Fixing the Mess Pt. 2 Sixers Offseason

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[FireMorey]

Fertitta would turn down Simmons+ if it was the best offer out of spite?

That's something you'd see in Curb Your Enthusiasm, not in pro sports.

If any GM ever did something like that, they'd be fired the next day.

[eyeatoma]

Fertitta would turn down Simmons+ if it was the best offer out of spite?

That's something you'd see in Curb Your Enthusiasm, not in pro sports.

If any GM ever did something like that, they'd be fired the next day.

I mean he's the owner. He can do what he wants.

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[Negrodamus]

Fertitta would turn down Simmons+ if it was the best offer out of spite?

That's something you'd see in Curb Your Enthusiasm, not in pro sports.

If any GM ever did something like that, they'd be fired the next day.

I think the human element gets way underrated in all trades and decisions in the NBA.

[FireMorey]

Fertitta would turn down Simmons+ if it was the best offer out of spite?

That's something you'd see in Curb Your Enthusiasm, not in pro sports.

If any GM ever did something like that, they'd be fired the next day.

I mean he's the owner. He can do what he wants.

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I got Stone and Fertitta mixed up.

Regardless, it would be incredibly childish, but we'll see what they do I guess.

[eyeatoma]

Kevin O’Connor LOL!!!

Haha I hope so...

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[sixers4real]

I don’t really care anymore. I don’t see how the Sixers can compete with Bucks or Nets with Harden in the next 3-4 years. By the time KD and Harden start their decline, one of Simmons Embiid will demand a trade a we will need another rebuild.

I love Simmons Embiid, and I trust Morey and kinda like Doc Rivers.
But there is no joy anymore.

I think we should’ve jumped on the Harden for Simmons + Horford + picks trade. That was our only chance of winning the title in the nearest future.

[sixers4real]

The overreactions are hilarious to me. Its 36 hours into the "new season" not one trade that was made hasnt been an overpayment. Morey isnt dumb and isnt going to mortgage the future for mid-level type guys. They still are not willing to part with Ben so Harden isnt happening right now. They will make a move or two after the draft and the new year begins. The sooner some people realize that this team wont look much different, the easier it will be for those people to accept the reality of the situation. They have untradeable contracts but want to see how these guys fit with a new coaching staff.

I understand that Morey is staying put. Let’s be real, the Bucks were a better team last season and they needed to do some big moves in order to become even better. And they did. It’s obviously a better roster right row.

But are so far behind in terms on contending, so what Morey is doing, he basically telling us all:
We are not going to be contenders until Horford contract becomes expiring, so that’s at least 2 more years.

The ownership havr two ways now:
A. wait 2-3 years until some bad contacts run out, make some small trades and HOPE that Simmons does not demand a trade during these years and HOPE that Embiid does not demand a trade or gets a career ending injury.
B. Trade Simmons for Harden and try to win now.

They choose option A. We are not competing with Bucks, Lakers, Clippers, Nets (with Harden) in the next 2-3 years. So we have to wait.

[Sportfan73]

I don’t really care anymore. I don’t see how the Sixers can compete with Bucks or Nets with Harden in the next 3-4 years. By the time KD and Harden start their decline, one of Simmons Embiid will demand a trade a we will need another rebuild.

I love Simmons Embiid, and I trust Morey and kinda like Doc Rivers.
But there is no joy anymore.

I think we should’ve jumped on the Harden for Simmons + Horford + picks trade. That was our only chance of winning the title in the nearest future.

Steps forward from Simmons and Embiid and it’s very possible that jojo>KD and Ben> James within literally a year or two

[sixers4real]

I don’t really care anymore. I don’t see how the Sixers can compete with Bucks or Nets with Harden in the next 3-4 years. By the time KD and Harden start their decline, one of Simmons Embiid will demand a trade a we will need another rebuild.

I love Simmons Embiid, and I trust Morey and kinda like Doc Rivers.
But there is no joy anymore.

I think we should’ve jumped on the Harden for Simmons + Horford + picks trade. That was our only chance of winning the title in the nearest future.

Steps forward from Simmons and Embiid and it’s very possible that jojo>KD and Ben> James within literally a year or two

So you’re saying both Simmons and Embiid will be top 5-7 NBA superstars in a year or two? Really?

[76thBearCub]

The league is pretty much broken if a guy under contract for 2 years can not only demand a trade but demand it be 1 specific team.

\meh

The rockets have reached their ceiling and have no real room for improvement. They tried everything and due to poor luck didn't make it. Harden wanting out of that at 32 isn't that much of a surprise.

We want our best players to want to win but when they try to force their way to do so, people push back. The fact that Charles Barkley gets clowned on nightly because "he aint go no rangz" has created this.

It's not the demanding a trade part. It's the 1 particular team part that gets me. I don't give a crap if the Rockets get ripped off. And I never assumed we were getting Harden. I just think its a terrible precedent being set.

[Sportfan73]

I don’t really care anymore. I don’t see how the Sixers can compete with Bucks or Nets with Harden in the next 3-4 years. By the time KD and Harden start their decline, one of Simmons Embiid will demand a trade a we will need another rebuild.

I love Simmons Embiid, and I trust Morey and kinda like Doc Rivers.
But there is no joy anymore.

I think we should’ve jumped on the Harden for Simmons + Horford + picks trade. That was our only chance of winning the title in the nearest future.

Steps forward from Simmons and Embiid and it’s very possible that jojo>KD and Ben> James within literally a year or two

So you’re saying both Simmons and Embiid will be top 5-7 NBA superstars in a year or two? Really?

