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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#601 » by SupremeHustle » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:08 pm

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He's not Rubio or Paul as a passer but he has years of practice lobbing to Davis.


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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#602 » by emunney » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:10 pm

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Haha... that is a good silver lining. We would be able to root for a bonk team in earnest and not have to worry screwing up our pick.


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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#603 » by MKE_Beers » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:11 pm

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Celtics reportedly offered Gordon and their 3 picks in the 2020 draft for Jrue. I guess that's why we had to overpay. Oddly makes me feel better about giving up so much.
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#604 » by Pachinko_ » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:15 pm

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Read on Twitter
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Celtics reportedly offered Gordon and their 3 picks in the 2020 draft for Jrue. I guess that's why we had to overpay. Oddly makes me feel better about giving up so much.

Ιt means someone other than Horst has also done their due diligence on the player and decided he's worth a package
makes me feel better as well, we can't afford any nasty surprises with hidden injuries or whatever
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#605 » by tedbrogen » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:15 pm

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AussieBuck wrote:
neiLz wrote:Serious questions : Can Jrue throw an accurate lob? Can Jrue Run a fast break? Can Jrue run a pick and roll? Can Jrue throw an entry pass? If yes - great trade.

He's not Rubio or Paul as a passer but he has years of practice lobbing to Davis.


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That's a better lob than Bledsoe has ever thrown.
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#606 » by Fotis St » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:21 pm

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Fotis St wrote:Stupid deal ... classic Bucks I guess... Don't sign the supermax Giannis , its a trap...


I feel much better about this now.

Also, change your avatar.


I didn't say leave the Bucks or ask for a trade ... my point is keep the FO on check till next summer, we could need to make changes mid season and expiring Giannis is the pressure to our FO to keep improving...
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#607 » by Daver » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:21 pm

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Read on Twitter
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Celtics reportedly offered Gordon and their 3 picks in the 2020 draft for Jrue. I guess that's why we had to overpay. Oddly makes me feel better about giving up so much.




Hard to imagine the pels saying no to that celts offer and taking the bucks one instead I mean wow weren't all 3 of those picks in tomorrow nights draft
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#608 » by ajb905 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:22 pm

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Read on Twitter
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Celtics reportedly offered Gordon and their 3 picks in the 2020 draft for Jrue. I guess that's why we had to overpay. Oddly makes me feel better about giving up so much.


14, 26, and 30 in this draft is much less value than those late year unprotecteds and pick swaps from a future Bucks.

Giannis and Co. can sustain success for 7 years and we can hope the 2 future picks end up being late round selections (and swaps) even last picks in the draft since the dynasty keeps getting chips into the future.
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#609 » by bucksfansince88 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:30 pm

Giannis will be off the Ball a lot more this season, looking forward to watching him dominate in PnR with Jrue, BB, and Middleton. Bud is under investigation all season he has to adapt, Horst did his job
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#610 » by drew881 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:31 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:
MKE_Beers wrote:
Read on Twitter
?s=21

Celtics reportedly offered Gordon and their 3 picks in the 2020 draft for Jrue. I guess that's why we had to overpay. Oddly makes me feel better about giving up so much.

Ιt means someone other than Horst has also done their due diligence on the player and decided he's worth a package
makes me feel better as well, we can't afford any nasty surprises with hidden injuries or whatever


Or Ainge drove the price up?
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#611 » by Gianstoppable » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:33 pm

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MKE_Beers wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Celtics reportedly offered Gordon and their 3 picks in the 2020 draft for Jrue. I guess that's why we had to overpay. Oddly makes me feel better about giving up so much.


14, 26, and 30 in this draft is much less value than those late year unprotecteds and pick swaps from a future Bucks.

Giannis and Co. can sustain success for 7 years and we can hope the 2 future picks end up being late round selections (and swaps) even last picks in the draft since the dynasty keeps getting chips into the future.

Pretty good chance the pick swaps dont even transpire. I mean sure the Pelicans could be really good eventually but there is a better chance the Bucks have a better team
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#612 » by Gianstoppable » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:34 pm

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Pachinko_ wrote:
MKE_Beers wrote:
Read on Twitter
?s=21

Celtics reportedly offered Gordon and their 3 picks in the 2020 draft for Jrue. I guess that's why we had to overpay. Oddly makes me feel better about giving up so much.

