Nesmith at 15 and sign a vet PG as depth, and that's an improved team.

PG: Wall/TBJ
SG: Beal/Matthews
SF: Bonga/Rui
PF: Gordon/Rui/Bertans
C: Baynes/Wagner

I don't like it. Baynes will be 34 years old before the season starts. Position-wise, it doesn't make sense to go with a 34-year-old starter and a not-really-NBA-caliber backup at center while at the same time relegating Bertans to 15 minutes a game as our fourth forward.

Statistically, Gordon is only barely better than Hachimura at this point. And it wouldn't surprise me if Hachimura closes that gap this year. I'm not sure I'd do that deal straight up, much less as part of a trade down in the draft.

Too many PFs. Hachimura sorta closes the door on AG. I wouldn't want Gordon or Bertans getting many minutes at the 3.

But the backup C market is plentiful. Shouldn't be an issue finding one cheaply if necessary.