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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#281 » by WizarDynasty » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:44 am

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prime1time wrote:Are we betting on Brown Jr. filling that role? Looks like we are still trying to figure it out. Brown Jr. always struck me as a wing.


The front office has envisioned TBJ as a big Point guard. Troy also has said he expects to he playing on the perimeter more often and is working on his 3 ball so he can be more skilled in motion and coming off screens etc in the catch and shoot. He has been working on his laterality because he said the team will need him to be able to guard the perimeter if so. He has shown leadership skills and the team likes seeing him run the 2nd squad, even if he is younger than anyone on the team except Bonga. That suggest point guard, but he will need to at times be able to play next to Wall, since we really have no one behind Bradley aside from Ish, who basically plays like John Wall Jr.



Don't forget about Robinson. I think our F.O. & coaching staff really thinks highly of him.


The problem with this F.O. is that they don't value perimeter perimeter defenders with 9'+ standing reach and elite defensive agility. When one pops up for first time in two decades they have no clue what to do. The answer is...push the green button and don't risk being fancy thinking that someone wont snatch him if you trade down. You are probably going to have to wait another 20 years for this opportunity to come again. Fancy point guards and undersized powerforwards with no perimeters skills come a dime a dozen. But 9'0 standing reach with elite agility and offensive upside is almost impossible to find.
There is a reason ESPN and other draft analyst aren't shouting for you to take him. It's because they don't want you to take him, they want him for their favorite team and they want him to slide.
We on this board especially Nate and Doc have been with the Wiz through thick and thin. And believe me, we have been through tough times, and never since I have been here have we have a 9'0 plus standing reach elite perimeter defender available for us to draft. That is how rare they are. So Shepherd, quit with trying to impress leonsis by making fancy draft day deals. You can't guarantee that San Antonio who knows talent...they are the one that scoop K. Leonard up when he was falling...they know talent, won't grab him. Popovich has full control of that organization and you best believe he won't slide past San Antonio.
Popo will mold him with his bare hands if he has too but he will be first team defense.

If we let Achiuwa slide and San Antonio picks him, I think Shepherd's time in DC will be very short, i think Leonsis will hire a new GM when Achiuwa becomes the next K. Leonard in San Antonio, and we are all labeling our pick a bust in a few years. There is no one with first team defense in this entire draft except one guy.
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#282 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:47 am

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:It’s time for us all to lay our cards on the table. The question is not who do you want but rather who do you think the Wiz will come away with on draft day?

PIF buys the winner a butter beer from Harry Potter World (post Covid of course). I’ll start:

Round one: Vassell
Round two: Pritchard

In case of tie:

UDFA: Diakite





Man is it just me or does this place have a lot more pop-ups than it used to????lot


Ok... So I want Okangwu, but I think he'll be gone. My prediction for the Wizards at 9 is Okoro. I think he'll be the one that drops down. It wouldn't shock me for someone (Achiuwa?) to go higher than expected and knocks him down to us. I think his lack of size and shooting will cause teams to back off. The Wizards however will be sold on his winning attitude and intangibles, high motor, defensive skills and mentality, and athleticism.


2nd Round I'll predict Vernon Carey Jr.
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

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Post#284 » by payitforward » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:27 am

I tell you... this might be one weird draft -- if you look at that mock draft, at least. According to this rundown, if we traded our #9 & 37 to Boston for all 4 of their picks, we would/could get Hayes (w/ Achiuwa still on the board, btw), Leandro Bolmaro, Xavier Tillman & Skylar Mays.

Of course, what we'd really want to do is trade the #14 down for the #17, 54 & 55 (inconveniently owned by different teams -- but, hey, I'm just getting started), whereupon we'd get Achiuwa, Bolmaro, Tillman, Mays, Paul Reed & Nate Hinton.

But, really, why stop there? After all, that #26 pick easily gets you the #36, 40 & 50: now we get Achiuwa, Tillman, Peyton Pritchard, Tyler Bey, Vernon Carey, Jr. Skylar Mays, Paul Reed & Nate Hinton.

