Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday - Trade done - Bucks 2022 to CLE unprotected

[drdrG]

According to multiple NBA players he is the best defensive guard in the league. He is absolutely elite on one side of the ball while being above average on the other. He is replacing another PG who was elite defensively but completely unplayable offensively in the playoffs. It is an absolute upgrade at an extremely important position.

Going from Playoff Bledsoe to Jrue is a big deal. If they had done this two years ago, they would have beaten the Raps and won the title.

To further your argument, I don't want to take anything away from Bledsoe who is a fantastic defender but Holiday is clearly better to me. Last year he was switching onto Lebron and doing a reasonable job. He has locked up Booker, Beal and Lillard and is far more switchable than Bledsoe. Much better in isolation at the end of quarters and a much more flexible piece. We've got two elite swiss army knives on defense now.

[raysbookclub]

Bledsoe has the physical tools to be a great defender, but he would sometimes play not-smart defense. Making us yell "What are you doing??" on that end of the court too, not just on offense with his bad decisions and untimely turnovers. Not having a Hill-Brogdon (two smart, steady players on both ends) backcourt option in tight moments hurt the team this year. Looking forward to Jrue who's both athletic and smart.

[blazza18]

According to multiple NBA players he is the best defensive guard in the league. He is absolutely elite on one side of the ball while being above average on the other. He is replacing another PG who was elite defensively but completely unplayable offensively in the playoffs. It is an absolute upgrade at an extremely important position.

Going from Playoff Bledsoe to Jrue is a big deal. If they had done this two years ago, they would have beaten the Raps and won the title.

It's not the be all end all but he's never been an all nba member and hasn't made an all star game since 2013. I can think he's a very good player (which I stated in staying that he was the next tier down from the elite players) and still be lukewarm on going all in on a player at his level and age. It's a legitimate risk imo, one we no doubt had to make given the circumstances we put ourselves in over the years.

[randy84]

To the folks who are saying that the package we have up for Jrue would have been better off being used to acquire an superstar quality player, can you name someone who we could have landed with that package who was better than Jrue? Because I don't think we're getting Harden for that package, and I'm wondering who else would pick up the phone to deal a superstar for 2 years of Bledsoe, Hill, and hopefully some low first rounders?

Chris Paul

[tedbrogen]

According to multiple NBA players he is the best defensive guard in the league. He is absolutely elite on one side of the ball while being above average on the other. He is replacing another PG who was elite defensively but completely unplayable offensively in the playoffs. It is an absolute upgrade at an extremely important position.

Going from Playoff Bledsoe to Jrue is a big deal. If they had done this two years ago, they would have beaten the Raps and won the title.

To further your argument, I don't want to take anything away from Bledsoe who is a fantastic defender but Holiday is clearly better to me. Last year he was switching onto Lebron and doing a reasonable job. He has locked up Booker, Beal and Lillard and is far more switchable than Bledsoe. Much better in isolation at the end of quarters and a much more flexible piece. We've got two elite swiss army knives on defense now.

That's an excellent point on the switchability. Bledsoe's on ball defense and fighting through screens is elite, but Jrue is much more switchable. It was actually a huge problem for the Bucks when they finally went full switch in the playoffs that Bledsoe, DDV, Pat, and Wes were getting abused in the post by big men after the switch. Jrue and BB should help with that as they are bigger/longer and will provide more resistance to that.

[dbrodz7]

I'm going to miss Bledsoe standing on Harden's side as he turns it over 8 times and shoots 28% from the field against us.

[drew881]

According to multiple NBA players he is the best defensive guard in the league. He is absolutely elite on one side of the ball while being above average on the other. He is replacing another PG who was elite defensively but completely unplayable offensively in the playoffs. It is an absolute upgrade at an extremely important position.

Going from Playoff Bledsoe to Jrue is a big deal. If they had done this two years ago, they would have beaten the Raps and won the title.

It's not the be all end all but he's never been an all nba member and hasn't made an all star game since 2013. I can think he's a very good player (which I stated in staying that he was the next tier down from the elite players) and still be lukewarm on going all in on a player at his level and age. It's a legitimate risk imo, one we no doubt had to make given the circumstances we put ourselves in over the years.

Will Bud allow him to defend the corner 3?

[humanrefutation]

To the folks who are saying that the package we have up for Jrue would have been better off being used to acquire an superstar quality player, can you name someone who we could have landed with that package who was better than Jrue? Because I don't think we're getting Harden for that package, and I'm wondering who else would pick up the phone to deal a superstar for 2 years of Bledsoe, Hill, and hopefully some low first rounders?

Chris Paul

Don't think we could have gotten the salaries to match there and still have the pieces to get Bodgan.

[tedbrogen]

To the folks who are saying that the package we have up for Jrue would have been better off being used to acquire an superstar quality player, can you name someone who we could have landed with that package who was better than Jrue? Because I don't think we're getting Harden for that package, and I'm wondering who else would pick up the phone to deal a superstar for 2 years of Bledsoe, Hill, and hopefully some low first rounders?

Chris Paul

I 100% get that argument, but we also don't have all the information. We don't know if Giannis actually wants to play with Paul or if Giannis was the one who said he wants to play with Jrue and if they traded for Jrue, he'd sign the supermax before the season.

If Giannis ends up signing the supermax, everything this offseason was worth it. It opens up a contention window of half a decade.

[drdrG]

I'm going to miss Bledsoe standing on Harden's side as he turns it over 8 times and shoots 28% from the field against us.

Holiday will be able to do that when he funnels Harden to Lopez and Giannis at the rim. Holiday has as good of a shot as anyone in the league to shut harden down 1v1.

