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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#261 » by doclinkin » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:33 pm

prime1time wrote:Are we betting on Brown Jr. filling that role? Looks like we are still trying to figure it out. Brown Jr. always struck me as a wing.


The front office has envisioned TBJ as a big Point guard. Troy also has said he expects to he playing on the perimeter more often and is working on his 3 ball so he can be more skilled in motion and coming off screens etc in the catch and shoot. He has been working on his laterality because he said the team will need him to be able to guard the perimeter if so. He has shown leadership skills and the team likes seeing him run the 2nd squad, even if he is younger than anyone on the team except Bonga. That suggest point guard, but he will need to at times be able to play next to Wall, since we really have no one behind Bradley aside from Ish, who basically plays like John Wall Jr.
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#262 » by doclinkin » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:40 pm

Ed Wood wrote:This is a bad time to bring it up - because it cuts against that sentiment and I think Hayes is 1/1A for the player I like the most in the entire draft so I'd certainly draft him regardless of other concerns at 9, but I'm kind of okay continuing to see how Garrison Mathews works out in those limited backup minutes behind Beal.


I think everyone is aboard the Garrison train. If he can stay healthy. And keep improving on defense. IIRC he had a weird stint in the GLeague where he fell back from how he was performing with the Wiz. But I'd happily see what he's got with the squad. Depth is a good thing. And being that we'd be grooming Hayes as a combo sub for Wall and Beal alike, it'd be excellent to put a shooter next to him in the bench mob and the practice team to give him a sniper and a floor spacer.
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#263 » by DCZards » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:12 pm

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Still the question isn't this year, the question is over the player's career. Hayes fits the profile of the kind of character and talent Tommy looks for. He is a solid quiet hard worker who happens to have a ton of talent and advanced understanding of the game at a young age. As an understudy for Beal and Wall he can pick up a great deal. To this point we have had no back up to Beal at the offguard spot. Currently we are betting on Troy developing a jumper to fill that role. Would it be good to have another 6'5" ballhandling guard with a smooth shot? I think this squad would be an ideal graduate school for the young pro. We have seen the error of having zero developing talent behind our starters. Hell last year was the first time in forever that we had decent depth at point. Unless you count Gil and Wall together. Either way we are putting a lot of weight on a 30 year old's PG's rebuilt leg. There will be additional guard minutes available if the team is smart and has monitored restrictions on Wall's workload. That's just at point. I can't think of a time when we have ever had 2 good shooting guards. Aside from Larry and Gil playing together, since together they were the birth of the combo guard era.

If Hayes is the best talent on the board, I don't hate the pick. If he is good enough then maybe he makes Ish a solid trading piece. If he is truly good enough then it provides insurance if, for whatever reason, we don't have the services of our all star pair.


As I've said, I checked out his videos and like Hayes' game. I like it a lot.

But I don't know if that's the best way to keep Beal happy...if that is indeed the goal. Because you're basically telling Brad "we're drafting someone that you and John can school so that he can someday live up to his outstanding potential."

Sounds good in theory, but I have to believe that BB would prefer that the Zards draft a player who is talented, and likely just as high character and hard working as Hayes. But also someone who fills a critical and immediate need--like Okongwu and Achiuwa. This may not be the best approach for TS and the Zards to take...then again it might be.

As far as easing the workload on Wall, Beal, Ish and Troy are there to help with that.
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#264 » by Ruzious » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:24 pm

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Dat2U wrote:Bold prediction:

I think Onyeka Okongwu to the Wizards is a smoke screen. I think they love Deni Avdija and he's the one they would trade up for if available.

If they stick at 9 the pick will be Patrick Williams even ahead of Okongwu if both are on the board. If Williams is gone, then its probably a trade down or someone like Issac Okoro or Precious Achiuwa.


Based on Sheppard's track record, Avdija fits the type of guy he likes, so does Williams. High character guys with a good physical profile who love the game and a perceived upside. Guys can be taught up, raw talent can't. Skills can be developed but desire or love for the game can't.

Also I believe the Wizards will go for a veteran C in free agency. I don't think they have any plans on starting a rookie or going in next year with just Bryant/Wags/Rookie. They have big playoff aspirations in a prove it year to Beal. Any C they draft will probably not see many minutes next season.

