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Re: Random Rumors and Trade Board General Thoughts Thread 

Post#1041 » by HartfordWhalers » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:51 am

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Yeah that makes sense. Maybe Boston then acquires someone like Adams into the TPE.



Admas makes quite a bit money and I don't know if Atlanta should pay Gordon enough to create a TPE large for Boston to bring in Adams.

.........................2019-20..........2020-21..
Steven Adams.....$25,842,697.....$27,528,090


Maybe something is done at the same time as the Hayward Sign & Trade.


Example with OKC as the third team.

Atlanta
In: Hayward, Compensation
Out: Probably just their cap space

Boston
In: Adams
Out: Hayward, Poirer?, Kanter?, Compensation

OKC
In: Poirier?, Kanter?
Out: Adams


Atlanta -- Gets Hayward and some compensation for participating in a
OKC -- Carves out cap space (or TPE) by taking back much less salary than they are sending out.
Boston -- Gets Adams and dumps backup centers.

I have no idea if Presti would squeeze Ainge for major compensation or would be mostly satisified by creating more cap space or a TPE.


No idea if someone will trade for Adams given his big contract but no way Presti is going to trade him just for saving money. Better keep him and try to trade him at the deadline (or S&T next offseason under a better contract)


If OKC can get a 27m TPE that lasts for a year, I think they should take it. It can be used to gain assets, and costs nothing.
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Re: Random Rumors and Trade Board General Thoughts Thread 

Post#1042 » by Dadouv47 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:54 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:
Resistance wrote:

Admas makes quite a bit money and I don't know if Atlanta should pay Gordon enough to create a TPE large for Boston to bring in Adams.

.........................2019-20..........2020-21..
Steven Adams.....$25,842,697.....$27,528,090


Maybe something is done at the same time as the Hayward Sign & Trade.


Example with OKC as the third team.

Atlanta
In: Hayward, Compensation
Out: Probably just their cap space

Boston
In: Adams
Out: Hayward, Poirer?, Kanter?, Compensation

OKC
In: Poirier?, Kanter?
Out: Adams


Atlanta -- Gets Hayward and some compensation for participating in a
OKC -- Carves out cap space (or TPE) by taking back much less salary than they are sending out.
Boston -- Gets Adams and dumps backup centers.

I have no idea if Presti would squeeze Ainge for major compensation or would be mostly satisified by creating more cap space or a TPE.


No idea if someone will trade for Adams given his big contract but no way Presti is going to trade him just for saving money. Better keep him and try to trade him at the deadline (or S&T next offseason under a better contract)


If OKC can get a 27m TPE that lasts for a year, I think they should take it. It can be used to gain assets, and costs nothing.


Not saying he shouldn't, just don't think he will. Presti loves Adams...
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Post#1043 » by K_chile22 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:59 am

Based off MacMahon's piece he just dropped, I'm going to go ahead and say that Nets guy is not as plugged in as some suggest.
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Re: Random Rumors and Trade Board General Thoughts Thread 

Post#1045 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:03 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:
Resistance wrote:

Admas makes quite a bit money and I don't know if Atlanta should pay Gordon enough to create a TPE large for Boston to bring in Adams.

.........................2019-20..........2020-21..
Steven Adams.....$25,842,697.....$27,528,090


Maybe something is done at the same time as the Hayward Sign & Trade.


Example with OKC as the third team.

Atlanta
In: Hayward, Compensation
Out: Probably just their cap space

Boston
In: Adams
Out: Hayward, Poirer?, Kanter?, Compensation

OKC
In: Poirier?, Kanter?
Out: Adams


Atlanta -- Gets Hayward and some compensation for participating in a
OKC -- Carves out cap space (or TPE) by taking back much less salary than they are sending out.
Boston -- Gets Adams and dumps backup centers.

I have no idea if Presti would squeeze Ainge for major compensation or would be mostly satisified by creating more cap space or a TPE.


No idea if someone will trade for Adams given his big contract but no way Presti is going to trade him just for saving money. Better keep him and try to trade him at the deadline (or S&T next offseason under a better contract)


If OKC can get a 27m TPE that lasts for a year, I think they should take it. It can be used to gain assets, and costs nothing.


Going to disagree here. Adams is a culture setter and I think Presti will keep him before giving him away for a TPE. OKC still needs leadership and Adams is a logical choice for that role. There’s value in it. And a process style full on tank with only the kids can have negative developmental consequences.
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Post#1046 » by HartfordWhalers » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:03 am

K_chile22 wrote:Based off MacMahon's piece he just dropped, I'm going to go ahead and say that Nets guy is not as plugged in as some suggest.


