Random Rumors and Trade Board General Thoughts Thread

[BlazersBroncos]

I just cant comprehend that Houston capitulates to Harden and trades him to BRK. He will be traded, but it wont be to BRK. There is a less than zero chance he becomes the first superstar to sit out an entire season. It would demolish his already meh legacy.

If they want to be, I have to think Boston and Philly are the frontrunners. Simons + picks or Brown + Young Guys + Picks. Maybe send out both Brown and Hayward and end up with Harden and Horford?

[K_chile22]

I just cant comprehend that Houston capitulates to Harden and trades him to BRK. He will be traded, but it wont be to BRK. There is a less than zero chance he becomes the first superstar to sit out an entire season. It would demolish his already meh legacy.

Harden also loves to hoop, the rockets have had a hard time getting him to sit for rest and he even butted heads (in a minor way) with CP because CP wanted to cancel morning shoot around, though he lost that battle. He'll absolutely play if they keep him

[Trader_Joe]

If it doesn't happen by the draft, I dont think it happens. But I am confident Pooch was told this by someone he trusted and reported it. Things dont always pan out or his source was off. Simply put he is a young aspiring NBA reporter who already has legit Net connection (all of YES knows him as do many Nets players and staff) and thousands of us Net fans know this. No reason to question his validity though. He's a complete stand up person.

I get that he likely has inroads and sources, but he reported there was a deal in principle, right? There clearly isn't. He may be reporting what he's formed from sources, but it absolutely...

was premature at best ... which makes in inaccurate.

Look at his story:

The Brooklyn Nets and Houston Rockets are nearing a deal to send James Harden to Brooklyn, multiple league sources have told Front Office Sports.

The deal isn’t “official” but sources say a deal is in place and the two teams have a “verbal agreement.” Harden declined a two-year, $103 million extension with the Rockets so he could force a trade to Brooklyn.

He treats it as a factual truth versus a whispered rumor from a source that hasn't been legit enough to get picked up [and validated] anywhere else. It seems fully inaccurate in presentation and journalism, even if it is technically accurate that someone told him that.

He might have great leads due to his ties to some in the Nets, but here it looks like he is a blogger taking a shred of story and presenting it without enough context.

I think he's adding more to his story from other places. There may be a reason for it is not be announced yet. If it happens tomorrow during the draft, I suspect he was told the correct info. Is there a rush to announce? I have not heard other teams making offers nor have I seen the Celtics scrambling to move GH or Kemba for picks as was mentioned. IMO it's early.

[K_chile22]

I get that he likely has inroads and sources, but he reported there was a deal in principle, right? There clearly isn't. He may be reporting what he's formed from sources, but it absolutely...

was premature at best ... which makes in inaccurate.

Look at his story:

The Brooklyn Nets and Houston Rockets are nearing a deal to send James Harden to Brooklyn, multiple league sources have told Front Office Sports.

The deal isn’t “official” but sources say a deal is in place and the two teams have a “verbal agreement.” Harden declined a two-year, $103 million extension with the Rockets so he could force a trade to Brooklyn.

He treats it as a factual truth versus a whispered rumor from a source that hasn't been legit enough to get picked up [and validated] anywhere else. It seems fully inaccurate in presentation and journalism, even if it is technically accurate that someone told him that.

He might have great leads due to his ties to some in the Nets, but here it looks like he is a blogger taking a shred of story and presenting it without enough context.

I think he's adding more to his story from other places. There may be a reason for it is not be announced yet. If it happens tomorrow during the draft, I suspect he was told the correct info. Is there a rush to announce? I have not heard other teams making offers nor have I seen the Celtics scrambling to move GH or Kemba for picks as was mentioned. IMO it's early.

I don't think anyone took that Celtics story too seriously though. At least not here. And exactly, it's too early. Too early to report deals as done deals when they are noy

[Trader_Joe]

I get that he likely has inroads and sources, but he reported there was a deal in principle, right? There clearly isn't. He may be reporting what he's formed from sources, but it absolutely...

was premature at best ... which makes in inaccurate.

Look at his story:

The Brooklyn Nets and Houston Rockets are nearing a deal to send James Harden to Brooklyn, multiple league sources have told Front Office Sports.

The deal isn’t “official” but sources say a deal is in place and the two teams have a “verbal agreement.” Harden declined a two-year, $103 million extension with the Rockets so he could force a trade to Brooklyn.

He treats it as a factual truth versus a whispered rumor from a source that hasn't been legit enough to get picked up [and validated] anywhere else. It seems fully inaccurate in presentation and journalism, even if it is technically accurate that someone told him that.

He might have great leads due to his ties to some in the Nets, but here it looks like he is a blogger taking a shred of story and presenting it without enough context.

