2020 Draft Day Discussion

[yosemiteben]

Let's say they went that route, who are the other players you think best fit the roster to build the Hornets foundation?

If you are getting 3, and you're asking on behalf of the Magic, then we're probably talking more than one future 1st / swap. Not sure individual players are relevant.

I'm not asking on behalf of the Magic. Just out of curiousity. I read something about the Celts wanting in the top three. All out of curiousity.

Gotcha. We're generally big on Okongwu around here, but we're also interested in Haliburton and Hayes. I wouldn't say CHA has the talent to target guys based on fit, so we're just looking at BPA.

I think it's not impossible for us to trade down to somewhere in the 6 to 10 range for someone that is eager to move up.

[JMAC3]

Wolves fan here. Good luck with the draft today. Been following this thread, and I will say from a Wolves fan there is no way we get a trade package from you guys without a future 1st or Washington/Graham in there. Too many teams trying to get Wiseman (GS will draft him, Chicago is now looking to go after him), so there will be competition for that trade package. Not trying to start an argument here, just stating that some of the trade ideas on here that don't include Washington/Graham and/or a future 1st is not even going to be close to cutting it. We will just draft at that point versus desperation.

Do you know what commission breath is? Good God you are overselling this pick. It could not be more obvious you do not want the pick as an organization.

Zion makes 10.2 million this season as a number 1 pick. I don't know if I want to pay anyone that much in this draft honestly. I am cool with taking who drops and save the extra 2-3 million each year.

You are asking for two of our top 4 assets to move up two spots for a guy we might be able to get with our own pick.

[clutchbeyers]

I'd do Bridges or a top 8 protected 1st to move up for Wiseman. I think that is more than fair.

This is closer to a real discussion versus the Monk and #3 for #1.

[stinger14]

I think the MOST the Hornets would offer would be something like this.

Hornets get:
#1
James Johnson

TWolves get:
#3
Rozier
Miles OR Monk

Rozier adds value as a player that can help them right away. Johnson is an expiring that nets the Hornets 3 expiring deals in Batum, Johnsin, and Cody to take on bad money for draft picks at some point.

[JMAC3]

I think the MOST the Hornets would offer would be something like this.

Hornets get:
#1
James Johnson

TWolves get:
#3
Rozier
Miles OR Monk

Rozier adds value as a player that can help them right away. Johnson is an expiring that nets the Hornets 3 expiring deals in Batum, Johnsin, and Cody to take on bad money for draft picks at some point.

What the hell is this lol?

You are saying you would trade Bridges, (Ball/Edwards/Wiseman) and Rozier for Ball/Wiseman/Edwards?

The amount of value you are just giving away is insane.

[clutchbeyers]

Wolves fan here. Good luck with the draft today. Been following this thread, and I will say from a Wolves fan there is no way we get a trade package from you guys without a future 1st or Washington/Graham in there. Too many teams trying to get Wiseman (GS will draft him, Chicago is now looking to go after him), so there will be competition for that trade package. Not trying to start an argument here, just stating that some of the trade ideas on here that don't include Washington/Graham and/or a future 1st is not even going to be close to cutting it. We will just draft at that point versus desperation.

Do you know what commission breath is? Good God you are overselling this pick. It could not be more obvious you do not want the pick as an organization.

Zion makes 10.2 million this season as a number 1 pick. I don't know if I want to pay anyone that much in this draft honestly. I am cool with taking who drops and save the extra 2-3 million each year.

You are asking for two of our top 4 assets to move up two spots for a guy we might be able to get with our own pick.

And you get defensive when all I wanted was a conversation on the topic of trading with the Wolves. Did God really need to be summoned for this? I understand all of the topics, but you also don't have the inside information on what your management is wanting to help solidify its roster. I agree that waiting to see what is available is a fine approach, but all depends on how much appetite there is to add another guard to your mix. Eat some Cheerios and relax. Have a good day and be excited for draft day!

[HornetJail]

I think the MOST the Hornets would offer would be something like this.

Hornets get:
#1
James Johnson

TWolves get:
#3
Rozier
Miles OR Monk

Rozier adds value as a player that can help them right away. Johnson is an expiring that nets the Hornets 3 expiring deals in Batum, Johnsin, and Cody to take on bad money for draft picks at some point.

What the hell is this lol?

You are saying you would trade Bridges, (Ball/Edwards/Wiseman) and Rozier for Ball/Wiseman/Edwards?

The amount of value you are just giving away is insane.

This assumes you're valuing all three of those the same, rather than having one much higher than the others

[stinger14]

I think the MOST the Hornets would offer would be something like this.

Hornets get:
#1
James Johnson

TWolves get:
#3
Rozier
Miles OR Monk

Rozier adds value as a player that can help them right away. Johnson is an expiring that nets the Hornets 3 expiring deals in Batum, Johnsin, and Cody to take on bad money for draft picks at some point.

What the hell is this lol?

You are saying you would trade Bridges, (Ball/Edwards/Wiseman) and Rozier for Ball/Wiseman/Edwards?

The amount of value you are just giving away is insane.

Never once did I say that I would make the deal. I said the MOST I could see the HORNETS offering. A 2021 top 10 pick in a loaded draft is more valuable to the Hornets than Rozier during this rebuild. If the Hornets value a certain player above the others, its an obvious deal to look into

[JMAC3]

Wolves fan here. Good luck with the draft today. Been following this thread, and I will say from a Wolves fan there is no way we get a trade package from you guys without a future 1st or Washington/Graham in there. Too many teams trying to get Wiseman (GS will draft him, Chicago is now looking to go after him), so there will be competition for that trade package. Not trying to start an argument here, just stating that some of the trade ideas on here that don't include Washington/Graham and/or a future 1st is not even going to be close to cutting it. We will just draft at that point versus desperation.