Not judging the wisdom or truth of it, but there is definitely talk that Houston is waiting on Philly to put Simmons into an offer. Which even if true could be to further leverage another team.
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Post#1047 » by MasterIchiro » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:10 am

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Is this why the Celtics are scrambling to get a team to give them a pick for Kemba? How does delaying Hayward's option fit in?

Jaylen Brown + 14 + 26 + 30 + whatever they get for Kemba + Hayward?
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Post#1048 » by Dadouv47 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:16 am

STEP 1 : Harden says he only wants to go to the Nets
STEP 2 : Houston says they are willing to keep him unhappy
STEP 3 : Harden agrees to go to any contender with the best offer

Regarding Westbrook, it's more tricky. I tend to agree that he can improve a bit his trade value by playing solo Westbrook mode without Harden. He was also having a decent regular season before sucking in the playoffs (regardless if it was related to his injury/Covid or not).
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Post#1049 » by Trader_Joe » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:17 am

K_chile22 wrote:Based off MacMahon's piece he just dropped, I'm going to go ahead and say that Nets guy is not as plugged in as some suggest.

If it doesn't happen by the draft, I dont think it happens. But I am confident Pooch was told this by someone he trusted and reported it. Things dont always pan out or his source was off. Simply put he is a young aspiring NBA reporter who already has legit Net connection (all of YES knows him as do many Nets players and staff) and thousands of us Net fans know this. No reason to question his validity though. He's a complete stand up person.
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Post#1050 » by Trader_Joe » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:20 am

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K_chile22 wrote:Based off MacMahon's piece he just dropped, I'm going to go ahead and say that Nets guy is not as plugged in as some suggest.

If it doesn't happen by the draft, I dont think it happens. But I am confident Pooch was told this by someone he trusted and reported it. Things dont always pan out or his source was off. Simply put he is a young aspiring NBA reporter who already has legit Net connection (all of YES knows him, he's been mentioned on air and in studio as do many Nets players and staff) and thousands of us Net fans know this. No reason to question his validity though. He's a complete stand up person.

He even updated his story to say Nets are willing to send anything outside of KD and KI and mentioned Claxton (who not many have, just an interesting inclusion) and mentioned multiple future 1sts and swaps...in addition to the usual LeVert, Allen, Dinwiddie, Prince.
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Re: Random Rumors and Trade Board General Thoughts Thread 

Post#1051 » by K_chile22 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:23 am

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K_chile22 wrote:Based off MacMahon's piece he just dropped, I'm going to go ahead and say that Nets guy is not as plugged in as some suggest.

If it doesn't happen by the draft, I dont think it happens. But I am confident Pooch was told this by someone he trusted and reported it. Things dont always pan out or his source was off. Simply put he is a young aspiring NBA reporter who already has legit Net connection (all of YES knows him as do many Nets players and staff) and thousands of us Net fans know this. No reason to question his validity though. He's a complete stand up person.

He even updated his story to say Nets are willing to send anything outside of KD and KI and mentioned Claxton (who not many have, just an interesting conclusion) and mentioned multiple future 1sts and swaps.
I've seen multiple people including KOC say literally everything but Kyrie and KD is on the table, naming a random fringe guy who is a part of everything doesn't do much to make it seem legit. Maybe he just got bad intel, who knows, but not a great look. Have a ton more faith in Woj and MacMahon
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Post#1052 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:23 am

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K_chile22 wrote:Based off MacMahon's piece he just dropped, I'm going to go ahead and say that Nets guy is not as plugged in as some suggest.

If it doesn't happen by the draft, I dont think it happens. But I am confident Pooch was told this by someone he trusted and reported it. Things dont always pan out or his source was off. Simply put he is a young aspiring NBA reporter who already has legit Net connection (all of YES knows him as do many Nets players and staff) and thousands of us Net fans know this. No reason to question his validity though. He's a complete stand up person.


He may well be plugged into the Nets but what if the Nets reps are under the impression that this is further along than it really is?
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Post#1053 » by Trader_Joe » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:27 am

K_chile22 wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:If it doesn't happen by the draft, I dont think it happens. But I am confident Pooch was told this by someone he trusted and reported it. Things dont always pan out or his source was off. Simply put he is a young aspiring NBA reporter who already has legit Net connection (all of YES knows him as do many Nets players and staff) and thousands of us Net fans know this. No reason to question his validity though. He's a complete stand up person.