I'd be real surprised if Avdija slips past the 5th pick. He could even go 2nd to GS, because he seems like the kind of player they'd look for. Williams... I think Detroit's nuts, but they seem to want him at 7.
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#265 » by nate33 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:37 pm

DCZards wrote:As I've said, I checked out his videos and like Hayes game. I like it a lot.

But I don't know if that's the best way to keep Beal happy...if that is indeed the goal. Because you're basically telling Brad "we're drafting someone that you and John can school so that he can someday live up to his outstanding potential."

Sounds good in theory, but I have to believe that BB would prefer that the Zards draft a player who is talented, and likely just as high character and hard working as Hayes. But also someone who fills a critical need--like Okongwu and Achiuwa. This may not be the best approach for TS and the Zards to take...then again it might be.

As far as easing the workload on Wall, Beal, Ish and Troy are there to help with that.

I get what you are saying. I definitely think Beal and Wall might be irked with a guard acquisition if this was 3 years ago. How do you justify drafting a future starting guard when you already have your backcourt set for the next 5+ years?

But this isn't 3 years ago. Wall is now 30 years old coming off a major injury. He is in the twilight of his career and isn't part of a long term plan lasting 5+ years. It's helpful that Hayes is a combo guard capable of playing both guard positions. This year, he would be a backup, which is fine for a rookie. Next year, he is a 6th man playing 28 minutes a night, and maybe Beal plays 4-8 minutes at SF to make more room for Hayes in a 3-guard lineup. By his 3rd year, Wall is in the final year of his contract and can be moved, or they can keep everyone together if the 3-guard thing is working out. In Hayes' 4th year, Wall is gone.

At worst, there might be some friction in that 3rd year when Hayes is ready to be a star but can't get the minutes. But the problem goes away in Year 4.
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#266 » by doclinkin » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:29 pm

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DCZards wrote:As I've said, I checked out his videos and like Hayes game. I like it a lot.

But I don't know if that's the best way to keep Beal happy...if that is indeed the goal. Because you're basically telling Brad "we're drafting someone that you and John can school so that he can someday live up to his outstanding potential."

Sounds good in theory, but I have to believe that BB would prefer that the Zards draft a player who is talented, and likely just as high character and hard working as Hayes. But also someone who fills a critical need--like Okongwu and Achiuwa. This may not be the best approach for TS and the Zards to take...then again it might be.

As far as easing the workload on Wall, Beal, Ish and Troy are there to help with that.

I get what you are saying. I definitely think Beal and Wall might be irked with a guard acquisition if this was 3 years ago. How do you justify drafting a future starting guard when you already have your backcourt set for the next 5+ years?

But this isn't 3 years ago. Wall is now 30 years old coming off a major injury. He is in the twilight of his career and isn't part of a long term plan lasting 5+ years. It's helpful that Hayes is a combo guard capable of playing both guard positions. This year, he would be a backup, which is fine for a rookie. Next year, he is a 6th man playing 28 minutes a night, and maybe Beal plays 4-8 minutes at SF to make more room for Hayes in a 3-guard lineup. By his 3rd year, Wall is in the final year of his contract and can be moved, or they can keep everyone together if the 3-guard thing is working out. In Hayes' 4th year, Wall is gone.

At worst, there might be some friction in that 3rd year when Hayes is ready to be a star but can't get the minutes. But the problem goes away in Year 4.


I think while Beal wants to win, he also thinks organizationally. He has made it clear he really enjoys his mentorship role with the younger cats. He has talked about opportunities after his playing days. One of the reasons why every team wants him is that he is fairly low ego. If the team is winning then he is willing to stick. The question is if the team is winning. I'd agree Okongwu is probably the quickest way to show an impact in the win/loss column. I doubt he is available to us for that reason. Many teams saw the effect of a playable (Ie mobile) defensive big in the post season. Win now teams will move up to take him. He is a polished player. Achiuwa is not. He is older and still unsure what his role is. His physical talent is high, but his learning curve will be more of an uphill grind. If the front office values Hayes above Achiuwa, they won't be restricted by concerns about Beal. In fact I fully expect they'd consult with Beal and include him in the draft evaluation. They see him as part of the franchise even after his career. I'd bet Beal would agree and give the nod if they collectively had Hayes rated above Precious.
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#267 » by Dat2U » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:04 pm

I keep coming down to LaMelo being the best player in this draft. I think he's instinctively a better scorer & playmaker than his brother who I always viewed as more of a facilitator who struggles to break down defenses.