I think he's adding more to his story from other places. There may be a reason for it is not be announced yet. If it happens tomorrow during the draft, I suspect he was told the correct info. Is there a rush to announce? I have not heard other teams making offers nor have I seen the Celtics scrambling to move GH or Kemba for picks as was mentioned. IMO it's early.

Some theories...

Something draft related or dependent
Prince and LeVerts extensions not kicked in
Maybe Detroit is brought in for their cap space and or B.Brown
Some cap mechanisms being worked out like they did with D.Jordan last year

Or..
Things change
Houston backed out
His source was misinformed/bad assumption

I dont think Pooch made this up, or made a poor choice to trust his source.

Why don't we see what happens?

[MoneyTalks41890]

The difference between people who know sources and journalists is often practicing the discernment to step back and question what you’re getting, why you’re getting it, and whether other sources can confirm it.

[BlazersBroncos]

Harden also loves to hoop, the rockets have had a hard time getting him to sit for rest and he even butted heads (in a minor way) with CP because CP wanted to cancel morning shoot around, though he lost that battle. He'll absolutely play if they keep him

Keeping him seems a stretch. Yes, he would play if they kept him. But I think the RoCo deal conceded a rebuild. You dont move that guy if you want to make noise in the playoffs. Especially for 16 in a weak draft and Ariza (Who is still good actually, just a 7-8 man on a winning team)

[HartfordWhalers]

Why don't we see what happens?

There is an inherent awkwardness that he already ran a story in which he says he has no idea what players are even involved, but it is a done deal. And meanwhile, it happens to be the odds on favorite to have a deal happen later, so whether he has any information at all, it could be that the deal between the two teams happens anyway.

I honestly don't see anything from him and his reporting that would make me trust that a deal was done now even if a deal happens tomorrow.

[Domejandro]

Been busy, using my moderating privileges to mandate that somebody let me know what happened today. Give me the good details while I keep working.

Wolves traded the No. 1 to get Wiggins back

That would truly be The Monkey’s Paw of answers, seems plausible for Minnesota sports.

[Trader_Joe]

The difference between people who know sources and journalists is often practicing the discernment to step back and question what you’re getting, why you’re getting it, and whether other sources can confirm it.

He's shown legit sources.and good decision making before. He's both an.insider and aspiring journalist. He's young and learning. I think he likely made the right decision to share this, though we'll never know not knowing his source, should it not come to fruition in the very near future. I also feel I made the right to share this in Rumor thread on Realgm on the TnT board. And again, I'm doing what most posters from particular markets try to do and that is endorse or denounce our team's insider or reports so the board can understand who is well respected and who is not as they likely are not familiar with the local scene.

[HartfordWhalers]

The difference between people who know sources and journalists is often practicing the discernment to step back and question what you’re getting, why you’re getting it, and whether other sources can confirm it.

He's shown legit sources.and good decision making before. He's both an.insider and aspiring journalist. He's young and learning. I think he likely made the right decision to share this, though we'll never know not knowing his source, should it not come to fruition in the very near future. I also feel I made the right to share this in Rumor thread on Realgm on the TnT board. And again, I'm doing what most posters from particular markets try to do and that is endorse or denounce our team's insider or reports so the board can understand who is well respected and who is not as they likely are not familiar with the local scene.

Fully appreciate your role here, and see significant value in it. Hope that is clear even if I doubt the source.

[K_chile22]

Harden also loves to hoop, the rockets have had a hard time getting him to sit for rest and he even butted heads (in a minor way) with CP because CP wanted to cancel morning shoot around, though he lost that battle. He'll absolutely play if they keep him

Keeping him seems a stretch. Yes, he would play if they kept him. But I think the RoCo deal conceded a rebuild. You dont move that guy if you want to make noise in the playoffs. Especially for 16 in a weak draft and Ariza (Who is still good actually, just a 7-8 man on a winning team)

Sorry, I meant keeping him as in playing out the year if nothing decent comes up and try to trade him again next off-season

[Trader_Joe]

Why don't we see what happens?

There is an inherent awkwardness that he already ran a story in which he says he has no idea what players are even involved, but it is a done deal. And meanwhile, it happens to be the odds on favorite to have a deal happen later, so whether he has any information at all, it could be that the deal between the two teams happens anyway.

I honestly don't see anything from him and his reporting that would make me trust that a deal was done now even if a deal happens tomorrow.

HW, I could spend a solid hour or 2 collecting tweets, articles and comments showing his insider info and even beating the Wojs of the world. I can point you to others that know him and would do the same.

He got the story up quick and came back with updates. I know he's busy and probably not full time yet back into journalism. He came back with the outline of the deal and interestingly is the 1st one I've seen so far to mention Claxton even tho 4 other names are always mentioned.