Do you know what commission breath is? Good God you are overselling this pick. It could not be more obvious you do not want the pick as an organization.

Zion makes 10.2 million this season as a number 1 pick. I don't know if I want to pay anyone that much in this draft honestly. I am cool with taking who drops and save the extra 2-3 million each year.

You are asking for two of our top 4 assets to move up two spots for a guy we might be able to get with our own pick.

And you get defensive when all I wanted was a conversation on the topic of trading with the Wolves. Did God really need to be summoned for this? I understand all of the topics, but you also don't have the inside information on what your management is wanting to help solidify its roster. I agree that waiting to see what is available is a fine approach, but all depends on how much appetite there is to add another guard to your mix. Eat some Cheerios and relax. Have a good day and be excited for draft day!

I am not being defensive, just speaking facts.

1. It is clear you want to trade pick
2. It is more expensive for us in long run
3. You want 2 of our best 4 assets (PJ, Washington, 3, and next year first)

[amcoolio]

My most likely scenario of what I think will happen is staying at 3 and taking whoever falls out of Ball/Wiseman/Edwards

I don't buy that Chicago is trading up for Wiseman, I think Wiseman is the most likely candidate to be there at 3

I think Minnesota gets no offers and takes Edwards at 1

The only way we trade back to 7 or 8 is if DET or NYK offer real assets like a future first or Barrett or Robinson

[JMAC3]

I think the MOST the Hornets would offer would be something like this.

Hornets get:
#1
James Johnson

TWolves get:
#3
Rozier
Miles OR Monk

Rozier adds value as a player that can help them right away. Johnson is an expiring that nets the Hornets 3 expiring deals in Batum, Johnsin, and Cody to take on bad money for draft picks at some point.

What the hell is this lol?

You are saying you would trade Bridges, (Ball/Edwards/Wiseman) and Rozier for Ball/Wiseman/Edwards?

The amount of value you are just giving away is insane.

This assumes you're valuing all three of those the same, rather than having one much higher than the others

I think it is more valuable to trade from 2-4 in this draft then it is from 1-3 because of the drop off in perceived talent after top 3.

That being said, Bulls are offering a solid young center to move up 2 spots. I would assume it should be roughly the same for Hornets.

[_tijo_]

I just don't think the Hornets are going to give up anything substantial for the right to trade up within the same tier of player. I think that the front office has preferences just like everyone does, but would be happy with whoever falls to them at 3.

Let's just look at the facts:
Consensus is that there are 3 players at the top of the draft.
There is no consensus on which one of these 3 are better than the other 2. They bring different games and skill sets.
The Hornets need an upgrade everywhere. This is straight out of the GM's mouth.

They aren't trading anything substantial to move up.

[clutchbeyers]

Do you know what commission breath is? Good God you are overselling this pick. It could not be more obvious you do not want the pick as an organization.

Zion makes 10.2 million this season as a number 1 pick. I don't know if I want to pay anyone that much in this draft honestly. I am cool with taking who drops and save the extra 2-3 million each year.

You are asking for two of our top 4 assets to move up two spots for a guy we might be able to get with our own pick.

And you get defensive when all I wanted was a conversation on the topic of trading with the Wolves. Did God really need to be summoned for this? I understand all of the topics, but you also don't have the inside information on what your management is wanting to help solidify its roster. I agree that waiting to see what is available is a fine approach, but all depends on how much appetite there is to add another guard to your mix. Eat some Cheerios and relax. Have a good day and be excited for draft day!

I am not being defensive, just speaking facts.

1. It is clear you want to trade pick
2. It is more expensive for us in long run
3. You want 2 of our best 4 assets (PJ, Washington, 3, and next year first)

1. We want to trade pick if the right package is offered.
2. It is by 1.6 million, correct.
3. Yes, giving up 2 good assets would be expected. Dropping 2 spots for you to throw in Malik Monk? What? Also, I thought PJ and Washington were the same guy?

[UNCNYC]

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WHO'S THERE?

3RD PICK IN THE NBA DRAFT

3RD PICK IN THE NBA DRAFT WHO?

Spoiler:

Tyrell Terry

[James Gatz]

My most likely scenario of what I think will happen is staying at 3 and taking whoever falls out of Ball/Wiseman/Edwards

I don't buy that Chicago is trading up for Wiseman, I think Wiseman is the most likely candidate to be there at 3

I think Minnesota gets no offers and takes Edwards at 1

The only way we trade back to 7 or 8 is if DET or NYK offer real assets like a future first or Barrett or Robinson

This is basically my thinking as well. CHI would be trading up to 2 for Ball, not Wiseman.

We likely stay at 3 and draft whoever is left. Fingers crossed it's Ball or Edwards. It wouldn't surprise me if Wiseman has the best rookie year but in terms of a career he's got the lowest upside.

[driveandkick]

That Kenneth McMillian guy doesn’t know anything, disregard anything he says

[amcoolio]

I will say that I have flipped on Ball and now I want him the most of the top 3. I trust Bobby Marks and Giovony with their reports on Ball being a gamer and spending the last year (its been a year since we saw him) fixing his shot. If Ball shoots just average from 3 then he is a no brainer pick.

[James Gatz]

All of the mocks have us taking Ball currently. Including the updated ESPN/Draft express one.

[Braggins]

I don't think we can beat the WCJ + 4 package to move up without doing something that doesn't make sense. Maybe I'm biased because I have no interest in trading up at all really, but either way, I don't think we are getting Wiseman if Chicago wants him.

[LofJ]

I don't know why anyone would take Edwards when he just told the whole world that he could take or leave basketball (unless he was BSing so he would drop).