Ιt means someone other than Horst has also done their due diligence on the player and decided he's worth a package
makes me feel better as well, we can't afford any nasty surprises with hidden injuries or whatever


Or Ainge drove the price up?

or Jrue is just a really good underrated player
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#613 » by Pachinko_ » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:34 pm

drew881 wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:
MKE_Beers wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Celtics reportedly offered Gordon and their 3 picks in the 2020 draft for Jrue. I guess that's why we had to overpay. Oddly makes me feel better about giving up so much.

Ιt means someone other than Horst has also done their due diligence on the player and decided he's worth a package
makes me feel better as well, we can't afford any nasty surprises with hidden injuries or whatever


Or Ainge drove the price up?

probably both
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#614 » by BucksFanSD » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:34 pm

Thanks Memphis for winning games this year and giving Boston pick #14 vice a top 5 pick.
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#615 » by Nowak008 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:48 pm

That sounds like a bunch BS about Boston spin to me.
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Post#616 » by agiaco » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:48 pm

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agiaco wrote:It's important to not get too caught up in draft picks. Especially if they're all late first-rounders. This move not only makes the team significantly better, it likely is the catalyst that will keep Giannis on the Bucks for a long time. Holiday checks just about every box for a guard the Bucks need. He's a better defender than Bledsoe and better offensively. He's also a great guy and should mesh well with the core.

At this point with the way the starting 5 is looking, I have no doubt the Bucks will sign a handful of very solid vets looking to compete for a ring. Plus any time you have that much talent in 5 guys, they can work to plug-and-play some younger talent that could fit in even if it's a couple of the second rounders this year or G-League talent.


Yes for sure, as long as Giannis resigns and/or doesn't get hurt the picks aren't a big deal (while still being a clear overpay). It's the potential that both stars could be gone this offseason at which point we'd be the joke everyone makes fun of like BKN a few years ago. They have to know or at least be supremely confident he's staying to do this, they just have to.


I have to imagine both trades were shared with Giannis and maybe those are even two guys he suggested they pursue. They did exactly what he wanted. Make moves to improve the team significantly to show they are serious about keeping him around for years to come.
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#617 » by Nowak008 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:58 pm

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emunney wrote:Yep, if this goes south, we become the Nets-like spoiler, gunking up offseasons by throwing unreasonable contracts at marginal young players. Frankly for the type of fan I am, this would be very interesting and not entirely bad, and we would have a lot of fun and laughter here as we junked our way through multiple 35 win seasons on the back of Old Man Middleton and like Max Contract Mojave King (who is a real player, and not a Nevada car wash).


Haha... that is a good silver lining. We would be able to root for a bonk team in earnest and not have to worry screwing up our pick.


Every win would be hilarious!


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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#618 » by blazza18 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:57 pm

Late to this since I'm only just seeing the full compensation. That unprotected 2027 pick is ugh...

Really is a shame there wasn't that elite player we could go all in on instead of one from that next tier down.
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Re: Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday 

Post#619 » by tedbrogen » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:01 pm

drew881 wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:
MKE_Beers wrote:
Read on Twitter
?s=21

Celtics reportedly offered Gordon and their 3 picks in the 2020 draft for Jrue. I guess that's why we had to overpay. Oddly makes me feel better about giving up so much.

Ιt means someone other than Horst has also done their due diligence on the player and decided he's worth a package
makes me feel better as well, we can't afford any nasty surprises with hidden injuries or whatever


Or Ainge drove the price up?


Nah. Ainge has wanted out of that Gordon contract since the injury. Post-injury he does not fit with what they want to do - quick lineups with pesky, annoying defenders. Gordon is best on offense with the ball in his hands, but same with Kemba, same with Tatum, Smart feels the need to do those weird ISO plays and back opponents down. They have too many offensive players that NEED the ball to get their rhythm. Gordon can no longer play better than average defense, so I am sure they would gladly swap him out for the best defensive player in the league. Think of a Celtics defensive lineup of Jrue, Smart, Brown, Tatum, and Williams. Try scoring against that lineup.
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Post#620 » by tedbrogen » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:05 pm

blazza18 wrote:Late to this since I'm only just seeing the full compensation. That unprotected 2027 pick is ugh...

Really is a shame there wasn't that elite player we could go all in on instead of one from that next tier down.


According to multiple NBA players he is the best defensive guard in the league. He is absolutely elite on one side of the ball while being above average on the other. He is replacing another PG who was elite defensively but completely unplayable offensively in the playoffs. It is an absolute upgrade at an extremely important position.

Going from Playoff Bledsoe to Jrue is a big deal. If they had done this two years ago, they would have beaten the Raps and won the title.

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