The next tier is led by Hayes. There's evidence that he has the makings of a good shooter. Can't say that about some of these other prospects. The skill level, size and age seem to bode well for him.

After that its Okongwu & Haliburton. Haliburton projects to SG once he gets stronger. Ideally he may be a great secondary ball handler in lineups.

I feel pretty good about Precious Achiuwa, maybe even more so than Wiseman. My like for Nesmith & Hampton is well known.

I feel confident about Malachi Flynn outplaying his draft position by a decent margin. Same with Xavier Tillman.

Josh Green has the tools to stick a while even if he's just a role player. Same with Tre Jones. Payton Pritchard & maybe Devon Dotson

I find Tyrell Terry, Leandro Bolmaro & Jaden McDaniels intriguing talents who need the perfect fit to succeed but have a solid upside if they land in the right place.
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Post#268 » by doclinkin » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:05 pm

The Athletic recently spoke with Wizards GM Tommy Sheppard in an exclusive conversation about the upcoming offseason.

Here are thoughts from that conversation, along with lots of other tidbits about Washington’s offseason plan.
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Sheppard has called Davis Bertans the Wizards’ “priority” for months. Nothing has changed on that front. They are the favorites to sign him once free agency opens.
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There is no way the Wizards trade Bradley Beal this offseason.
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The Wizards saw Memphis big man Precious Achiuwa work out a couple of weeks ago; and word is, he impressed. Drafting Achiuwa ninth would be early if you go by the mocks, but if a team thinks a guy is good enough, then it could always take him. There’s inherent risk in trading down and hoping the player you want falls to you. And Achiuwa could be an example of that.
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“I’m really pleased about what’s there at No. 9 and No. 37,” Sheppard said. “We’d be happy if we had options to go any direction. But at the end of the day, what’s best for the Wizards — we’ll keep that to ourselves and make that decision when it’s time to do it. To say today, hey, we’re keeping No. 9 would be really presumptuous. That’s not necessarily the case. But at the same time, we’re happy where we’re at. But we’re always trying to get better with everything we do.”

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• Could the Wizards buy a second-round pick Wednesday night?

“Yeah. If the opportunity presents itself and there’s value there, certainly,” Sheppard said. “We look at everything. And Mr. (Ted) Leonsis and our ownership group, they’ve never said no in terms of — hey, do what’s best for the Wizards. … Is it a priority? No. Our priority is at No. 9. Our priority is at No. 37. But it’s something that if we can accomplish that, we really like getting extra draft picks.”



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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#269 » by Gig18 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:24 pm

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Ed Wood wrote:This is a bad time to bring it up - because it cuts against that sentiment and I think Hayes is 1/1A for the player I like the most in the entire draft so I'd certainly draft him regardless of other concerns at 9, but I'm kind of okay continuing to see how Garrison Mathews works out in those limited backup minutes behind Beal.


I think everyone is aboard the Garrison train. If he can stay healthy. And keep improving on defense. IIRC he had a weird stint in the GLeague where he fell back from how he was performing with the Wiz. But I'd happily see what he's got with the squad. Depth is a good thing. And being that we'd be grooming Hayes as a combo sub for Wall and Beal alike, it'd be excellent to put a shooter next to him in the bench mob and the practice team to give him a sniper and a floor spacer.

we DEFINITELY have to keep Matthews.
I mean, geez, what a shooter! He's even able to fire with good form when he's totally off balance. gotta ride that.
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#270 » by Endless Loop » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:00 pm

One interesting thing about this draft for the Wizards is that it will be the first draft with a new staff. Yeah, Tommy led the draft last year also, but at that time the team hadn't hired its full complement of executive staff. I find the organization a little confusing with potential for overlap. For many years before last year, Tommy played #2 to a guy who (we hope) didn't take Tommy's advice. There's a real question as to how strong a leader Tommy will be with regard to the draft. Some of the other new guys in the organization are alpha types with a lot of success- but NOT in basketball. I hope that everyone lets Tommy lead and supports him. IMO, he's proven that he's a good judge of talent- certainly more so than any of the rest of the new staff.