You know... I like Skylar Mays, I do: but I guess I'd still trade that #47 I was gonna use to get him in return for for the #52 & 57. That way, we could go all out: we'd haul in Precious Achiuwa, Xavier Tillman, Peyton Pritchard, Tyler Bey, Vernon Carey, Jr., Cassius Stanley, Paul Reed, Nate Hinton, & Kenyon Martin, Jr.

Hey Shoe -- whaddya think? I know... let's buy 1 more, say the #43, & add Azubuike: that way we've bagged 10 rookies!!

We'd go down in history, right? Funny thing is... I bet 7 of those guys make it as NBA players! That'd really be something, right?
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#285 » by Ruzious » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:25 pm

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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#286 » by Ruzious » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:39 pm

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Ruzious wrote:New Poku measurements are here viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2017620

Height without shoes = 7'0 1/4"

Height with shoes = 7'1 1/2"

Wingspan = 7'5"

Standing reach = 9'4"

Weight = 211 pounds


The 211 lbs is very encouraging. He might be able to contribute as a rookie. He arguably has the highest upside in this draft - though I think Hayes' is a little higher.


Does have great hip bend defensively. Doesn't have elite first step. He has nice shot if left wide open. I don't see the elite footspeed being that he 211. He should be lightening quick. I would take a mid to late 2nd rounder on him and stash him away to see how he develops but no elite first step and poor hip bend offensively and defensively neutralize his outstanding standing reach.

C'mon, great hip bend and 9'4 standing reach for a perimeter player (at least he is now on offense) - everything you want, and you rate him a mid to late 2nd rounder? Are there points off for being 7'2? :wink:
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#287 » by bsilver » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:48 pm

Best night of the year tonight. Can't wait!

Have no idea who the best pick at 9 will be, would be happy if Okungwu fell to us. But wouldn't want to give serious assets to drop down a few spots to pick him. Maybe for Wiseman, but not Okungwu.

In any case, hope picks tonight give some hope to improve defense and rebounding. I'm not a believer in BPA, because if there's one thing for sure, we have no idea who is actually the best player available at #9.

And wouldn't mind a trade down. Trouble is, if it works out well, PIF would never let us forget it.
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Post#288 » by WizarDynasty » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:55 pm

payitforward wrote:I tell you... this might be one weird draft -- if you look at that mock draft, at least. According to this rundown, if we traded our #9 & 37 to Boston for all 4 of their picks, we would/could get Hayes (w/ Achiuwa still on the board, btw), Leandro Bolmaro, Xavier Tillman & Skylar Mays.

Of course, what we'd really want to do is trade the #14 down for the #17, 54 & 55 (inconveniently owned by different teams -- but, hey, I'm just getting started), whereupon we'd get Achiuwa, Bolmaro, Tillman, Mays, Paul Reed & Nate Hinton.

But, really, why stop there? After all, that #26 pick easily gets you the #36, 40 & 50: now we get Achiuwa, Tillman, Peyton Pritchard, Tyler Bey, Vernon Carey, Jr. Skylar Mays, Paul Reed & Nate Hinton.

You know... I like Skylar Mays, I do: but I guess I'd still trade that #47 I was gonna use to get him in return for for the #52 & 57. That way, we could go all out: we'd haul in Precious Achiuwa, Xavier Tillman, Peyton Pritchard, Tyler Bey, Vernon Carey, Jr., Cassius Stanley, Paul Reed, Nate Hinton, & Kenyon Martin, Jr.

Hey Shoe -- whaddya think? I know... let's buy 1 more, say the #43, & add Azubuike: that way we've bagged 10 rookies!!

We'd go down in history, right? Funny thing is... I bet 7 of those guys make it as NBA players! That'd really be something, right?