[El Duderino]

Guessing there had to have been some form of a verbal commitment on an extension from Jrue's team to pull the trigger on giving up that kind of package.

1. Would the Bucks even want to give Holiday a long term big money extension?

2. Even if the answer was yes, how could the Bucks afford that if Giannis did sign the Super Max?

We'd have Giannis eating up a massive part of the cap, Middleton 35 million plus, Bogdan somewhere in the 17ish million, and Brook 15ish million. How could the team also give an extension to Holiday given the big money he want?

If Jrue had another year on his contract already locked in, it might be a little easier to stomach the massive haul we paid to acquire him. As an expiring though where he easily could end up walking after only one season, this trade has the chance to end up being a disaster if we don't win a title this coming season and Holiday did walk.

[WRau1]

Guessing there had to have been some form of a verbal commitment on an extension from Jrue's team to pull the trigger on giving up that kind of package.

1. Would the Bucks even want to give Holiday a long term big money extension?

2. Even if the answer was yes, how could the Bucks afford that if Giannis did sign the Super Max?

We'd have Giannis eating up a massive part of the cap, Middleton 35 million plus, Bogdan somewhere in the 17ish million, and Brook 15ish million. How could the team also give an extension to Holiday given the big money he want?

If Jrue had another year on his contract already locked in, it might be a little easier to stomach the massive haul we paid to acquire him. As an expiring though where he easily could end up walking after only one season, this trade has the chance to end up being a disaster if we don't win a title this coming season and Holiday did walk.

I don't doubt the Bucks thought that through before trading for Holiday and have some kind of plan in place. Middleton or Lopez won't be hard to trade if need be, I'm guessing Lopez will be the first to be labeled expendable.

[emunney]

I'm going to miss Bledsoe standing on Harden's side as he turns it over 8 times and shoots 28% from the field against us.

Legendary intuition from Bled, will never forget that gambit.

[buckboy]

Guessing there had to have been some form of a verbal commitment on an extension from Jrue's team to pull the trigger on giving up that kind of package.

1. Would the Bucks even want to give Holiday a long term big money extension?

2. Even if the answer was yes, how could the Bucks afford that if Giannis did sign the Super Max?

We'd have Giannis eating up a massive part of the cap, Middleton 35 million plus, Bogdan somewhere in the 17ish million, and Brook 15ish million. How could the team also give an extension to Holiday given the big money he want?

If Jrue had another year on his contract already locked in, it might be a little easier to stomach the massive haul we paid to acquire him. As an expiring though where he easily could end up walking after only one season, this trade has the chance to end up being a disaster if we don't win a title this coming season and Holiday did walk.

Holiday wouldn't be getting much of a raise. He already makes $26,000,000.

[will]

This is the definition of going all in.

[El Duderino]

Guessing there had to have been some form of a verbal commitment on an extension from Jrue's team to pull the trigger on giving up that kind of package.

1. Would the Bucks even want to give Holiday a long term big money extension?

2. Even if the answer was yes, how could the Bucks afford that if Giannis did sign the Super Max?

We'd have Giannis eating up a massive part of the cap, Middleton 35 million plus, Bogdan somewhere in the 17ish million, and Brook 15ish million. How could the team also give an extension to Holiday given the big money he want?

If Jrue had another year on his contract already locked in, it might be a little easier to stomach the massive haul we paid to acquire him. As an expiring though where he easily could end up walking after only one season, this trade has the chance to end up being a disaster if we don't win a title this coming season and Holiday did walk.

Holiday wouldn't be getting much of a raise. He already makes $26,000,000.

It's not so much just a raise that i was talking about. Instead, having Giannis at the huge Super Max cap eating amounts, Middleton 35 million plus, Bogdan somewhere in the 17ish million, and then adding a Holiday extension around 30 million per or more? Those four alone would eat up most of the cap going forward.

That doesn't account for Lopez either.

[Chuck Diesel]

It's in in the Pelicans best long term interest that the Bucks win a championship. Said it about Sacramento, applies to New Orleans as well. They"ll want to show Zion that a home grown, small market star can stick with his team and win a ring. Can't overlook that. Dirk Nowitski winning in Dallas is getting to be too far in the rear view for these kids to relate to. Bucks success makes their life easier than our big market/glamour market competition.

[buckboy]

1. Would the Bucks even want to give Holiday a long term big money extension?

2. Even if the answer was yes, how could the Bucks afford that if Giannis did sign the Super Max?

We'd have Giannis eating up a massive part of the cap, Middleton 35 million plus, Bogdan somewhere in the 17ish million, and Brook 15ish million. How could the team also give an extension to Holiday given the big money he want?

If Jrue had another year on his contract already locked in, it might be a little easier to stomach the massive haul we paid to acquire him. As an expiring though where he easily could end up walking after only one season, this trade has the chance to end up being a disaster if we don't win a title this coming season and Holiday did walk.

Holiday wouldn't be getting much of a raise. He already makes $26,000,000.

It's not so much just a raise that i was talking about. Instead, having Giannis at the huge Super Max cap eating amounts, Middleton 35 million plus, Bogdan somewhere in the 17ish million, and then adding a Holiday extension around 30 million per or more? Those four alone would eat up most of the cap going forward.

That doesn't account for Lopez either.

I hear ya.

I would guess this will be Brook's last season as a Buck.

[JimmyTheKid]

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[blazza18]

Guessing there had to have been some form of a verbal commitment on an extension from Jrue's team to pull the trigger on giving up that kind of package.

Let's bloody hope so! Something around like 3/90 and the chance to be BFF's with Giannis on the table right now.