[Woj] Horford, Ferg, 1st, 2nd for Danny Green

Post #81 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:09 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:BTW, I fully change my take if this can be expanded to include a Noel S&T.

how much room after the original deal is there under the apron?

I don't care. Bring me Noel, or return the pick.

babyjax13 · Post #82 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:15 pm

Steal for Philly, but not bad for OKC, either. I would like to think that they should have gotten one more asset, but Horford will be a nice fit on their team.

Prospect Dong · Post #83 » by **Prospect Dong** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:16 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:I feel like OKC should have gotten more to take Horford. Green had value on his own.

I'm less certain about Green's value on that salary, but I broadly agree with this - feels a little light for OKC, especially with the pick protected to take away their longshot upside. But the strategy for them is fine, they didn't give up anything they really value, so I'm fine with it, I just would have expected the negotiation to skew their way a little more than it did.

Phobo_Phile · Post #84 » by **Phobo_Phile** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:16 pm

Why do I get the feeling that Horford is going to have a monster year and then somehow through Presti magic he's able to flip Horford again for more picks in a year or two?

jayjaysee · Post #85 » by **jayjaysee** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:16 pm

Presti paying Morey back for the CP trade with this one?

But Presti is playing chess honestly. OKC has acquired so many picks and can still push for the playoffs..

Post #86 » by **ThunderBolt** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:16 pm

GutUNC wrote:
psman2 wrote:
tobysunsfan wrote:Home run trade for the Sixers, get two decent role players in Ferguson and Green and off Horford. It's a shame to get rid of a first and high second, especially when you're ultra capped out, but at least it's not 5 picks, some teams would pay a first just to get Green and Ferguson.

If that was true then Presti would have made that trade. I got Ferguson as a negative contract that no team would give even cap space for. Green too was not fetching a 1st without long term bad money coming to OKC which is what just happened.

Ferguson is a 40% 3PT shooter on a rookie contract for another year or two. How is that a negative contract? He's not a world beater or anything but...

In what world is Ferguson a 40% three point shooter? I get wanting to be excited for Ferguson but he genuinely sucks.

Billl · Post #87 » by **Billl** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:17 pm

Both teams got what they wanted, so I'd call it a win-win.

nolang1 · Post #88 » by **nolang1** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:17 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:There were plenty of center minutes available for Horford though. I don't understand them not needing Horford.

Tax midlevel is in play now, and probably Simmons should be playing at backup center if they're keeping him and trying to maximize him.

Post #89 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:19 pm

nolang1 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:There were plenty of center minutes available for Horford though. I don't understand them not needing Horford.

Tax midlevel is in play now, and probably Simmons should be playing at backup center if they're keeping him and trying to maximize him.

Tax mid level was always possible.

Xman · Post #90 » by **Xman** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:19 pm

With the cap space - maybe get Tucker $8 and DRivers $2.4 and McLemore $2.3 from HOU - would really round out bench.

Wouldn't ATL have taken Horford for much less?
Ferguson seems useless.
Seems like there would have been better options. Rozier and Zeller (or picks to not take him)? - or, Rozier and Green?
To Dallas for Hardaway and Wright?

Post #91 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:19 pm

It's already a win for the Sixers. Could be great for us if the ''rehab'' works as planned for Al Horford. But in the end it's not a a big deal since we will need to pay some players and we are not planning to sign any FA

clippertown · Post #92 » by **clippertown** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:21 pm

Good for OKC to pick up more assets but the team will be brutal to watch next season. The team seems mismatched with almost zero offense. SGA is gonna have a tough season without CP3. Hopefully in a few years OKC can become relevant again but many of their picks rely on other teams to crash and burn or those many picks will all be very late in the draft.

Topofthekey · Post #93 » by **Topofthekey** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:22 pm

Huge win for the 6ers

They got rid of Horford's contract really cheaply, and got back a player that is actually useful for them

jimmy keys · Post #94 » by **jimmy keys** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:24 pm

Future draft order

Pick 1 - OKC
Pick 2 - OKC
Pick 3 - OKC
Pick 4 - OKC
Pick 5 - New Orleans
Pick 6 - OKC
Pick 7 - OKC
Pick 8 - OKC
Pick 9 - New Orleans
Pick 10 - New Orleans
Pick 11 - OKC
Pick 12 - OKC
Pick 13 - OKC
Pick 14 - OKC
Pick 15 - OKC
Pick 16 - New Orleans
Pick 17 - OKC
Pick 18 - OKC
Pick 19 - OKC
Pick 20 - OKC
Pick 21 - OKC
Pick 22 - OKC
Pick 23 - New Orleans
Pick 24 - OKC
Pick 25 - OKC
Pick 26 - OKC
Pick 27 - OKC
Pick 28 - New Orleans
Pick 29 - New Orleans
Pick 30 - OKC

psman2 · Post #95 » by **psman2** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:24 pm

Phobo_Phile wrote:Why do I get the feeling that Horford is going to have a monster year and then somehow through Presti magic he's able to flip Horford again for more picks in a year or two?

It would be the 1st monster season he has ever had. Don't get me wrong he has been a good player for a long time, but he was never a huge stat guy ever. A monster season is what 13/7 from him now.

Laimbeer · Post #96 » by **Laimbeer** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:24 pm

That's a truckload of money for a distant first.

Post #97 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:27 pm

clippertown wrote:Good for OKC to pick up more assets but the team will be brutal to watch next season. The team seems mismatched with almost zero offense. SGA is gonna have a tough season without CP3. Hopefully in a few years OKC can become relevant again but many of their picks rely on other teams to crash and burn or those many picks will all be very late in the draft.

They are nowhere near done. The chances of all of the picks (including OKC’s own) being late is very low. It’s a numbers game.

patman66 · Post #98 » by **patman66** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:28 pm

This is an outstanding deal for Philly. I would like it more for OKC if they keep Gallo, if for nothing but to keep Horford interested. I'm concerned that Al mails it in if the team does not compete. OKC ownership stepped up big time here, paying all that money for Al just to get future picks.

Xman · Post #99 » by **Xman** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:28 pm

The trick now will be for OKC to do something to help NO - in exchange for those long range 1sts from Mil and LAL.

Phobo_Phile · Post #100 » by **Phobo_Phile** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:28 pm

psman2 wrote:
Phobo_Phile wrote:Why do I get the feeling that Horford is going to have a monster year and then somehow through Presti magic he's able to flip Horford again for more picks in a year or two?

It would be the 1st monster season he has ever had. Don't get me wrong he has been a good player for a long time, but he was never a huge stat guy ever. A monster season is what 13/7 from him now.

I am now a firm believer in Presti's voodoo and the spell he is able to cast upon the other 29 front offices.

Green for Horford and picks: your take?