Achiuwa is not getting past San Antonio. Just like they didn't let K. Leonard slide. When they see talent, Popo knows what going on. Don't trust any of these mocks that let's achiuwa slide past San Antonio.
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#289 » by Ruzious » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:56 pm

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The Athletic recently spoke with Wizards GM Tommy Sheppard in an exclusive conversation about the upcoming offseason.

Here are thoughts from that conversation, along with lots of other tidbits about Washington’s offseason plan.
..
Sheppard has called Davis Bertans the Wizards’ “priority” for months. Nothing has changed on that front. They are the favorites to sign him once free agency opens.
..
There is no way the Wizards trade Bradley Beal this offseason.
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The Wizards saw Memphis big man Precious Achiuwa work out a couple of weeks ago; and word is, he impressed. Drafting Achiuwa ninth would be early if you go by the mocks, but if a team thinks a guy is good enough, then it could always take him. There’s inherent risk in trading down and hoping the player you want falls to you. And Achiuwa could be an example of that.
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“I’m really pleased about what’s there at No. 9 and No. 37,” Sheppard said. “We’d be happy if we had options to go any direction. But at the end of the day, what’s best for the Wizards — we’ll keep that to ourselves and make that decision when it’s time to do it. To say today, hey, we’re keeping No. 9 would be really presumptuous. That’s not necessarily the case. But at the same time, we’re happy where we’re at. But we’re always trying to get better with everything we do.”

...
• Could the Wizards buy a second-round pick Wednesday night?

“Yeah. If the opportunity presents itself and there’s value there, certainly,” Sheppard said. “We look at everything. And Mr. (Ted) Leonsis and our ownership group, they’ve never said no in terms of — hey, do what’s best for the Wizards. … Is it a priority? No. Our priority is at No. 9. Our priority is at No. 37. But it’s something that if we can accomplish that, we really like getting extra draft picks.”



https://theathletic.com/2202601/2020/11/17/washington-wizards-bradley-beal-offseason/

I love that he's far more upfront than a typical GM. Is he giving anything away? Not really - but there is enough to read just a little between the lines - and I think that's something the more attentive fan base can enjoy and appreciate - and understand his general philosophies.
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Post#290 » by WizarDynasty » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:01 pm

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Ruzious wrote:New Poku measurements are here viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2017620



The 211 lbs is very encouraging. He might be able to contribute as a rookie. He arguably has the highest upside in this draft - though I think Hayes' is a little higher.


Does have great hip bend defensively. Doesn't have elite first step. He has nice shot if left wide open. I don't see the elite footspeed being that he 211. He should be lightening quick. I would take a mid to late 2nd rounder on him and stash him away to see how he develops but no elite first step and poor hip bend offensively and defensively neutralize his outstanding standing reach.

C'mon, great hip bend and 9'4 standing reach for a perimeter player (at least he is now on offense) - everything you want, and you rate him a mid to late 2nd rounder? Are there points off for being 7'2? :wink:


Maybe you mark the time in the video where he shows great defensive hip bend. I didn't see it. He strikes me as possibly kevin Garnett if he had a quick first step with his length lack of weight but I don't see the quickness in his feet or the hip bend. Or explosiveness second jumps on rebounds. AGain, put a link the video and tell us the time in the video where you see evidence that he can maintain a deep hip bend for a long period of time offensve and defense? I will check it out.
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Post#291 » by Ruzious » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:07 pm

Dat2U wrote:I keep coming down to LaMelo being the best player in this draft. I think he's instinctively a better scorer & playmaker than his brother who I always viewed as more of a facilitator who struggles to break down defenses.

The next tier is led by Hayes. There's evidence that he has the makings of a good shooter. Can't say that about some of these other prospects. The skill level, size and age seem to bode well for him.

After that its Okongwu & Haliburton. Haliburton projects to SG once he gets stronger. Ideally he may be a great secondary ball handler in lineups.

I feel pretty good about Precious Achiuwa, maybe even more so than Wiseman. My like for Nesmith & Hampton is well known.