He even updated his story to say Nets are willing to send anything outside of KD and KI and mentioned Claxton (who not many have, just an interesting conclusion) and mentioned multiple future 1sts and swaps.
I've seen multiple people including KOC say literally everything but Kyrie and KD is on the table, naming a random fringe guy who is a part of everything doesn't do much to make it seem legit. Maybe he just got bad intel, who knows, but not a great look. Have a ton more faith in Woj and MacMahon

Woj and people report a lot of things that don't happen. It doesn't mean they were not told that by trusted sources. 3 guys I would trust for Nets more than anyone...Pooch, Woj, Shams.

And I'll I'm saying is he reported this in good faith and have known him for some time. It's also early still.
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Re: Random Rumors and Trade Board General Thoughts Thread 

Post#1054 » by Trader_Joe » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:28 am

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Trader_Joe wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:Based off MacMahon's piece he just dropped, I'm going to go ahead and say that Nets guy is not as plugged in as some suggest.

If it doesn't happen by the draft, I dont think it happens. But I am confident Pooch was told this by someone he trusted and reported it. Things dont always pan out or his source was off. Simply put he is a young aspiring NBA reporter who already has legit Net connection (all of YES knows him as do many Nets players and staff) and thousands of us Net fans know this. No reason to question his validity though. He's a complete stand up person.


He may well be plugged into the Nets but what if the Nets reps are under the impression that this is further along than it really is?

Then, that's good to know as well how confident or desperate they are. We're getting told something from the inside either way.
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Re: Random Rumors and Trade Board General Thoughts Thread 

Post#1055 » by Resistance » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:28 am

Dadouv47 wrote:
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BullyKing wrote:
Yeah that makes sense. Maybe Boston then acquires someone like Adams into the TPE.



Admas makes quite a bit money and I don't know if Atlanta should pay Gordon enough to create a TPE large for Boston to bring in Adams.

.........................2019-20..........2020-21..
Steven Adams.....$25,842,697.....$27,528,090


Maybe something is done at the same time as the Hayward Sign & Trade.


Example with OKC as the third team.

Atlanta
In: Hayward, Compensation
Out: Probably just their cap space

Boston
In: Adams
Out: Hayward, Poirer?, Kanter?, Compensation

OKC
In: Poirier?, Kanter?
Out: Adams


Atlanta -- Gets Hayward and some compensation for participating in a
OKC -- Carves out cap space (or TPE) by taking back much less salary than they are sending out.
Boston -- Gets Adams and dumps backup centers.

I have no idea if Presti would squeeze Ainge for major compensation or would be mostly satisified by creating more cap space or a TPE.


No idea if someone will trade for Adams given his big contract but no way Presti is going to trade him just for saving money. Better keep him and try to trade him at the deadline (or S&T next offseason under a better contract)



At the trade deadline, teams aren't going to give a great pick for an expiring that could just be a rental.

A recent example is the Clippers sending a 2020 first to the Knicks for Morris. The pick is going to be #27 which is about what to expect for an Adams trade at the deadline.

If Boston deals with the Poirier contract in some other way and just sends Kanter ($5,005,350) to OKC for Adams, then OKC will either carve out cap space or create a large $22.5 million TPE. Depending on circumstances, Presti could get a larger/better compensation package by taking bad salary into the TPE or cap space this offseason than waiting until the trade deadline to send him to a contender.


Is Presti going to tank or is OKC going to try and make the playoffs? If tanking, then keeping Adams to win a few more games works against that plan. If the goal is to make the playoffs, then keep Adams.
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Post#1056 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:43 am

Trader_Joe wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:Based off MacMahon's piece he just dropped, I'm going to go ahead and say that Nets guy is not as plugged in as some suggest.

If it doesn't happen by the draft, I dont think it happens. But I am confident Pooch was told this by someone he trusted and reported it. Things dont always pan out or his source was off. Simply put he is a young aspiring NBA reporter who already has legit Net connection (all of YES knows him as do many Nets players and staff) and thousands of us Net fans know this. No reason to question his validity though. He's a complete stand up person.


I get that he likely has inroads and sources, but he reported there was a deal in principle, right? There clearly isn't. He may be reporting what he's formed from sources, but it's also possible that a source is telling him what the source wants out there, too.

Trader_Joe wrote:
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K_chile22 wrote:Based off MacMahon's piece he just dropped, I'm going to go ahead and say that Nets guy is not as plugged in as some suggest.

If it doesn't happen by the draft, I dont think it happens. But I am confident Pooch was told this by someone he trusted and reported it. Things dont always pan out or his source was off. Simply put he is a young aspiring NBA reporter who already has legit Net connection (all of YES knows him, he's been mentioned on air and in studio as do many Nets players and staff) and thousands of us Net fans know this. No reason to question his validity though. He's a complete stand up person.