He was told this by someone he trusted and in good faith. It was posted only hours ago. There is no need for it to be mentioned immediately. If it was.necessry there would have been no need to mention an agreement.

I guess at this point what are you trying to say?
He lied?
His sources suck?
He's young and inexperienced and showed poor journalist skills?
I'm too trusting or am overstating his connections?

I simply shared a tweet in a rumor thread and gave backstory from someone that has known of Pooch for years.

Glad it is bed time....
I hated the Melodrama and Dwightmare too.

If nothing happens by the draft, I'm moving on.
(I like to lie to myself)

[Texas Chuck]

Do I need to create a Mooch containment thread?

[Slim Tubby]

Been busy, using my moderating privileges to mandate that somebody let me know what happened today. Give me the good details while I keep working.

Wolves traded the No. 1 to get Wiggins back

That would truly be The Monkey’s Paw of answers, seems plausible for Minnesota sports.

What he didn’t tell you is we also included our Unprotected 2023 FRP because this draft is so bad.


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[kobe_vs_jordan]

Why don't we see what happens?

There is an inherent awkwardness that he already ran a story in which he says he has no idea what players are even involved, but it is a done deal. And meanwhile, it happens to be the odds on favorite to have a deal happen later, so whether he has any information at all, it could be that the deal between the two teams happens anyway.

I honestly don't see anything from him and his reporting that would make me trust that a deal was done now even if a deal happens tomorrow.

Think for rumor / beat guys it's more about the times they are right than wrong. Nature of the rumor mill is you being wrong. They go out on a limb and trust their sources we never really figure out why their claims fell apart at.

[LivingLegend]

Why don't we see what happens?

There is an inherent awkwardness that he already ran a story in which he says he has no idea what players are even involved, but it is a done deal. And meanwhile, it happens to be the odds on favorite to have a deal happen later, so whether he has any information at all, it could be that the deal between the two teams happens anyway.

I honestly don't see anything from him and his reporting that would make me trust that a deal was done now even if a deal happens tomorrow.

Think for rumor / beat guys it's more about the times they are right than wrong. Nature of the rumor mill is you being wrong. They go out on a limb and trust their sources we never really figure out why their claims fell apart at.

I almost feel bad for the guy who reports everything his inside sources say 100% of the time thinking he will be right and become Woj. And then see like 60% of the stuff he reports fall apart for whatever reason that he can't report so everyone thinks he's just making stuff up lol

[loserX]

Wolves traded the No. 1 to get Wiggins back

That would truly be The Monkey’s Paw of answers, seems plausible for Minnesota sports.

What he didn’t tell you is we also included our Unprotected 2023 FRP because this draft is so bad.


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You guys also rehired David Kahn. Big story, you can look it up.

[Slim Tubby]

That would truly be The Monkey’s Paw of answers, seems plausible for Minnesota sports.

What he didn’t tell you is we also included our Unprotected 2023 FRP because this draft is so bad.


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You guys also rehired David Kahn. Big story, you can look it up.

David Kahn...smartest man alive. Just ask him.


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[Scoot McGroot]

Why don't we see what happens?

There is an inherent awkwardness that he already ran a story in which he says he has no idea what players are even involved, but it is a done deal. And meanwhile, it happens to be the odds on favorite to have a deal happen later, so whether he has any information at all, it could be that the deal between the two teams happens anyway.

I honestly don't see anything from him and his reporting that would make me trust that a deal was done now even if a deal happens tomorrow.

HW, I could spend a solid hour or 2 collecting tweets, articles and comments showing his insider info and even beating the Wojs of the world. I can point you to others that know him and would do the same.

He got the story up quick and came back with updates. I know he's busy and probably not full time yet back into journalism. He came back with the outline of the deal and interestingly is the 1st one I've seen so far to mention Claxton even tho 4 other names are always mentioned.

He was told this by someone he trusted and in good faith. It was posted only hours ago. There is no need for it to be mentioned immediately. If it was.necessry there would have been no need to mention an agreement.

I guess at this point what are you trying to say?
He lied?
His sources suck?
He's young and inexperienced and showed poor journalist skills?
I'm too trusting or am overstating his connections?

I simply shared a tweet in a rumor thread and gave backstory from someone that has known of Pooch for years.

Glad it is bed time....
I hated the Melodrama and Dwightmare too.

If nothing happens by the draft, I'm moving on.
(I like to lie to myself)

I think he’s absolutely connected and reporting what he heard.

I think he missed an important thing though. Sometimes, his sources may be using him to advance their needs/cause as much as he thinks he’s using his sources to advance his career.