I feel confident about Malachi Flynn outplaying his draft position by a decent margin. Same with Xavier Tillman.

Josh Green has the tools to stick a while even if he's just a role player. Same with Tre Jones. Payton Pritchard & maybe Devon Dotson

I find Tyrell Terry, Leandro Bolmaro & Jaden McDaniels intriguing talents who need the perfect fit to succeed but have a solid upside if they land in the right place.

The longer this process goes, I'm leaning more toward getting Nesmith somehow. He really is the best 3 point shooter as far as both volume and accuracy, and he's got the physicality to hold up at 3. He's ahead of Okoro in my ratings. But if I pick him, I still want it to be in a trade down - I see him going from 13 to 15.

My gut feeling (based on nothing) is Boston's going to win the draft - getting both Hayes and Poku - after some maneuvering. I think those are the 2 highest ceiling prospects in the draft.
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#292 » by payitforward » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:18 pm

bsilver wrote:Best night of the year tonight. Can't wait!

Have no idea who the best pick at 9 will be, would be happy if Okungwu fell to us. But wouldn't want to give serious assets to drop down a few spots to pick him. Maybe for Wiseman, but not Okungwu.

In any case, hope picks tonight give some hope to improve defense and rebounding. I'm not a believer in BPA, because if there's one thing for sure, we have no idea who is actually the best player available at #9.

And wouldn't mind a trade down. Trouble is, if it works out well, PIF would never let us forget it.

C'mon man -- it's even easier for me if we don't make the trade. That way, later, I see which of the lower picks succeeds -- & those are the spots we should have traded into!! :)

Plus... it's so unfair that we can't come away with 10 rookies. The way I outline it above. :(
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#293 » by Ruzious » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:22 pm

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bsilver wrote:Best night of the year tonight. Can't wait!

Have no idea who the best pick at 9 will be, would be happy if Okungwu fell to us. But wouldn't want to give serious assets to drop down a few spots to pick him. Maybe for Wiseman, but not Okungwu.

In any case, hope picks tonight give some hope to improve defense and rebounding. I'm not a believer in BPA, because if there's one thing for sure, we have no idea who is actually the best player available at #9.

And wouldn't mind a trade down. Trouble is, if it works out well, PIF would never let us forget it.

C'mon man -- it's even easier for me if we don't make the trade. That way, later, I see which of the lower picks succeeds -- & those are the spots we should have traded into!! :)

Plus... it's so unfair that we can't come away with 10 rookies. The way I outline it above. :(

Maybe we can get the Rockets to spread a rumor that rosters will be expanded to 25 and teams will be allowed to play 6 players at a time.
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Post#294 » by Shoe » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:23 pm

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Does have great hip bend defensively. Doesn't have elite first step. He has nice shot if left wide open. I don't see the elite footspeed being that he 211. He should be lightening quick. I would take a mid to late 2nd rounder on him and stash him away to see how he develops but no elite first step and poor hip bend offensively and defensively neutralize his outstanding standing reach.

C'mon, great hip bend and 9'4 standing reach for a perimeter player (at least he is now on offense) - everything you want, and you rate him a mid to late 2nd rounder? Are there points off for being 7'2? :wink:


Maybe you mark the time in the video where he shows great defensive hip bend. I didn't see it. He strikes me as possibly kevin Garnett if he had a quick first step with his length lack of weight but I don't see the quickness in his feet or the hip bend. Or explosiveness second jumps on rebounds. AGain, put a link the video and tell us the time in the video where you see evidence that he can maintain a deep hip bend for a long period of time offensve and defense? I will check it out.


Obsession with hip bend, so youre looking for In the NBA its basically jimmy butler and.......tony allen? Not Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Gasol, LeBron, Curry, Durant, AD, Kyrie, Harden etc. Stars don't bend their hips for extended periods of time. Hip fluidity is more important.