Let’s see they are already top what 10 and 15? So yeah, I am saying that IF they take a step that’s where we’re at. Y’all are being HELLA short sighted on this

[Sportfan73]

Guess that it’s darkest before the dawn. Supporting cast doesn’t mean half of what those two taking another step does

[Sportfan73]

Give me buddy or lavine, keep josh, shake, and Matisse around and let’s run it. Y’all will see

[sixers4real]

Steps forward from Simmons and Embiid and it’s very possible that jojo>KD and Ben> James within literally a year or two

So you’re saying both Simmons and Embiid will be top 5-7 NBA superstars in a year or two? Really?

Let’s see they are already top what 10 and 15? So yeah, I am saying that IF they take a step that’s where we’re at. Y’all are being HELLA short sighted on this

How did two top 15 NBA players got us only 6th seeded in the East?

[Arsenal]

Yeah I don't understand the doomsaying and moaning. Half the reason we got Morey is to STOP DOING STUPID ISH that we've done the past 4 years. On that note mission accomplished so far lol.

The good positive moves will come with time and opportunity, neither of which you can force.

[sixers hoops]

you can't force people to make deals with you lol.

many of these deals have been overpays as well.

again this idea that we were going to fix **** overnight and win a chip right away was always fantasy land

I wasn't assuming that, but you can force a trade yourself, if you have the pieces (Simmons), and now it could have a significant impact. Would we be favorites? No, but we would be close to contenders, and you could fill the roster out over the next year or two...I just don't understand what we have in the last 4 years to indicate that Simmons will be any different for the next 4 years. He hasn't improved anywhere except for defense, and that even went for **** in the bubble. On top of that he's coming off two injuries where he missed a decent amount of time. It's possible he's never the same again, yet we want to stick with him, because we have Doc Rivers, who constantly caters to players and their whims, and has given up tons of 3-1 leads.

A lot of this is frustration for me. I am happy we have Rivers and Morey. but this feels like an ownership/Scott O'Neil decision to not get rid of SImmons.

If we don't significantly improve by the trade deadline Jo is going to ask for a trade.

its one thing to try again with embiid and simmons with a new roster that FITS around them, its completely different to try again with this trash fitting roster

simmons and embiid do not fit, but the DEF dont fit with other PF's and C's on the roster smfh

Even to run it back with a different coach, the roster need to be tweaked. Morey is in a tough spot with no cap space, two pretty bad contracts, and some ill-fitting players. It’s funny that he is working with Brand to undo Brand’s horrible mistakes.

If they don’t plan to offer Ben for Harden, then they have to sort through to best utilizing their current talent, and it all starts with Embiid.

After Embiid, you have to figure out what is Ben Simmons best role on a championship team. In my opinion, it’s prob defending small forwards, running the break off the rebound, posting up, getting to the basket in transition, running the point against certain matchups. However, without improving his jumper and getting to the line more, he is limited offensively, so we can not go into the season calling him our point guard.

If Tobias is here, they likely want him guarding fours and provide some spacing on offense. So regardless of which forward position you assign Ben or Tobias to, they those three are prob your front court.

Josh Richardson is a bad fit with those three. Thybulle and Milton wouldn’t be ideal starters with those three. Hortford is a bad fit with those three.

I think Morey may try to move Josh and Horford for better fitting backcourt players, and see what Doc can do with the group. If they trade Hortford and Josh for players like Hield and Dinwiddie, or something like that, it may be the temporary backcourt fix to get us through next year.

Morey may prefer that level of retooling to trading Ben and dumping a bunch of future firsts to get a Jrue, Harden, or Chris Paul.

[Arsenal]

So you’re saying both Simmons and Embiid will be top 5-7 NBA superstars in a year or two? Really?

Let’s see they are already top what 10 and 15? So yeah, I am saying that IF they take a step that’s where we’re at. Y’all are being HELLA short sighted on this

How did two top 15 NBA players got us only 6th seeded in the East?

East was heavily bunched last year so seedings can be misleading. We were the 3 seed the previous 2 seasons.

Right now I'd say Embiid is a top 12 player. He has top 5 potential.

Right now Ben is a top 25 player. He has top 10 potential.

Hopefully they get there soon.

[eyeatoma]

Yeah I don't understand the doomsaying and moaning. Half the reason we got Morey is to STOP DOING STUPID ISH that we've done the past 4 years. On that note mission accomplished so far lol.

The good positive moves will come with time and opportunity, neither of which you can force.

How is trading Harden for Simmons stupid? What indication have you seen that Simmons will rise to the moment?

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[FireMorey]

Yes, Simmons is not top 15, he's top 25 though.

Morey is in a tough spot. Right now their championship window is nonexistent. They have no chance to win with this current core realistically with what they could trade for or add.

Harden gives them a window, but probably not a huge one. Although in fairness, the Lakers' roster outside of Lebron and Davis absolutely blows, so anything is possible.

Simmons and Embiid have already proven they aren't good enough alone to win a title. They need to be paired with a top 10 talent to make that happen. Will they be able to land a top 10 talent at some point in the future if they pass on Harden? Will Embiid and/or Simmons even be here when that next opportunity arises?(if it does).

I've always felt that one more disappointing season will have Embiid wanting the first ticket out of Philly. without Harden and with only window-dressing moves, the next season will surely be another disappointing season. People can say that adding Rivers and Morey reassured Embiid, and maybe it did... for now. But after the long grind of a season that is going to end in failure, who knows how Embiid will feel 6 months from now?

I think Harden at least keeps Embiid happy, along with giving them a championship window.

I think the most probable scenario if they don't trade for Harden is they stay as a 4-6 seed for the next few seasons. One of Embiid or Simmons leave at some point, and they start another semi rebuild.