Clippers roster, what's next?

[esqtvd]

Kawhi and PG have one foot out the door. I'd want MORE money to sign with the Clippers, not take less.

As for Trezz [and Senior too], they can go wherever they want for free. All the Clippers can get in a S&T is a contract somebody wants to dump.

what makes you conclude they have one foot out the door?

I was under the impression that they signed 2 year deals in order to be eligible to sign super-max deals

Contractually, that Kawhi and PG have one foot out the door is a fact--and the whole NBA knows it. Go or stay, each will make plenty of money regardless. If Kawhi cared about the extra money from a supermax, he'd have signed for more than 2 years in the first place. Instead he chose the flexibility of an opt-out.

It's starting to occur to even the fans here [not to mention the "fans" ] that the Clippers are f*ked. Absent a desperation earthquake move--and acquiring Westbrook is the only one I can see with our cupboard bare--we're "running it back" with less talent than we had in the bubble.

Kawhi and PG turned in the worst Game 7 in NBA history and everybody here positively HATES everyone else on our roster except Zubac. Me, I'm just enjoying the show.

You aren't "enjoying" anything, you're miserable. You're all in your feelings because the Clippers fired the worst coach in sports history.

I admit I'm laughing at you and the other "fans." Doc is gone and the problems still remain.

[Roscoe Sheed]

Kawhi and PG have one foot out the door. I'd want MORE money to sign with the Clippers, not take less.

As for Trezz [and Senior too], they can go wherever they want for free. All the Clippers can get in a S&T is a contract somebody wants to dump.

what makes you conclude they have one foot out the door?

I was under the impression that they signed 2 year deals in order to be eligible to sign super-max deals

Contractually, that Kawhi and PG have one foot out the door is a fact--and the whole NBA knows it. Go or stay, each will make plenty of money regardless. If Kawhi cared about the extra money from a supermax, he'd have signed for more than 2 years in the first place. Instead he chose the flexibility of an opt-out.

It's starting to occur to even the fans here [not to mention the "fans" ] that the Clippers are f*ked. Absent a desperation earthquake move--and acquiring Westbrook is the only one I can see with our cupboard bare--we're "running it back" with less talent than we had in the bubble.

Kawhi and PG turned in the worst Game 7 in NBA history and everybody here positively HATES everyone else on our roster except Zubac. Me, I'm just enjoying the show.

You aren't "enjoying" anything, you're miserable. You're all in your feelings because the Clippers fired the worst coach in sports history.

I admit I'm laughing at you and the other "fans." Doc is gone and the problems still remain.

You may be right, but it is way too early to conclude that considering we haven't seen the set roster for this season and not even one pre-season game has been played yet

[MartinToVaught]

Nobody ever said Doc was the team's only problem, just that he was the biggest problem.

You spent all of last season shouting down anyone who talked about ANY problem with this team, unless it fit into your ridiculous anti-Zubac agenda. Now you're rooting for the team to fail because you think it will somehow vindicate Doc.

[esqtvd]

I cant see Rondo being a legit option because signing him on a two year deal for anything more than the minimum doesnt really make sense, barring some other fantastic moves. Rondo wouldnt sign a two year minimum deal, so...

Additionally, hes a backup PG. You cant rely on him being your starting PG over the course of the season. Especially with Lou and Bev in the rotation next to him. Rondo as a backup and spot starter works, but thats because you are turning over your backcourt and you have already acquired a starting PG.

Agree completely yet the media tells us the Clips are considering it. Frankly, Rubio is THE legit PG out there--8 apg career--but our starting 5 was never really the problem.

The "fans" here endlessly d-bagging on Lou and Trezz but how to replace their 35 ppg off the bench? The problem was that we scored a record-pitiful 35 points in the 2nd half of Game 6 and Game 7. Is Rubio the answer in crunchtime??

You see why the Clips are at least thinking about Rondo...

[MartinToVaught]

The "fans" here endlessly d-bagging on Lou and Trezz but how to replace their 35 ppg off the bench?

That 35 PPG was a regular-season mirage to begin with. In the games that actually mattered, they were only giving us 23 PPG while still being terrible defensively. Nobody cares how much you can score against tanking teams' bench players in February when you can't produce against good teams in the playoffs.

[KL2]

Not roster related but a schedule one.

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[esqtvd]

You aren't "enjoying" anything, you're miserable. You're all in your feelings because the Clippers fired the worst coach in sports history.

I admit I'm laughing at you and the other "fans." Doc is gone and the problems still remain.

You may be right, but it is way too early to conclude that considering we haven't seen the set roster for this season and not even one pre-season game has been played yet

Thx, man. It's nothing I haven't been saying since the disaster of Game 6 and especially Game 7. No superstar--let alone TWO--should EVER have permitted their team to lose to the estimable but frankly 2nd-tier Nuggets.

I don't think anybody immediately realized what happened.

This house of cards collapsed THEN--nothing can save it and I've said so ever since. We're just observing the fallout. Firing Doc was necessary to save face for Kawhi and PG's historic choke--and for the Front Office to cover their ass for putting together a roster full of poseurs. [Sorry Pat.]