To be a great GM, you sometimes have to do things that are outside the consensus. (For instance, last year the consensus was for the WFT to take "generational talent" Chase Young, and ignore a quarterback who, if not injured, would probably have been #1 in the draft ahead of Burrow.). I don't know if Rui last year was really the consensus pick at the Wizard's slot. I think it was pretty ballsy of Tommy to make that pick.

If the pick this year is a safe, conventional one, then there's a good chance that the draft process for the Wizards was a consensus process. That sort of process usually leads to mediocrity.
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Post#271 » by payitforward » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:48 pm

Ed Wood wrote:
nate33 wrote:I don't see it. Avdija is too much like Rui: a combo forward who doesn't shoot the 3 ball that well. Seems like a bad fit, unless they've soured on Rui already.

I'm not firmly out on Rui, but I don't really agree with this logic. The Wizards aren't really in a position to have a compelling reason to eschew anybody in the draft for a better fit who's a less compelling overall talent.... you have to have a pretty compelling roster to bunt for base hits in the draft in my eyes.

This is so true, & so very straightforward & obvious.

Ed Wood wrote:That's ... complicated.. because it (is) assuming in this case that Avdija is a better prospect than Williams...

Maybe complicated in the case of someone other than Williams, but he is so utterly speculative.... Look what Avdija has already proven!

Ed Wood wrote:...drafting-to-fit is doubly weird to me when one of the consensus picks to enact that plan (Achiuwa) is also a pretty significant developmental project....

I wouldn't view our taking Achiuwa as "drafting to fit." We'd have to view his overall potential -- based on whatever characteristics + plus overall athleticism -- as the best available at #9.
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Post#272 » by payitforward » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:52 pm

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nate33 wrote:I can't think of a team less in need of a proven veteran backup point guard. We have the most experienced starting back court in the NBA.

You misunderstood. I'm not saying that the Zards will bring in another a vet PG. What I'm saying is that either Ish (who's under contract) or Napier, who I prefer, would get minutes ahead of Hayes.


Still the question isn't this year, the question is over the player's career. Hayes fits the profile of the kind of character and talent Tommy looks for. He is a solid quiet hard worker who happens to have a ton of talent and advanced understanding of the game at a young age. As an understudy for Beal and Wall he can pick up a great deal. To this point we have had no back up to Beal at the offguard spot. Currently we are betting on Troy developing a jumper to fill that role. Would it be good to have another 6'5" ballhandling guard with a smooth shot? I think this squad would be an ideal graduate school for the young pro. We have seen the error of having zero developing talent behind our starters. Hell last year was the first time in forever that we had decent depth at point. Unless you count Gil and Wall together. Either way we are putting a lot of weight on a 30 year old's PG's rebuilt leg. There will be additional guard minutes available if the team is smart and has monitored restrictions on Wall's workload. That's just at point. I can't think of a time when we have ever had 2 good shooting guards. Aside from Larry and Gil playing together, since together they were the birth of the combo guard era.

If Hayes is the best talent on the board, I don't hate the pick. If he is good enough then maybe he makes Ish a solid trading piece. If he is truly good enough then it provides insurance if, for whatever reason, we don't have the services of our all star pair.

This makes perfect sense. It also recognizes that we are a rebuilding team. That is what we are -- & how could we not be? The fact that we have Brad & John doesn't change that one bit.
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Post#273 » by payitforward » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:04 pm

DCZards wrote:...I have to believe that BB would prefer that the Zards draft a player who is talented, and likely just as high character and hard working as Hayes. But also someone who fills a critical and immediate need--like Okongwu and Achiuwa. ....

Yup... & give me a refill at #37 please! :)

But... first let's straighten out the "talented, ...high character & hard working" part. I.e. who's the best overall prospect? If that's Hayes, you don't draft someone else b/c he's almost as good. & if there's someone you think is a better overall prospect than Hayes... draft him!

BB is a very smart & savvy fellow. He understands that if you draft the highest value player you have also drafted the best guy for the franchise. There are lots of minutes, & there are lots of lineups you can use.

Plus, if I'm Brad... do I really want to keep leading the league in minutes? I don't think so. It shortens your career to do that.