He even updated his story to say Nets are willing to send anything outside of KD and KI and mentioned Claxton (who not many have, just an interesting inclusion) and mentioned multiple future 1sts and swaps...in addition to the usual LeVert, Allen, Dinwiddie, Prince.


I just find it weird that he reported there was a deal in principle, and yet now talks as if there's nothing agreed upon. :dontknow:
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Post#1058 » by Trader_Joe » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:53 am

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Trader_Joe wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:Based off MacMahon's piece he just dropped, I'm going to go ahead and say that Nets guy is not as plugged in as some suggest.

If it doesn't happen by the draft, I dont think it happens. But I am confident Pooch was told this by someone he trusted and reported it. Things dont always pan out or his source was off. Simply put he is a young aspiring NBA reporter who already has legit Net connection (all of YES knows him as do many Nets players and staff) and thousands of us Net fans know this. No reason to question his validity though. He's a complete stand up person.


I get that he likely has inroads and sources, but he reported there was a deal in principle, right? There clearly isn't. He may be reporting what he's formed from sources, but it's also possible that a source is telling him what the source wants out there, too.

Trader_Joe wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:If it doesn't happen by the draft, I dont think it happens. But I am confident Pooch was told this by someone he trusted and reported it. Things dont always pan out or his source was off. Simply put he is a young aspiring NBA reporter who already has legit Net connection (all of YES knows him, he's been mentioned on air and in studio as do many Nets players and staff) and thousands of us Net fans know this. No reason to question his validity though. He's a complete stand up person.

He even updated his story to say Nets are willing to send anything outside of KD and KI and mentioned Claxton (who not many have, just an interesting inclusion) and mentioned multiple future 1sts and swaps...in addition to the usual LeVert, Allen, Dinwiddie, Prince.


I just find it weird that he reported there was a deal in principle, and yet now talks as if there's nothing agreed upon. :dontknow:

Which is why I think if nothing happens by draft, it's not happening. Either fell apart or his source had it wrong.

All I'm trying to say, each fanbase and team can tell you the best reporters and insiders to follow specific to their teams. Pooch is the Nets. It's a pretty well known fact among Net fans. It's not Netsdaily as insider anymore and assuming Pooch is back full time, he's the best beat reporter as was before brief hiatus.

I shared his link early in the rumor thread for a reason and even RealGM has it in it's headlines. He is a legit Nets source.

Despite being young he is a visible, respected and experienced Nets reporter. A lot of Net fans can tell you what he looks like, how he dresses, how he talks. Because he's visible and engaging online in print, audio and video. He's been mentioned on YES announcers and in network and been on air and on ESPN radio in NY calling KD and KI. Players and staff know him. He's written for Netsdaily for years and has a close relationship with Net Income at Netsdaily who is an Emmy award winning journalist and also knows most the org. He broke KD, Kyrie and shared other minor details before anyone else. I feel like I'm defending both him and my decision to share his tweet, and nothing more so I'll stop. It's a rumours thread. Here was one from is universally regarded as one of the best Net guys by us fans.
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Post#1059 » by BullyKing » Wed Nov 18, 2020 1:55 am

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Post#1060 » by HartfordWhalers » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:04 am

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K_chile22 wrote:Based off MacMahon's piece he just dropped, I'm going to go ahead and say that Nets guy is not as plugged in as some suggest.

If it doesn't happen by the draft, I dont think it happens. But I am confident Pooch was told this by someone he trusted and reported it. Things dont always pan out or his source was off. Simply put he is a young aspiring NBA reporter who already has legit Net connection (all of YES knows him as do many Nets players and staff) and thousands of us Net fans know this. No reason to question his validity though. He's a complete stand up person.


I get that he likely has inroads and sources, but he reported there was a deal in principle, right? There clearly isn't. He may be reporting what he's formed from sources, but it absolutely...
was premature at best ... which makes in inaccurate.

Look at his story:
The Brooklyn Nets and Houston Rockets are nearing a deal to send James Harden to Brooklyn, multiple league sources have told Front Office Sports.

The deal isn’t “official” but sources say a deal is in place and the two teams have a “verbal agreement.” Harden declined a two-year, $103 million extension with the Rockets so he could force a trade to Brooklyn.


He treats it as a factual truth versus a whispered rumor from a source that hasn't been legit enough to get picked up [and validated] anywhere else. It seems fully inaccurate in presentation and journalism, even if it is technically accurate that someone told him that.

He might have great leads due to his ties to some in the Nets, but here it looks like he is a blogger taking a shred of story and presenting it without enough context. Still has value, we are all bored! But, best taken with a touch of salt.

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