Not to mention zilllionaire CEO Ballmer---He thinks he knows something about basketball. He signed off on EVERY MOVE. Of course there was no choice but to blame and fire Doc. No doubt the org checked with Kawhi if it was OK to fire Doc--who helped bring him here--and Kawhi signed off on it.

It was unanimous. And FTR I agreed too. Kawhi and PG quit like dogs in Game 7. Don't care how or why. The troops accepted defeat, the general had to be fired. See McClellan and Grant.


Mr Sheed---When the season starts, I'll be back in fan mode--CHEERING for my team, not predicting how and why they'll lose--like some of the "fans" around here negging out every game thread.

[clipperlover]

Esqtvd is just going full doomer because his favorite coach finally got shown the door. He's a Rivers fan, not a Clippers fan.

Have differences of opinions all you want. However, I have been posting with the guy on Clippers boards for probably 20 years. He IS MOST DEFINITELY a Clippers fan.

[og15]

I cant see Rondo being a legit option because signing him on a two year deal for anything more than the minimum doesnt really make sense, barring some other fantastic moves. Rondo wouldnt sign a two year minimum deal, so...

Additionally, hes a backup PG. You cant rely on him being your starting PG over the course of the season. Especially with Lou and Bev in the rotation next to him. Rondo as a backup and spot starter works, but thats because you are turning over your backcourt and you have already acquired a starting PG.

Agree completely yet the media tells us the Clips are considering it. Frankly, Rubio is THE legit PG out there--8 apg career--but our starting 5 was never really the problem.

The "fans" here endlessly d-bagging on Lou and Trezz but how to replace their 35 ppg off the bench? The problem was that we scored a record-pitiful 35 points in the 2nd half of Game 6 and Game 7. Is Rubio the answer in crunchtime??

You see why the Clips are at least thinking about Rondo...

Bench scoring is good, but it has its limitations as we know. Bench scoring is partially a product of minutes played off the bench, hence why that regular season 35 ppg playing 28 and 29 mpg is different in the playoffs when playing 24 and 19 mpg and tougher defensive game plans. If Lou and Trezz are gone, the scoring will be replaced by other guys as I'm assuming they wouldn't for nothing. Teams usually don't have issues replacing scoring if stars aren't being lost. Now, you might not necessarily get as efficient scoring as you lost, but it depends.

Lou is an average efficiency player, but he is a shot creator, you lose him, and a guy like Marcus Morris would be scoring more and playing more with your bench units. If a Reggie Jackson remains, you will give him a higher scoring role, the scoring will just balance out to other guys unless you actually have no capable scorers.

Paul George due to recovering from injury played 29.6 mpg, you have him up to 35-36 mpg, and that's someone on the floor to cover another 6-7 ppg, Morris can give you another pretty efficient 3-4 ppg in similar minutes, etc, etc.

[Captain Ballmer]

I cant see Rondo being a legit option because signing him on a two year deal for anything more than the minimum doesnt really make sense, barring some other fantastic moves. Rondo wouldnt sign a two year minimum deal, so...

Additionally, hes a backup PG. You cant rely on him being your starting PG over the course of the season. Especially with Lou and Bev in the rotation next to him. Rondo as a backup and spot starter works, but thats because you are turning over your backcourt and you have already acquired a starting PG.

Agree completely yet the media tells us the Clips are considering it. Frankly, Rubio is THE legit PG out there--8 apg career--but our starting 5 was never really the problem.

The "fans" here endlessly d-bagging on Lou and Trezz but how to replace their 35 ppg off the bench? The problem was that we scored a record-pitiful 35 points in the 2nd half of Game 6 and Game 7. Is Rubio the answer in crunchtime??

You see why the Clips are at least thinking about Rondo...

Bench scoring is good, but it has its limitations as we know. Bench scoring is partially a product of minutes played off the bench, hence why that regular season 35 ppg playing 28 and 29 mpg is different in the playoffs when playing 24 and 19 mpg and tougher defensive game plans. If Lou and Trezz are gone, the scoring will be replaced by other guys as I'm assuming they wouldn't for nothing. Teams usually don't have issues replacing scoring if stars aren't being lost. Now, you might not necessarily get as efficient scoring as you lost, but it depends.

Lou is an average efficiency player, but he is a shot creator, you lose him, and a guy like Marcus Morris would be scoring more and playing more with your bench units. If a Reggie Jackson remains, you will give him a higher scoring role, the scoring will just balance out to other guys unless you actually have no capable scorers.

Paul George due to recovering from injury played 29.6 mpg, you have him up to 35-36 mpg, and that's someone on the floor to cover another 6-7 ppg, Morris can give you another pretty efficient 3-4 ppg in similar minutes, etc, etc.

Dont sleep on Shamet&Zubac. Their ceiling on offense is much bigger than what they have been used for.

[SK21209]

I'm seeing some rumors that we're dangling Lou for a first round pick, maybe Dallas at 18. I'd be all for this as it would give us a better asset to throw in a S&T with Trez. There may even be someone in the mid to late first round range that the front office really believes in.