IOW, I'd be extremely surprised if picking Hayes would seem problematic to Brad. Or John.
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#274 » by payitforward » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:11 pm

Endless Loop wrote:...To be a great GM, you sometimes have to do things that are outside the consensus. ... I don't know if Rui last year was really the consensus pick at the Wizard's slot. I think it was pretty ballsy of Tommy to make that pick.

If the pick this year is a safe, conventional one, then there's a good chance that the draft process for the Wizards was a consensus process. That sort of process usually leads to mediocrity.

Another very interesting perspective.

Hey, we are getting some high value thinking in this final run-up to the draft! Don't you guys go away after this week, ok? Stick around!!
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#275 » by Ed Wood » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:17 pm

I don't disagree that having Achiuwa as a best value proposition at 9 is something somebody could reasonably feel with the Wizards on the clock tomorrow. It's not something I will, because it doesn't square with my view of Achiuwa as a prospect, but I am hardly the last word on the matter. I was more generally observing that people tend to have somewhat internally inconsistent bands of tolerance for papering over the flaws in prospects - Achiuwa is easy enough for me to turn to for that illustration because I'm distinctly lower on him than a fair few of the rest of us.

Admittedly not especially relatedly - it is interesting to me that being "late to the game" is essentially universally attached to a player with positive connotations. I understand the second verse to that couplet - less prior experience to get them to where they are promises more opportunity to get farther with time forthcoming. That said, in almost any other context the same background would essentially just be a disadvantage - less time in the game in aggregate and less during important developmental years. It's just interesting how narrative can shape evidence (which I am by no means immune to).
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#276 » by NatP4 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:44 pm

So who do we want guys? I have watched no college basketball over the last year, have no clue about any of these players.
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Post#277 » by Ruzious » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:45 pm

New Poku measurements are here viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2017620

Height without shoes = 7'0 1/4"

Height with shoes = 7'1 1/2"

Wingspan = 7'5"

Standing reach = 9'4"

Weight = 211 pounds


The 211 lbs is very encouraging. He might be able to contribute as a rookie. He arguably has the highest upside in this draft - though I think Hayes' is a little higher.
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Post#278 » by WizarDynasty » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:18 pm

Ed Wood wrote:I don't disagree that having Achiuwa as a best value proposition at 9 is something somebody gcould reasonably feel with the Wizards on the clock tomorrow. It's not something I will, because it doesn't square with my view of Achiuwa as a prospect, but I am hardly the last word on the matter. I was more generally observing that people tend to have somewhat internally inconsistent bands of tolerance for papering over the flaws in prospects - Achiuwa is easy enough for me to turn to for that illustration because I'm distinctly lower on him than a fair few of the rest of us.

Admittedly not especially relatedly - it is interesting to me that being "late to the game" is essentially universally attached to a player with positive connotations. I understand the second verse to that couplet - less prior experience to get them to where they are promises more opportunity to get farther with time forthcoming. That said, in almost any other context the same background would essentially just be a disadvantage - less time in the game in aggregate and less during important developmental years. It's just interesting how narrative can shape evidence (which I am by no means immune to).

