Fixing the Mess Pt. 2 Sixers Offseason

[Negrodamus]

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Next shoe to drop.

[Arsenal]

Yeah I don't understand the doomsaying and moaning. Half the reason we got Morey is to STOP DOING STUPID ISH that we've done the past 4 years. On that note mission accomplished so far lol.

The good positive moves will come with time and opportunity, neither of which you can force.

How is trading Harden for Simmons stupid? What indication have you seen they Simmons will rise to the moment?

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I didn't say trading Simmons for Harden is stupid. But all these others deals that have already happened? Yeah, HELLA STUPID. Thank god we aren't the team making those mistakes anymore.

I don't have any indication Simmons will rise. Morey, Doc, and the crew are the ones who would know. I have no doubt Ben has been put on notice about his refusal to shoot. Uncle Brett isn't here to coddle him anymore.

[VDT]

Yeah I don't understand the doomsaying and moaning. Half the reason we got Morey is to STOP DOING STUPID ISH that we've done the past 4 years. On that note mission accomplished so far lol.

The good positive moves will come with time and opportunity, neither of which you can force.

The Sixers dont have infinite time. Embiid is 26 and the team still hasnt tried to build anything sensible around him. How long is he going to wait? And how many more prime years do we think he has left? Similarly, Simmons might also want a team that makes him look better and plays to his strengths. I am pretty sure he is tired of people commenting on his shot all the time. Harris and Horford have also issues with their roles. I am not sure any player wants to run it back and if the next year is similar to the last, the Sixers might be forced to trade one of Embiid and Simmons and likely get much less than now.

[DT RAW]

2 top 15 players plus 3 other solid if not good nba players around them couldnt do better than the 6 seed???

LOLOL ya no. Thry are both not top 15 players. 1 is. 1 clearly is not

[eyeatoma]

Yeah I don't understand the doomsaying and moaning. Half the reason we got Morey is to STOP DOING STUPID ISH that we've done the past 4 years. On that note mission accomplished so far lol.

The good positive moves will come with time and opportunity, neither of which you can force.

How is trading Harden for Simmons stupid? What indication have you seen they Simmons will rise to the moment?

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I didn't say trading Simmons for Harden is stupid. But all these others deals that have already happened? Yeah, HELLA STUPID. Thank god we aren't the team making those mistakes anymore.

I don't have any indication Simmons will rise. Morey, Doc, and the crew are the ones who would know. I have no doubt Ben has been put on notice about his refusal to shoot. Uncle Brett isn't here to coddle him anymore.

Yeah I haven't advocated for those. My main gripe is not getting Harden if we actually can.

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[Arsenal]

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Next shoe to drop.

I wonder if the Rockets try to convince Harden to stay by getting Wall, assuming he's healthy and back to normal. I think he's a better fit than Westbrook.

[eyeatoma]

Yes, Simmons is not top 15, he's top 25 though.

Morey is in a tough spot. Right now their championship window is nonexistent. They have no chance to win with this current core realistically with what they could trade for or add.

Harden gives them a window, but probably not a huge one. Although in fairness, the Lakers' roster outside of Lebron and Davis absolutely blows, so anything is possible.

Simmons and Embiid have already proven they aren't good enough alone to win a title. They need to be paired with a top 10 talent to make that happen. Will they be able to land a top 10 talent at some point in the future if they pass on Harden? Will Embiid and/or Simmons even be here when that next opportunity arises?(if it does).

I've always felt that one more disappointing season will have Embiid wanting the first ticket out of Philly. without Harden and with only window-dressing moves, the next season will surely be another disappointing season. People can say that adding Rivers and Morey reassured Embiid, and maybe it did... for now. But after the long grind of a season that is going to end in failure, who knows how Embiid will feel 6 months from now?

I think Harden at least keeps Embiid happy, along with giving them a championship window.

I think the most probable scenario if they don't trade for Harden is they stay as a 4-6 seed for the next few seasons. One of Embiid or Simmons leave at some point, and they start another semi rebuild.

100% agree with everything said here...

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[Arsenal]

2 top 15 players plus 3 other solid if not good nba players around them couldnt do better than the 6 seed???

LOLOL ya no. Thry are both not top 15 players. 1 is. 1 clearly is not

Learn to read then come back and edit your comment son.

[Arsenal]

Yeah I don't understand the doomsaying and moaning. Half the reason we got Morey is to STOP DOING STUPID ISH that we've done the past 4 years. On that note mission accomplished so far lol.

The good positive moves will come with time and opportunity, neither of which you can force.

The Sixers dont have infinite time. Embiid is 26 and the team still hasnt tried to build anything sensible around him. How long is he going to wait? And how many more prime years do we think he has left? Similarly, Simmons might also want a team that makes him look better and plays to his strengths. I am pretty sure he is tired of people commenting on his shot all the time. Harris and Horford have also issues with their roles. I am not sure any player wants to run it back and if the next year is similar to the last, the Sixers might be forced to trade one of Embiid and Simmons and likely get much less than now.

It's Morey's job to get these guys to buy into the plan. That's why he's here.

As for not having infinite time, no team does. But that RUSH THE PROCESS mentality is what brought ruin to a once fantastic setup by Santa Hinkie with 3 years.

Daryl Morey isn't here to continue the same foolishness.

[Arsenal]

It would be fantastic for us if Gordon Hayward walks for nothing in a couple of days. Looks like he's giving Danny Boy 2 more days to trade him to Indiana otherwise he walks.

[Negrodamus]

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Next shoe to drop.

I wonder if the Rockets try to convince Harden to stay by getting Wall, assuming he's healthy and back to normal. I think he's a better fit than Westbrook.

