The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

[chicago paxsons]

I'm not sure i get all the pessimism. I understand not being happy about getting the specific guy we each want, but I felt the talent/potential drop between 4 and about 12 was negligible, so it's not like we picked a guy well out of his draft tier, especially since it sounded like the pistons were after him too. I also like it because I felt it wasn't a typical garpax pick. Garpax tended to avoid really young talent and aside from a few instances don't draft on potential, which I feel picking williams is. I also heard the spurs were high on him, which is a good sign to me. Lastly, even though i'm glad garpax are gone, i'm happy to see ak is going after high character guys which I never felt was one of garpax's problems.

[fleet]

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If this was only 7 months ago I feel much better about him as a prospect. He looks way more fluid and skilled than any of the game tape I’ve seen. It’s only a workout so I still have high skepticism but it’s a bit less quizzical. Go find a legit playmaker and perhaps all isn’t lost.

FSU used him as a role player. Does not mean he can't do things outside of that role. His attitude is **** ing phenomenal if you ask me. He never complained or acted entitled for a larger role. And he had a case if he went there too. Team guy all the way.

[RastaBull]

One thing I wonder, he sounds like he's a player with the type of intangibles/build/athleticism of a Jerami Grant (obviously as #4 pick he better enter league with a much higher ceiling than what Grant entered with).

I bring up Jerami Grant because Donovan brought him onto the Thunder, and did wonders with him there. And Grant's next stop was at Denver.

(If Williams show some signs or consistency as a rookie similar to what Grant was at these last two years, that would be a big success imo. I say this to imply, at #4 I'd hope he gets to that level quickly with expectation that in coming years he'll be that and more).

[Rose2Boozer]

Marvin Williams 2.0

[bulletbill]

young Crash Wallace

[RastaBull]

So he just turned 19 on August 26th. Is he the youngest in the draft? Looks like he is at least youngest in lotto.

[samwana]

Marvin Williams 2.0

Marvin was a totally different player.

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[MrSparkle]

Side note, I think LaVar’s gonna fade out now that his kids are done with the NBA draft window, and LaMelo does seem like a normal nice kid despite the space cadet Instagram vibes... is it time to take the popcorn out, and see how Uncle Mike and Ball family get along?

[bad knees]

Gonna trust AK and the fact that PW was rising up the board based on the workouts.

Quite honestly there was no one in this draft who really looks like a star to me. So gotta trust AK.

[kyrv]

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The not starting says more to me about the coach, tho still not a big deal imo.

This just felt and feels like a potentially not very good draft class.

Hopefully Patrick will blossom with the Bulls. And the flower puns... :0

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[chicago paxsons]

young Crash Wallace

If he does end up like crash, that would be a boon for us in a weak draft.

[Chi town]

One thing I wonder, he sounds like he's a player with the type of intangibles/build/athleticism of a Jerami Grant (obviously as #4 pick he better enter league with a much higher ceiling than what Grant entered with).

I bring up Jerami Grant because Donovan brought him onto the Thunder, and did wonders with him there. And Grant's next stop was at Denver.

(If Williams show some signs or consistency as a rookie similar to what Grant was at these last two years, that would be a big success imo. I say this to imply, at #4 I'd hope he gets to that level quickly with expectation that in coming years he'll be that and more).

Good job connecting the dots. Totally forgot Grant played for Donovan.

He fits the prototype of the important player profile in the league as a 3/4 wing.

I see him as the Jaylen Brown version of that 3/4 wing. I think PW will play right away as a solid 3D guy. He will expand from there.

[Mk0]

Jimmy Butler was a team player in college and he became a beast. I don't know why people have to go full hot takes mode on it. I see a kid with a good frame a good head on his shoulders and a ton of potential. I will give AK the benefit of the doubt.

[kyrv]

We need a poll, is he a wing, a 4, or the rare combo f?

Have to admit I like the pick less if he's a 4.

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If this was only 7 months ago I feel much better about him as a prospect. He looks way more fluid and skilled than any of the game tape I’ve seen. It’s only a workout so I still have high skepticism but it’s a bit less quizzical. Go find a legit playmaker and perhaps all isn’t lost.

FSU used him as a role player. Does not mean he can't do things outside of that role. His attitude is **** ing phenomenal if you ask me. He never complained or acted entitled for a larger role. And he had a case if he went there too. Team guy all the way.

