2020 Pre-Draft Discussion

[stinger14]

Is that straight up, or you also including #3?

There's no way it costs that much to go from #1 to #3

I know this wasn't meant for me, just want to make sure to include pick 17 also

Hornets get:
Pick # 1
Pick # 17

TWolves get:
Pick # 3
????

Miles Bridges. They can swap 17 out for 33 if they want.

That feels MORE than fair to me especially given Minnesota's gaping holes at both forward spots.

It shouldn't take any kind of future 1st if we're including Miles.

I wouldn't trade an unprotected 2021 pick for any pick in this draft, not even Wiseman and I love the dude.

Miles and 2 future seconds was on the board from one of my friends. Very close to yours.

Nobody in my group would give up a future first unprotected. One guy said heavily protected 1st for 2 years, then converts to 2 seconds. Edit: he just changed this

[James Gatz]

I'm wouldn't take the deal but I do think it would have to be:

Hornets trade: 3, 2021 1st (maybe top 4 protected), Miles

Wolves trade: 1, 17

I believe this board overvalues Miles and he could probably be swapped for a late first right now.

[BlackOutBuzz]

Not quite the same thing, but I did try to think of ways to merge a potential trade-up involving Bridges with the rumored ATL/MIN trade from last week that would have 6 moving for 17 and Culver. Not sure about Atlanta here:

MIN out: 1, 17, Culver
MIN in: 3, 6, Bridges

ATL out: 6, 50*
ATL in: 17, Culver

CHA out: 3, Bridges
CHA in: 1, 50*

*50 is included so that Charlotte and Atlanta "touch," making the trade legal (though I haven't ran the contract numbers); but it could also be a future 2nd or something.

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[BlackOutBuzz]

I should add that I don't love the value of using Bridges to move up a spot or two, just saying *if* we went that route.

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[BlackOutBuzz]

I believe this board overvalues Miles and he could probably be swapped for a late first right now.

Forgive the triple post, but this is a point I've been wanting to make. This "weak" draft kinda normalizes somewhere in the late teens/20s; so while I'd hate to trade Miles in a marginal move-up, I'd love to move him for a pick in the 20s.

Denver (22)
Utah (23)
OKC (25, 28)
Boston (26, 30)

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[JMAC3]

I believe this board overvalues Miles and he could probably be swapped for a late first right now.

Forgive the triple post, but this is a point I've been wanting to make. This "weak" draft kinda normalizes somewhere in the late teens/20s; so while I'd hate to trade Miles in a marginal move-up, I'd love to move him for a pick in the 20s.

Denver (22)
Utah (23)
OKC (25, 28)
Boston (26, 30)

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I get people are low on Miles, but that is such a sell low move. Look at the guys picked last year between 22 and 40

Grant Williams, Bazely, Jerome, Little, Windler, Kabengele, Poole, Keldon Johnson, Kevin Porter, Nic Claxton, Okpala, Edwards, Fernando, Silva, Martin, Sirvydis, Gafford, Smailagic, Justin James.

I don't know if there is anyone in that entire group I would do a 1 for 1 swap, not a great percentage when you think it could be anyone of those guys and not just the 1 guy you like....

[BlackOutBuzz]

I'd happily trade him for something higher, just not sure I see it. I don't think he's a longterm fit here and he's only going to lose value as his rookie contract starts to expire. Barring a major leap, of course; which is also less likely to happen here as his best position is likely the same as PJ's.

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[James Gatz]

I'd happily trade him for something higher, just not sure I see it. I don't think he's a longterm fit here and he's only going to lose value as his rookie contract starts to expire. Barring a major leap, of course; which is also less likely to happen here as his best position is likely the same as PJ's.

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I'd probably keep Bridges over a pick in the 20s but if there were certain guys there then I would certainly be interested. I'm with Bob that he isn't a long term fit and his value is at its highest.

Poku, Maxey, Hampton, Bey, probably Banes as well.

[dmutombo321]

^ Huge fan of Saddiq Bey. Think he's better than bridges at the moment. Elite outside shooter, rugged defender and skilled ball handler.. Expect he'll be gone in the 9-13 range though

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[BlackOutBuzz]

I'd happily trade him for something higher, just not sure I see it. I don't think he's a longterm fit here and he's only going to lose value as his rookie contract starts to expire. Barring a major leap, of course; which is also less likely to happen here as his best position is likely the same as PJ's.

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I'd probably keep Bridges over a pick in the 20s but if there were certain guys there then I would certainly be interested. I'm with Bob that he isn't a long term fit and his value is at its highest.

Poku, Maxey, Hampton, Bey, probably Banes as well.

That's kinda the point though, all those you mentioned and more: Hughes, Flynn, Terry, Joe, Reed, Tillman, etc.

There are several quality guys in that middle third and I'd love to have another shot before 32.

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[BigSlam]

What would be the bigger shock tomorrow night?

