Clippers roster, what's next?

[MartinToVaught]

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We're not getting anyone this offseason. The PG trade has destroyed this franchise.

[TucsonClip]

Dang thats nice for Minny. Would have loved to have Rubio.

[esqtvd]

Hill would be helpful although he's only good for 20 mpg, turns 35 in May and is still signed for 3 years at $9M+ per.

Dunno if we have anything trade to offset his cap number either...

Na, he has 2 years, with the second partially guaranteed at just over $1 mil if we need out. We can easily pull that deal off.

34 1/2 years old
20 mpg
$9M/yr

a classic Doc deal eh?

[nickhx2]

losing rubio is a shame but what are you gonna do with no draft picks for assets

[MartinToVaught]

It really is Lob City again. The rest of the league gets better around us and we're stuck with a team that will never be good enough. Depressing.

[KL2]

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Done deal.

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WHAT

[esqtvd]

must be something up

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15.8 ppg--that's more like it

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Season      G GS   MP  FG  FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P% eFG%  FT FTA  FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
2019-20    28 25 32.9 5.4 12.2 .442 2.6 6.5 .399 .548 2.4 2.7 .893 3.5 4.1 0.4 0.2 1.5 2.3 15.8
Career    164 44 23.3 3.6  8.1 .441 1.6 3.9 .402 .539 1.1 1.3 .863 2.8 2.2 0.5 0.2 1.0 1.5  9.8


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[MartinToVaught]

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Not sure what the point of this trade is. One three-point specialist for another. Doesn't address any of our needs.

[TucsonClip]

This is a good deal, even though some really love Shamet.

Kennard is the better player in nearly all facets. Hes a scorer, 40% from three, can run second side actions, can create man up with the ball. Hes legitimately a good guard. The problem is he cant stay healthy. You can make a case this is Lou's replacement, barring what else we are able to do.

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[TheNewEra]

I would of taken 19 instead but I guess this is a upgrade. Luke has to be paid after the season

[clipsfever]

T Mann climbing up the rotation...

[og15]

Agree completely yet the media tells us the Clips are considering it. Frankly, Rubio is THE legit PG out there--8 apg career--but our starting 5 was never really the problem.

The "fans" here endlessly d-bagging on Lou and Trezz but how to replace their 35 ppg off the bench? The problem was that we scored a record-pitiful 35 points in the 2nd half of Game 6 and Game 7. Is Rubio the answer in crunchtime??

You see why the Clips are at least thinking about Rondo...

Bench scoring is good, but it has its limitations as we know. Bench scoring is partially a product of minutes played off the bench, hence why that regular season 35 ppg playing 28 and 29 mpg is different in the playoffs when playing 24 and 19 mpg and tougher defensive game plans. If Lou and Trezz are gone, the scoring will be replaced by other guys as I'm assuming they wouldn't for nothing. Teams usually don't have issues replacing scoring if stars aren't being lost. Now, you might not necessarily get as efficient scoring as you lost, but it depends.

Lou is an average efficiency player, but he is a shot creator, you lose him, and a guy like Marcus Morris would be scoring more and playing more with your bench units. If a Reggie Jackson remains, you will give him a higher scoring role, the scoring will just balance out to other guys unless you actually have no capable scorers.

Paul George due to recovering from injury played 29.6 mpg, you have him up to 35-36 mpg, and that's someone on the floor to cover another 6-7 ppg, Morris can give you another pretty efficient 3-4 ppg in similar minutes, etc, etc.

Of course, the point is that PG DID play 37 minutes in the playoffs @ 20 ppg and and Morris DID play 30 @ 12 ppg and we ended up scoring 35 points in the second half of Games 6 and 7. Zu did well at 24 minutes and 9 ppg but he really can't create his own offense. Everybody else was crap.

After the Lakers acquire Dennis Schroder and we're here praying for Shamet--a lifetime 10 ppg scorer--to become a real offensive force or we're even MENTIONING Reggie Jackson, well, I think that's an admission how dire things really are.

The constant 2nd half / end of game collapse wasn't due to lack of scorers, it was due different things, lack of adequate coaching adjustments, lack of playmakers, lack of high IQ players (which Lou and Harrell are not). So how much PPG guys put up isn't what the issue was, the Clippers would have done better with Boris Diaw in place of Harrell even if Diaw scores far fewer points, even over that series, and the Clippers would have done better with Rubio playing Lou Williams' minutes even though Rubio is a pretty unimpressive scorer. Heck, Lou Williams scored more than Chris Paul during the regular season, while playing fewer minutes, but none of us would think that Lou Williams can even sniff matching the impact of Paul offensively or could even match him as a scorer in the post-season.

My point is that "replacing" the 37 ppg (correction to the previously stated 35 ppg) is not what is important, because as long as some playmaking, shooting and finishing talent is present, ppg can be replaced. For example, when Blake got injured in 15-16, during the stretch he was out, Redick went from 15.1 ppg to 17.3 ppg. DJ went from 11 ppg to 14.2 ppg, Paul went from 17.7 ppg to 21.0 ppg, Crawford went from 11.4 ppg to 15.6 ppg, efficiency stayed around the same or even higher. Wesley Johnson in only his minutes at PF and Pierce averaged about 12 ppg during that span. So the Clippers lost 23 ppg from Blake, and got about 12 ppg from his replacements in his minutes, and then Paul, Redick, Jordan, Crawford combined to increase their total ppg by 12.9 ppg, so total that was around 24.9 ppg.

So let's just say whomever replaces their minutes each average 12 ppg each in those minutes. That's 24 ppg in their minutes compared to 37 ppg, so you're down 13 ppg. PG playing more can cover 6 ppg, so you need to get 7 ppg, basically 3-4 more guys would need to add about 1-2 ppg to their averages to make it up, that's how it spreads out.


So let's look at the problem games:

Lou Williams averaged 22.7 mpg / 8.3 ppg / 31% FG / 18% 3PT in the last three games of the series.
Harrell averaged 18.9 mpg / 10.3 ppg / 57% FG in the last three games of the series

The Clippers big problem in the end of the series was 2nd half collapse.
Game 5: Harrell (7.5 mins, 2/5 FG, 4 pts) | Williams (10.5 mins, 0/3 FG, 0 pts)
Game 6: Harrell (8.5 mins, 0/2 FG, 0 pts) | Williams (13.3 mins, 3/5 FG, 6 pts)
Game 7: Harrell (12 mins, 3/5 FG, 8 pts) | Williams (12.5 mins, 1/5 FG, 3 pts)
Total: Harrell (9 mpg, 5/12 FG, 4 ppg) | Williams (12 mpg, 4/13 FG, 3 ppg)

[og15]

Rubio back to Minnesota is nice for him, he's actually a nice fit there, they need a floor general.

Luke Kennard is actually a nice acquisition, I like him. Nice shooter, and he can handle and create too, he's definitely better than Shamet.

[TucsonClip]

Lou package seems like an obvious move coming. Kennard helps fill that role and can spot start at SG. You dont want them sharing the floor together, and we still need an upgrade at PG, plus, hopefully, a stretch 5.

[Joshuan3]

Damn really liked Shamet I'm suprised Clippers traded him. Kennard is the better player on offense.

I'm suprised Tyrese Maxey slipped, Clippers could've drafted him and then signed Rondo to mentor him