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[cjbulls]

It's hilarious to see everyone brag about switchability when no one else in the lineup can switch with him. So they'll pick and roll Lowry and Siakam, PWill switches onto Lowry and then Siakam destroys Coby.

[fleet]

Has a bench player ever been drafted in the top 5 before?

Marvin Williams. There are a lot of similarities actually.

Did Corey Maggetti come off the bench? Who am I thinking of...

[kulaz3000]

We need a poll, is he a wing, a 4, or the rare combo f?

Have to admit I like the pick less if he's a 4.

Perhaps we see him out on the floor first.

I definitely think he is a combo forward, which I think is the appeal for the front office. With him being such a young player, without seeing how his body develops, you really can't make a firm judgement yet.

I definitely think he is athletic enough to play small forward, though not exactly fluid if I'm being honest. But again, I'd like to see him out on the floor in game, but ultimately he is likely to play both spots his rookie season.

[Simpleton]

One thing I wonder, he sounds like he's a player with the type of intangibles/build/athleticism of a Jerami Grant (obviously as #4 pick he better enter league with a much higher ceiling than what Grant entered with).

I bring up Jerami Grant because Donovan brought him onto the Thunder, and did wonders with him there. And Grant's next stop was at Denver.

(If Williams show some signs or consistency as a rookie similar to what Grant was at these last two years, that would be a big success imo. I say this to imply, at #4 I'd hope he gets to that level quickly with expectation that in coming years he'll be that and more).

I said a day or two ago that I think his best role would be similar to what Grant was playing in Denver next to Jokic, which was as basically a defensive anchor at the 4 spot next to a defensively deficient/offense-focused center, who could also space the floor with a respectable 3 ball.

To me he makes the most sense playing that role as a 4 next to Markkanen as the defensive deficient/offense-focused center.

Of course he has a higher ceiling than Grant and brings a more versatile skillset in terms of his passing and ability to attack the rim off the bounce, but in general I think that Grant role is probably his best fit, at least in the beginning. Hopefully you can develop him further from there.

[Am2626]

You know what this thread could use, maybe some great takes on why this might be a good pick? All the "stop the crying" post is unfair and not what this board is about. We are not bulls fans who just go along we all give our criticism when we see fit and we give props when we see fit. None of us have to just go along. This board is for both perspectives not just 1 side. I find all these takes like this cheap insults your not more of a bulls than me because you will just roll with whatever they do. Hell our takes are not insane its scouts experts all over the place not so sure about this pick as well.

All I'm saying is those of us pessimistic are not trying to coerce everyone to feel how we feel and I dont think its cool for those optimistic to accuse those of us pessimistic of just being whiners. This thread is for opinion, for or against. Its ok that some of us are unsure or against.

I saw at least 3 videos that I can remember posted in this thread that state why this is a valid pick.

I watched videos that carried just as much pessimism as many of us have here. Not that he is a clear bust. Just that him going 4th is not really justified and he def has some holes in his game. He not a great outside shooter, he not a very good scorer off the dribble, he doesn't have a excellent ability to create his own shot, guys like obi toppin, okongwu, okoro, even deni had projected to have very high ceilings. And they were all there for us to take. So now if Williams is just a mediocre prospect who will be will be followed with the labels "development " and "potential " for years to come just how Hutchison valentine Carter jr even lauri have now and obi okongwu etc bust out and do very well we are going to regret this draft.

It's why I'm saying if he works than these guys look like geniuses but if he bust we won't hear the end of it. Just not the way you want to start this new regime.

Seems like a reach to take him at 4. Feels a little like when the Bears took Mitch Trubisky. I guess they have conviction with this guy. Saw his highlights. Nothing really stands out but seems like a good defender. Heard about the Pistons rumors about being high on this guy but it seems like the Bulls could have tried to trade down. Deni Avidja went 9 and looks like a better prospect right now.

[MrSparkle]

It's hilarious to see everyone brag about switchability when no one else in the lineup can switch with him. So they'll pick and roll Lowry and Siakam, PWill switches onto Lowry and then Siakam destroys Coby.

Uhm, I don’t think that’s how it works. Lol. Did Toronto keep switching Siakam onto Kemba?

The important thing is Coby, Sato and Arci will not be playing SF.