[Woj] Horford, Ferg, 1st, 2nd for Danny Green

Post #101 » by **gswhoops** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:29 pm

dilbert719 wrote:What was that people were saying about Horford costing 2-3 firsts to move?

RGM consistently over-values how much it would take to move bad deals tbh

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Post #102 » by **pacers33granger** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:31 pm

BullyKing wrote:I guess the trade is fine but I just can't get over how much damage Elton Brand managed to do in a single year.

Could've just resigned JJ and you're in a similar spot but without losing a pick. Brand really did a number on Philly right after Colangelo stripped the team of assets.

psman2 · Post #103 » by **psman2** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:31 pm

Phobo_Phile wrote:
psman2 wrote:
Phobo_Phile wrote:Why do I get the feeling that Horford is going to have a monster year and then somehow through Presti magic he's able to flip Horford again for more picks in a year or two?

It would be the 1st monster season he has ever had. Don't get me wrong he has been a good player for a long time, but he was never a huge stat guy ever. A monster season is what 13/7 from him now.

I am now a firm believer in Presti's voodoo and the spell he is able to cast upon the other 29 front offices.

I am a strong believer in Horford's weak rebounding skills. I think if Presti can get off of him for an expiring before his partial guaranteed last year then a lot of chickens will have died in OKC to make it happen. Still a good gamble.

jayjaysee · Post #104 » by **jayjaysee** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:32 pm

clippertown wrote:Good for OKC to pick up more assets but the team will be brutal to watch next season. The team seems mismatched with almost zero offense. SGA is gonna have a tough season without CP3. Hopefully in a few years OKC can become relevant again but many of their picks rely on other teams to crash and burn or those many picks will all be very late in the draft.

We said that last year. All Presti has to do is pay Gallo and they can be just as good as last year..

shrink · Post #105 » by **shrink** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:34 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:Small scale, but giving #34 versus #36 could be annoying.

If you deal with Presti, he leaves nothing on the table! Bet he went to war for that.

JB2 · Post #106 » by **JB2** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:34 pm

Good for both, IMO. But yeah, Presti is a pimp.

Sucks Philly had to part with a 1st to make it happen but that's the cost to correct Brand's mistake. Now they have another 3&D guy around Embiid/Simmons but also could flip DG to Houston in a Harden trade if needed.

donkeylips · Post #107 » by **donkeylips** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:34 pm

dilbert719 wrote:What was that people were saying about Horford costing 2-3 firsts to move?

the same people probably said wiggins and mozgov would take two unprotected firsts to move

Post #108 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:41 pm

My guess is that generally Horford would take more than 1 first to move, but because OKC has a ton of picks in the near future that they would rather 1 pick in 2025 than 2 picks from now until then.

I think it's pretty savvy. Philly picks aren't going to be much special for the next year or two but a lot can happen in 5 years. Getting a lightly protected pick that far out gives you a better shot at a quality pick than 2 picks in the nearer future.

Essentially, if you are dealing with a good team, a pick 5 years from now may have more value than a pick next year.

clippertown · Post #109 » by **clippertown** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:44 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
clippertown wrote:Good for OKC to pick up more assets but the team will be brutal to watch next season. The team seems mismatched with almost zero offense. SGA is gonna have a tough season without CP3. Hopefully in a few years OKC can become relevant again but many of their picks rely on other teams to crash and burn or those many picks will all be very late in the draft.

They are nowhere near done. The chances of all of the picks (including OKC’s own) being late is very low. It’s a numbers game.

They have lots of picks (in addition to their own) but nothing that is great. Clips, Suns, Sixers and Heat are all going to be playoff teams for the foreseeable future. Rockets are about to trade both Harden and Westbrook and are not about to be in rebuilding mode anytime soon with the assets they get (most likely including Simmons) but who knows. In addition, there is only one all-star talent on the current team and he has a long way to go to get there. They had a Championship potential squad and now they have bad contracts and lots of late picks.

2020 = 25 + 28
2021 = Heat + Rockets
2022 = Clips + Suns (P)
2023 = Clips + Heat (P)
2024 = Clips + Rockets (P)
2025 = Clips + Rockets (P) + Sixers (P)

SoCalJazzFan · Post #110 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:44 pm

loserX wrote:Salary impact:

Philly saves/OKC takes on:
20/21: $12,134,146
21/22: $27,000,000
22/23: $26,500,000 or can cut him for $14,500,000 dead money

That is a LOT. Horford is still productive but I have this as a clear win for Philly.

Philly saves in the neighborhood of $75M+ in repeater luxury taxes from this move. Presti did Morey a solid.