I love the idea of Frittata making yearly PG tributes to Harden hoping to please him.

[Arsenal]

It would be fantastic for us if Gordon Hayward walks for nothing in a couple of days. Looks like he's giving Danny Boy 2 more days to trade him to Indiana otherwise he walks.

As a follow up to this, Morey should be in on Hayward. Use Horford as the bait for the sign & trade. Assuming he colludes w/Gordon and gets him on board, would Danny boy let him walk for nothing? Or take back Horford instead? I think he may take Horford if its that or nothing.

[Sportfan73]

Yes, Simmons is not top 15, he's top 25 though.

Morey is in a tough spot. Right now their championship window is nonexistent. They have no chance to win with this current core realistically with what they could trade for or add.

Harden gives them a window, but probably not a huge one. Although in fairness, the Lakers' roster outside of Lebron and Davis absolutely blows, so anything is possible.

Simmons and Embiid have already proven they aren't good enough alone to win a title. They need to be paired with a top 10 talent to make that happen. Will they be able to land a top 10 talent at some point in the future if they pass on Harden? Will Embiid and/or Simmons even be here when that next opportunity arises?(if it does).

I've always felt that one more disappointing season will have Embiid wanting the first ticket out of Philly. without Harden and with only window-dressing moves, the next season will surely be another disappointing season. People can say that adding Rivers and Morey reassured Embiid, and maybe it did... for now. But after the long grind of a season that is going to end in failure, who knows how Embiid will feel 6 months from now?

I think Harden at least keeps Embiid happy, along with giving them a championship window.

I think the most probable scenario if they don't trade for Harden is they stay as a 4-6 seed for the next few seasons. One of Embiid or Simmons leave at some point, and they start another semi rebuild.

See this thinking I don’t understand. They “proved they aren’t good enough” in their first 2 years ever in the playoffs and first 5 or less years ever in the league no where near their peak? How? Did brown and Tatum prove the same then? It’s been just as long for them. Two playoff losses in Ben’s first two seasons doesn’t constitute proving he can’t win. Not even REMOTELY. Did we write off bron that quick? Or better yet Steph and klay? Did they win in their first 2?

[Negrodamus]

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Interesting thread.

[stormi]

So his son has indirectly confirmed what we've pretty much knew. the Houston Rockets are on their hands and knees for Ben Simmons, and (as per Shams) Morey isn't willing.

So we're going to hear a lot of "Deal is 99.9% complete with the Brooklyn Nets!!!!" stories for the next little while lol

[eyeatoma]

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Interesting thread.

From what fl311 said though, if we offered Simmons the deal would already be done. So it sounds like we're not offering him or we're posturing.

If we're not then I'm disappointed in Morey to be honest. This is exactly the kind of deal he would make, when he looks at championship percentages.

[eyeatoma]

So his son has indirectly confirmed what we've pretty much knew. the Houston Rockets are on their hands and knees for Ben Simmons, and (as per Shams) Morey isn't willing.

So we're going to hear a lot of "Deal is 99.9% complete with the Brooklyn Nets!!!!" stories for the next little while lol

Yeah this is good news. I mean good on Morey if he's trying to get the Rockets to cave, but if push comes to shove it's time to part with Ben.

[Arsenal]

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Interesting thread.

Good intel. If Tilman listens to his son (who is an exec in the org), they should take the best offer. Which Ben would no doubt be if offered.

[VDT]

Yeah I don't understand the doomsaying and moaning. Half the reason we got Morey is to STOP DOING STUPID ISH that we've done the past 4 years. On that note mission accomplished so far lol.

The good positive moves will come with time and opportunity, neither of which you can force.

The Sixers dont have infinite time. Embiid is 26 and the team still hasnt tried to build anything sensible around him. How long is he going to wait? And how many more prime years do we think he has left? Similarly, Simmons might also want a team that makes him look better and plays to his strengths. I am pretty sure he is tired of people commenting on his shot all the time. Harris and Horford have also issues with their roles. I am not sure any player wants to run it back and if the next year is similar to the last, the Sixers might be forced to trade one of Embiid and Simmons and likely get much less than now.

It's Morey's job to get these guys to buy into the plan. That's why he's here.

As for not having infinite time, no team does. But that RUSH THE PROCESS mentality is what brought ruin to a once fantastic setup by Santa Hinkie with 3 years.

Daryl Morey isn't here to continue the same foolishness.

But what's the plan?

Running it back is not really an option, especially when you have other teams around the league making improvements. The players are not idiots, they can see that the current roster is not competing.

So what is really the plan? If you want to focus on Embiid, the best players to put next to him are Kawhi, Harden and pre injury Durant. The Sixers didnt want to trade for Kawhi 2 years ago. If they refuse to trade for Harden now it would be clear that they dont really have any intention to have a contending team around Embiid. That is something that Embiid sees and since he is getting older and has the looming risk of a serious injury he will be less and less content with the status quo.

Simmons is another misused player. Everyone knew his shooting flaws before the draft yet he is constantly judged based on this weakness. Imo he has limitations but he is still not allowed to reach his potential here. I am pretty sure he is also not happy with the current situation.

The difficulty of Morey's position is that he has to avoid making stupid moves but, at the same time, he has to make moves.

[Arsenal]

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Interesting thread.

From what fl311 said though, if we offered Simmons the deal would already be done. So it sounds like we're not offering him or we're posturing.

If we're not then I'm disappointed in Morey to be honest. This is exactly the kind of deal he would make, when he looks at championship percentages.

All I have to say to this, is THANK GOD we have Daryl Morey. There's no one I'd rather have in this situation.