It's his being late to the game that makes him a freak.
Normally guys that size are pegged as centers and are slow footed because they are forced into the post. they are given the opportunity to develop their speed and agility. They are usually forced into body banging and lower leg strength. If you look at his foot movement, it is very atypical of a guy with a 9'2 standing reach. His motor is also very unusual for a post player.
You can also see with his touch around the basket that he hasn't been shooting close range shots all of his life. But the elite first step, the response to other players and seeing ball movement and tracking angles, he shows all of that. He also reads the other players motions and responds well, probably a trait developed through soccer. His speeding up and down the court is a feature of soccer, Big man are never pushed to run up and down the court and break neck speed. Certainly not a player with a 9'2 wingspan.
Again the guy is freak, if you ever played fantasy basketball, there are certain traits that make a player help you win a league. When you see certain combination of stats such as high field goal percentage, high rebounds, and high free throw percentage and high blocks, you are dealing with a very unusual player. Usually players that get alot of rebounds typically are poor free throw shooters. A player with high field goal percentage usually does shoot a high volume of threes but steph curry...shooting 300 3 pointers and still close to .50 shooting is amazing.
Achiuwa has traits along the line of a curry or a ad. AD shoots high free throw percentage and high field goal percentage with volume adn blocks shots. Very rare to find that in NBA. Achiuwa has guard feet, 9'2 standing reach, a high motor for fighting for rebounds, and he glues his team together non verbally. Most teams don't have John Wall as point guard and bradley beal...combined with poor perimeter defense and rebounding needs.
We traded for Trevor Ariza for this exact reason and fortunately the player we need is being undervalued and drops to us because teams in front of us aren't at the development point of the wizards. Wizards have worked very hard for decades and drafts years just to get to this point.
I think Leonsis will understand this dynamic. He has built the capitals into a championship team. And his wizards are on the brink of domination. We have the player we need, media attention can't force us to take on edwards, wiseman, and bell...who really aren't good fits for this team. Edwards mimics beal, wiseman is 4 years off...and has no desire to bang in post and rebound, and ball is duplication of wall. Alot dynamics, let's just hope Shepherd doesn't try to get cute and think that Achiuwa is going to fall because the others GM's are dumb. Many people wanted to get Paul George picked at 10 in 2010. There hasn't been a player like paul 8'11 standing reach defensive lockdown...with guard feet and offensive upside...-- K.Leonard...maybe..arguable...otto porter 8'9 standing reach...still 5 inches below 9'2...we all see how that worked out...Grunfeld tried with OUbre...but oubre was only 8'6 standing reach..almost 6 inches shorter than achiuwa

brandon ingram 9'1 standing reach..he went 2nd overall in the draft. then ben simmons 9'1 standing reach. 1st overall. Johnathan issac standing reach over 9ft. jayson tatum 8'11 standing reach.

We as wizards fans at pick 9 are in a very rare position where a player with 9ft plus standing reach is available at position 9. Historically a player like this is easily gone by our pick. Aberrations for conditions of the draft have put players above him but it should not decrease his inherent value in our eyes as washington wizards fans who consume the game. A player like this with 9'0 standing reach and elite defense has not been available for over a decade in the draft due to us being to good, or there was another position of need that was more important like drafting wall or Paul George.
So trading down and trusting that other GM's have reported to the NBA who they are going to pick and thus the pick order is set? From my understanding this is the only way to ensure that you get guy who is normally gone in most drafts.
Players with elite foot speed and standing reach are retain their value as they age. hopefully Leonsis ensures that Shepherd not gamble and convince him that there are other players even close to AChiuwa in value...as long as Achiuwa doesn't have a huge mental problem like aka Royce White.. airplane fear...or anti social can't get along with team mates.. I think Leonsis can start to see the how it all connects.
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#279 » by WizarDynasty » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:28 pm

Ruzious wrote:New Poku measurements are here viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2017620

Height without shoes = 7'0 1/4"

Height with shoes = 7'1 1/2"

Wingspan = 7'5"

Standing reach = 9'4"

Weight = 211 pounds


The 211 lbs is very encouraging. He might be able to contribute as a rookie. He arguably has the highest upside in this draft - though I think Hayes' is a little higher.


Doesn't have great hip bend defensively. I wanted to see something like Andrei Kirilenko. Doesn't have elite first step. He has nice shot if left wide open. I don't see the elite footspeed, or above average footspeed being that he 211. He is only going to get slower with added weight. I was expecting to see something like Kirilenko He should be lightening quick. I would take a mid to late 2nd rounder on him and stash him away to see how he develops but no elite first step and poor hip bend offensively and defensively neutralize his outstanding standing reach.
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#280 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:33 am

doclinkin wrote:
prime1time wrote:Are we betting on Brown Jr. filling that role? Looks like we are still trying to figure it out. Brown Jr. always struck me as a wing.


The front office has envisioned TBJ as a big Point guard. Troy also has said he expects to he playing on the perimeter more often and is working on his 3 ball so he can be more skilled in motion and coming off screens etc in the catch and shoot. He has been working on his laterality because he said the team will need him to be able to guard the perimeter if so. He has shown leadership skills and the team likes seeing him run the 2nd squad, even if he is younger than anyone on the team except Bonga. That suggest point guard, but he will need to at times be able to play next to Wall, since we really have no one behind Bradley aside from Ish, who basically plays like John Wall Jr.



Don't forget about Robinson. I think our F.O. & coaching staff really thinks highly of him.
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