[esqtvd]

I cant see Rondo being a legit option because signing him on a two year deal for anything more than the minimum doesnt really make sense, barring some other fantastic moves. Rondo wouldnt sign a two year minimum deal, so...

Additionally, hes a backup PG. You cant rely on him being your starting PG over the course of the season. Especially with Lou and Bev in the rotation next to him. Rondo as a backup and spot starter works, but thats because you are turning over your backcourt and you have already acquired a starting PG.

Agree completely yet the media tells us the Clips are considering it. Frankly, Rubio is THE legit PG out there--8 apg career--but our starting 5 was never really the problem.

The "fans" here endlessly d-bagging on Lou and Trezz but how to replace their 35 ppg off the bench? The problem was that we scored a record-pitiful 35 points in the 2nd half of Game 6 and Game 7. Is Rubio the answer in crunchtime??

You see why the Clips are at least thinking about Rondo...

Bench scoring is good, but it has its limitations as we know. Bench scoring is partially a product of minutes played off the bench, hence why that regular season 35 ppg playing 28 and 29 mpg is different in the playoffs when playing 24 and 19 mpg and tougher defensive game plans. If Lou and Trezz are gone, the scoring will be replaced by other guys as I'm assuming they wouldn't for nothing. Teams usually don't have issues replacing scoring if stars aren't being lost. Now, you might not necessarily get as efficient scoring as you lost, but it depends.

Lou is an average efficiency player, but he is a shot creator, you lose him, and a guy like Marcus Morris would be scoring more and playing more with your bench units. If a Reggie Jackson remains, you will give him a higher scoring role, the scoring will just balance out to other guys unless you actually have no capable scorers.

Paul George due to recovering from injury played 29.6 mpg, you have him up to 35-36 mpg, and that's someone on the floor to cover another 6-7 ppg, Morris can give you another pretty efficient 3-4 ppg in similar minutes, etc, etc.

Of course, the point is that PG DID play 37 minutes in the playoffs @ 20 ppg and and Morris DID play 30 @ 12 ppg and we ended up scoring 35 points in the second half of Games 6 and 7. Zu did well at 24 minutes and 9 ppg but he really can't create his own offense. Everybody else was crap.

After the Lakers acquire Dennis Schroder and we're here praying for Shamet--a lifetime 10 ppg scorer--to become a real offensive force or we're even MENTIONING Reggie Jackson, well, I think that's an admission how dire things really are.

[wco81]

Maybe try to sign a FA PG, possibly cheap, like Jeff Teague?

[TucsonClip]

I dont think the price to attain Hill nor Bledsoe will be high. We have the Pistons 2023 2nd, I believe could fetch Hill. That could be part of a Trez 3 team sign and trade, it also could be a McGruder + DET pick package. Lots of options to pick up one of these PGs, thats without even discussing a Lou deal.

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[Quake Griffin]

The Thunder are getting Al Horford and picks from the Sixers for Danny Green?

I'd love to bring in Al and ship out Trezzy.

[SK21209]

The Thunder are getting Al Horford and picks from the Sixers for Danny Green?

I'd love to bring in Al and ship out Trezzy.

Maybe there’s a way to send them Trez and Lou for Horford and Rubio? Unfortunately, they have every incentive not to do any deal that improves us.

[og15]

The Thunder are getting Al Horford and picks from the Sixers for Danny Green?

I'd love to bring in Al and ship out Trezzy.

Maybe there’s a way to send them Trez and Lou for Horford and Rubio? Unfortunately, they have every incentive not to do any deal that improves us.

Thunder are trying to accumulate picks. If you look at every deal, they have received picks. Clippers have already given the Thunder picks and don't have any more to give them, nor should the Clippers really be trading any picks at this moment

[esqtvd]

The Thunder are getting Al Horford and picks from the Sixers for Danny Green?

I'd love to bring in Al and ship out Trezzy.

Maybe there’s a way to send them Trez and Lou for Horford and Rubio? Unfortunately, they have every incentive not to do any deal that improves us.

Yes, the current conspiracy theory on the internet is that Presti's helping all the Clippers' rivals so Ballmer blows it all up [or Kawhi blows it all up by leaving] and our draft picks skyrocket in value.

Pretty good plan.

[esqtvd]

I dont think the price to attain Hill nor Bledsoe will be high. We have the Pistons 2023 2nd, I believe could fetch Hill. That could be part of a Trez 3 team sign and trade, it also could be a McGruder + DET pick package. Lots of options to pick up one of these PGs, thats without even discussing a Lou deal.

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Hill would be helpful although he's only good for 20 mpg, turns 35 in May and is still signed for 3 years at $9M+ per.

Dunno if we have anything trade to offset his cap number either...

[TucsonClip]

Hill would be helpful although he's only good for 20 mpg, turns 35 in May and is still signed for 3 years at $9M+ per.

Dunno if we have anything trade to offset his cap number either...

Na, he has 2 years, with the second partially guaranteed at just over $1 mil if we need out. We can easily pull that deal off.