You give Poku a long look because he flings the ball around like a pick up game but still averages 4 assists and positive AST/TO ratio.
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Post#295 » by payitforward » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:24 pm

You know how it is with rockets.... Sometimes they explode. Other times it's just phhhhht.
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Post#296 » by queridiculo » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:25 pm

Wiseman strikes me as the only guy in this draft that has that blue chip franchise potential out of this draft class.

I think it's absurd that the Timberwolves are struggling to make a decision here. Sure, they've got towns, but he's a classic tweener.

Instead of worrying about where the league is heading with respect to big men, why not buck the trend and ask teams to contend with their version of the twin towers instead?

All of that talk about the Warriors wanting to trade out of that spot strikes me as misdirection.

They're just hoping the Timberwolves are dumb enough to let the best prospect in the draft slip to the 2nd spot.
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Post#297 » by Ruzious » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:31 pm

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Does have great hip bend defensively. Doesn't have elite first step. He has nice shot if left wide open. I don't see the elite footspeed being that he 211. He should be lightening quick. I would take a mid to late 2nd rounder on him and stash him away to see how he develops but no elite first step and poor hip bend offensively and defensively neutralize his outstanding standing reach.

C'mon, great hip bend and 9'4 standing reach for a perimeter player (at least he is now on offense) - everything you want, and you rate him a mid to late 2nd rounder? Are there points off for being 7'2? :wink:


Maybe you mark the time in the video where he shows great defensive hip bend. I didn't see it. He strikes me as possibly kevin Garnett if he had a quick first step with his length lack of weight but I don't see the quickness in his feet or the hip bend. Or explosiveness second jumps on rebounds. AGain, put a link the video and tell us the time in the video where you see evidence that he can maintain a deep hip bend for a long period of time offensve and defense? I will check it out.

You understand that it was you who said "Does have great hip bend defensively."? :lol:
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Post#298 » by Shoe » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:35 pm

Okongwu with foot injury, will miss training camp

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one of many consolidation trades i imagine. Pels have 13, 24, 39, 42 and a ton of future picks. Thunder have 25 , 28. Sixers 21, 34, 36
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Post#299 » by Ruzious » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:40 pm

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Ruzious wrote:C'mon, great hip bend and 9'4 standing reach for a perimeter player (at least he is now on offense) - everything you want, and you rate him a mid to late 2nd rounder? Are there points off for being 7'2? :wink:


Maybe you mark the time in the video where he shows great defensive hip bend. I didn't see it. He strikes me as possibly kevin Garnett if he had a quick first step with his length lack of weight but I don't see the quickness in his feet or the hip bend. Or explosiveness second jumps on rebounds. AGain, put a link the video and tell us the time in the video where you see evidence that he can maintain a deep hip bend for a long period of time offensve and defense? I will check it out.


Obsession with hip bend, so youre looking for In the NBA its basically jimmy butler and.......tony allen? Not Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Gasol, LeBron, Curry, Durant, AD, Kyrie, Harden etc. Stars don't bend their hips for extended periods of time. Hip fluidity is more important.

You give Poku a long look because he flings the ball around like a pick up game but still averages 4 assists and positive AST/TO ratio.

Meh, there's plenty of 18 year old 7'2 guys who can run the ball up court, stop on a dime, and make a perfect behind the back bounce pass setting up a teammate for a layup.
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Re: 2020 Draft - Part II 

Post#300 » by Dat2U » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:55 pm

queridiculo wrote:Wiseman strikes me as the only guy in this draft that has that blue chip franchise potential out of this draft class.

I think it's absurd that the Timberwolves are struggling to make a decision here. Sure, they've got towns, but he's a classic tweener.

Instead of worrying about where the league is heading with respect to big men, why not buck the trend and ask teams to contend with their version of the twin towers instead?

All of that talk about the Warriors wanting to trade out of that spot strikes me as misdirection.

They're just hoping the Timberwolves are dumb enough to let the best prospect in the draft slip to the 2nd spot.


I think DeAndre Ayton was a better prospect coming out. Somewhere he's in between Mitchell Robinson and Andre Drummond.

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