Ball sliding out of the top 5
Or
Oknogwu being taken in the top 3


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[SWedd523]

I'm going to cheat

Worst Case Scenario

A: Trading future assets to move up
B: Trading down for a lesser prospect
C: Trading for Westbrook

[James Gatz]

What would be the bigger shock tomorrow night?

Ball sliding out of the top 5
Or
Oknogwu being taken in the top 3


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Ball sliding out of top 5. Especially after MJ saying he would take him at 3.

[BigSlam]

What would be the bigger shock tomorrow night?

Ball sliding out of the top 5
Or
Oknogwu being taken in the top 3


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Ball sliding out of top 5. Especially after MJ saying he would take him at 3.

I was listening to a podcast today, I think it was Chad Ford, and he was saying that several front offices don’t have Ball in their 1st, 2nd or even in some cases 3rd tier of prospects.

A lot of front offices apparently don’t believe in him at all.


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[Hornet Mania]

What would be the bigger shock tomorrow night?

Ball sliding out of the top 5
Or
Oknogwu being taken in the top 3


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Ball sliding out of top 5. Especially after MJ saying he would take him at 3.

I was listening to a podcast today, I think it was Chad Ford, and he was saying that several front offices don’t have Ball in their 1st, 2nd or even in some cases 3rd tier of prospects.

A lot of front offices apparently don’t believe in him at all.


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Very easy to believe. It seems like Ball is either going to be really special or a massive bust, I lean toward the latter. Any front office that is even mildly risk-averse will not be giving him serious consideration.

[stinger14]

^ Huge fan of Saddiq Bey. Think he's better than bridges at the moment. Elite outside shooter, rugged defender and skilled ball handler.. Expect he'll be gone in the 9-13 range though

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Saddiq Bey, Tyrell Terry, Desmond Bane, Tyrese Maxey......all players that could be in that late teen, early 20 range that I like and think could play above their actual position

[DY_nasty]

bruh

"To be honest," he says, "I can't watch basketball."

He retells the story about the first time he dunked and how it signaled to him that he was talented and could accomplish something he might not have been able to in football, which was his first love. So that's the direction he went, simple as that, hanging up his cleats. "That's all I needed to see," he says.

So when after that did he get into basketball?

"I'm still not really into it," he says. "I love basketball, yeah. It's what I do."

He's not entirely convincing. He says if he were drafted by the NFL tomorrow, he'd let basketball go. "Because you can do anything on the field," he explains. "You can spike the ball. You can dance. You can do all type of disrespectful stuff." In the NBA, he says, "you can't do any of that. You'll get fined."

He goes on to say that he's an aspiring rapper. He's already recorded a few tracks with his older brother Bubba. So, like Damian Lillard? "But I really can rap," he says. "Dame, talking about -- I don't know what he's talking about. I'm rapping like Lil Baby." He says he won't release any songs until he's established in the NBA.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30321844/the-pain-promise-top-nba-draft-prospect-anthony-edwards

let me like you edwards wtf

[BigSlam]

bruh

"To be honest," he says, "I can't watch basketball."

He retells the story about the first time he dunked and how it signaled to him that he was talented and could accomplish something he might not have been able to in football, which was his first love. So that's the direction he went, simple as that, hanging up his cleats. "That's all I needed to see," he says.

So when after that did he get into basketball?

"I'm still not really into it," he says. "I love basketball, yeah. It's what I do."

He's not entirely convincing. He says if he were drafted by the NFL tomorrow, he'd let basketball go. "Because you can do anything on the field," he explains. "You can spike the ball. You can dance. You can do all type of disrespectful stuff." In the NBA, he says, "you can't do any of that. You'll get fined."

He goes on to say that he's an aspiring rapper. He's already recorded a few tracks with his older brother Bubba. So, like Damian Lillard? "But I really can rap," he says. "Dame, talking about -- I don't know what he's talking about. I'm rapping like Lil Baby." He says he won't release any songs until he's established in the NBA.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30321844/the-pain-promise-top-nba-draft-prospect-anthony-edwards

let me like you edwards wtf

As I was reading that and I found myself hoping that it was an article from a few years ago, but no such luck......


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[amcoolio]

Ball-Wiseman-Edwards is my top 3 in that order

[driveandkick]

I'm going to cheat

Worst Case Scenario

A: Trading future assets to move up
B: Trading down for a lesser prospect
C: Trading for Westbrook

What are we giving up for Westbrook? I'm going to assume it's just a salary dump on our end, at the absolute worst we flip Rozier and Batum for Russ. But they seem hell-bent they will only move him for assets.

I think the easy choice here is answer A. We are finally in a decent situation. There is no point in moving up in this draft, last year there was a clear gap in pick 1 and pick 3. Not this year. We have all our picks and a clean cap sheet coming up. But we still are a long way off from building a contender. So giving up assets in THIS draft would be an embarrassing decision.

Giving up assets for Russ would be a million times worse, though.