Post #111 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:45 pm

gswhoops wrote:
dilbert719 wrote:What was that people were saying about Horford costing 2-3 firsts to move?

RGM consistently over-values how much it would take to move bad deals tbh

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This feels like an interested post

Post #112 » by **gswhoops** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:47 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
dilbert719 wrote:What was that people were saying about Horford costing 2-3 firsts to move?

RGM consistently over-values how much it would take to move bad deals tbh

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This feels like an interested post

Lol, I stand by it either way

Post #113 » by **SD2042** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:51 pm

mglviks1 wrote:OKC presti just kills it everytime. Stop trading with him.

Presti is playing his best Danny Ainge of the West.

kb02 · Post #114 » by **kb02** » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:59 pm

Good deal for Philly. Don't get the celebration regarding the 1st in 2025. My bet, OKC prefers a 2025 first rather than a sooner first. Why? Philly will likely be out of its window by then.

Having a good laugh over folks saying it's a clear win that Horford would only take one 1st to punt. When people were assuming Horford plus Zhaire plus 24 was enough for Buddy. Buddy > Green. Levels above.

Post #115 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:02 am

kb02 wrote:Good deal for Philly. Don't get the celebration regarding the 1st in 2025. My bet, OKC prefers a 2025 first rather than a sooner first. Why? Philly will likely be out of its window by then.

Having a good laugh over folks saying it's a clear win that Horford would only take one 1st to punt. When people were assuming Horford plus Zhaire plus 24 was enough for Buddy. Buddy > Green. Levels above.

I have Green >>>> Buddy, fwiw.

Post #116 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:11 am

jayjaysee wrote:
clippertown wrote:Good for OKC to pick up more assets but the team will be brutal to watch next season. The team seems mismatched with almost zero offense. SGA is gonna have a tough season without CP3. Hopefully in a few years OKC can become relevant again but many of their picks rely on other teams to crash and burn or those many picks will all be very late in the draft.

We said that last year. All Presti has to do is pay Gallo and they can be just as good as last year..

They do have a lot of solid veteran players on the roster, but missing Chris Paul I'm not sold on that. Still he is picking up a lot of assets and he can have a competitive team or he can run the deadline just like he is running the off-season.

aguiar95 · Post #117 » by **aguiar95** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:11 am

OKC lineup next year:

SGA
'22 1st
'25 1st
'23 1st
'24 1st

Couch Potato · Post #118 » by **Couch Potato** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:11 am

Looks like i'm eating some crow. I thought it take a larger haul to dump Horford. Didn't expect the Thunder to take him though. But Thunder have way to many picks down the line. Have to move up or move down or out some drafts. War chest over flowing. They went gentle with 76ers. Still top 6 protect in 2025? Who knows what 76ers look like then. But yeah I was wrong. Horford playing PF or off the bench? Gallinari walking now? Thunder still have Adams as a expiring deal.

doctor him · Post #119 » by **doctor him** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:12 am

Couch Potato wrote:Looks like i'm eating some crow. I thought it take a larger haul to dump Horford. Didn't expect the Thunder to take him though. But Thunder have way to many picks down the line. Have to move up or move down or out some drafts. War chest over flowing. They went gentle with 76ers. Still top 6 protect in 2025? Who knows what 76ers look like then. But yeah I was wrong. Horford playing PF or off the bench? Gallinari walking now? Thunder still have Adams as a expiring deal.

Respect. We all get out onto a limb in terms of under/over reacting to perceived player values.

I have it as a solid deal going both ways. The Thunder will flip Adams and/or Horford for other assets and their 2028 championship hopes are looking very very bright from here. The Sixers got a better fit at a reasonable price. Everyone goes home happy here and no side feels they were fleeced.

This is how every exchange "should" work.

GutUNC · Post #120 » by **GutUNC** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:51 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
GutUNC wrote:
psman2 wrote:
If that was true then Presti would have made that trade. I got Ferguson as a negative contract that no team would give even cap space for. Green too was not fetching a 1st without long term bad money coming to OKC which is what just happened.

Ferguson is a 40% 3PT shooter on a rookie contract for another year or two. How is that a negative contract? He's not a world beater or anything but...

He shoots 40 from the floor. 29% from 3 last year, 34 ish on the career. He’s an insane leaper, some decent skills. Was working hard on the corner 3. But very much a project still.

Lol...that’s what I get for quickly scanning a stat sheet for a guy I had little/no info on. Still don’t think his rookie scale contract is something to be worried about....but E1.

Green for Horford and picks: your take?