The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

[sco]

Presser sounded like a sell job. Sounded like they went with a guy with a combo of athleticism and skills but limited demonstrated performance. Also sounds like they plan on bringing him off the bench this season and will let his demonstrated play determine his role/position this year. While not too exciting, AK was clear he wanted to focus on high potential vs. high floor guys. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

IMO this feels like what the future will hold for the NBA after the one and done rule goes away.

[Chi town]

PW will contribute right away much like OG Anunoby w the Raps. He will play winning ball and D up for 15-20mpg. I bet by the end of the season he’s playing 25mpg.

[Macallan]

Can't help but feel like they fell in love with this guy early and thus did not do everything possible to acquire star talent on draft night. The roster is still in desperate need of playmaking and shooting, and for all his talk about two-way players the roster still has none.

[Chi town]

I’m still in the honeymoon phase with this regime.

This always seemed like an incredibly weak draft to me. Based on the limited stuff I’ve seen on Williams, he seems to have some of the most upside in the draft.

I’m interested to see how AK shakes up the rest of the roster.

To me, last night strongly suggested there will be no significant roster shake up until at least the trade deadline. Signs point to AK taking a longer look at the roster. Which I am totally okay with.

This is consistent with what Evs has said would be a retool and not a rebuild. KC has said many times he thinks AK will be patient to see what he has under Billy D before reshaping the roster.

[fleet]

KC speculating this morning that within a year or 2 this roster will be overhauled. He either said completely or totally.

[coldfish]

After a night to think about it . . . still not impressed. His upside seems to be a role player and his downside is bust. The tape on him really isn't impressive at all.

I'm looking for pro's here. I struggle to find many. He plays like a 4 and as such, is actually undersized. His shooting form is really slow. He is going to have to get a ton of room to shoot. His handle is mediocre. He isn't particularly quick on the floor. His best asset is as a help defender. He looks like a shorter Wendell Carter from where I am sitting.

If anyone taken behind PW does well, AK is going to get a lot of grief here.

The only sliver of hope is that this is a Jimmy Butler type situation where the guy works his ass off to become a completely different player in a few years.

AK seems to be putting a ton on the idea that he can develop players better than other teams. If so, that's fantastic. He will have to walk the walk though.

[DuckIII]

KC speculating this morning that within a year or 2 this roster will be overhauled. He either said completely or totally.

Completely or totally? How about entirely? Or even fully, maybe?

[Ctownbulls]

Presser sounded like a sell job. Sounded like they went with a guy with a combo of athleticism and skills but limited demonstrated performance. Also sounds like they plan on bringing him off the bench this season and will let his demonstrated play determine his role/position this year. While not too exciting, AK was clear he wanted to focus on high potential vs. high floor guys. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

IMO this feels like what the future will hold for the NBA after the one and done rule goes away.

I felt the opposite. To me, AK is no-nonsense and trusts his team and himself. I think he could give two **** if the fans love or hate the pick on first blush and doesn't care to sell it to us. Let the results speak for themselves. He spoke honestly about why he took the guy.

[Indomitable]

We need a poll, is he a wing, a 4, or the rare combo f?

Have to admit I like the pick less if he's a 4.

FSU used him as a role player. Does not mean he can't do things outside of that role. His attitude is **** ing phenomenal if you ask me. He never complained or acted entitled for a larger role. And he had a case if he went there too. Team guy all the way.

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He’ll guard big wings and help side in the paint. Takes up the slack from Lauri and Zach. Which is as far as the declination of positions goes these days. Defined on defense. He’s got work to do finding his role on offense.

Williams
Lauri
WCJ
White
Zach

Lineup needs playmaker help. Too early in his career for that. But as a rim runner, garbage man open 3 guy, he might be able to handle that off the bench right now.

I hope Lauri actually worked on his agility. Stop with the power lifting. He needs to drop the mass.

[fleet]

KC speculating this morning that within a year or 2 this roster will be overhauled. He either said completely or totally.

Completely or totally? How about entirely? Or even fully, maybe?

Comprehensively or all encompassing

[Indomitable]

AK said that they didn't seriously consider trading up.

He mentioned Patrick Williams ball handling ability and pointed out that Williams played PG in high school. AK added that Williams can play 1-5 and mentioned his versatility many times.

Also, he said our 2nd round pick will be stashed for at least a year.

One more thing: He said that "our roster spots are limited". It doesn't sound like they'll do much in free agency.

He might feel the talent is here and the coaching staff failed the players.

Donavon was a great college coach. Maybe it works out.

[fleet]

Now that I’ve had a night to process this pick and give it additional thought, I dislike it even more.

Caveats for knowing that the FO has substantially more information than I do and I should be patient. Which I will be.

But today, right now, I don’t get it. We needed a wing player who could shoot and, more importantly, take time as a primary ball handler and distributor. A tall point guard, a point forward, etc. And there were several players of this type available.

We also needed defense and he adds that, but he’s strong not fluid. Not quick. And I don’t buy AK’s smoke that PW is some sort of Swiss Army knife hybrid do it all player about to emerge from his cocoon. The fit isn’t there and I don’t see the type of elite athletic profile that makes you ignore fit in a draft like this.

But I’ll be patient, objective, and open to changing my mind with changes in evidence. I did with Coby White who I absolutely HATED for the Bulls on draft night. In retrospect I may have been wrong about that. Hopefully that is the case again here.

But on November 19, 2020, I see a wasted opportunity and a shaky draft day start for AK.

AK says he would do just that. Ignore fit. Drafting fit to avoid duplication etc is against his philosophy.

[Jcool0]

KC speculating this morning that within a year or 2 this roster will be overhauled. He either said completely or totally.

Williams already on the trade block huh

[Indomitable]

i said this in one of the pre-draft threads, but williams actually feels like a relatively *safe* pick for a 19-year-old who didn't start his freshman year. a big defender who projects as a solid-to-good shooter is a pretty soft landing as far as prospects go.

conversely, i don't really see a *ton* of upside? i can see him being a very useful role player, but unless fsu really asked him to compartmentalize his game, i would sum up my assessment of his non-shooting offensive game as "passing skills could be alright, shot creation skills not really worth commenting on." he is young, though, so i'm not gonna act like development on that front is impossible

i'm also kind of thrown by the types of nba players who fit a similar profile to him. i'm thinking he's going to land somewhere on the continuum of, like

james johnson
jae crowder
the morris twins
robert covington
jerami grant
jaylen brown

and you're really banking on him landing super high on that continuum if you're picking him four. whichever morris twin happens to be good at any given moment is a useful player — a good, big body defender who can shoot. he's also a player who signs for the MLE and is on the move constantly.

you can't just get a good morris twin out of this pick and be happy with it. (well, maybe you can, considering the draft.)

Robert Covington's trade value is so insanely high. If AK has drafted a Covington, then maybe he knows what he's doing.

Covington has a good contract and lacks ego. The perfect team player.

[DuckIII]

Now that I’ve had a night to process this pick and give it additional thought, I dislike it even more.

Caveats for knowing that the FO has substantially more information than I do and I should be patient. Which I will be.

But today, right now, I don’t get it. We needed a wing player who could shoot and, more importantly, take time as a primary ball handler and distributor. A tall point guard, a point forward, etc. And there were several players of this type available.

We also needed defense and he adds that, but he’s strong not fluid. Not quick. And I don’t buy AK’s smoke that PW is some sort of Swiss Army knife hybrid do it all player about to emerge from his cocoon. The fit isn’t there and I don’t see the type of elite athletic profile that makes you ignore fit in a draft like this.

But I’ll be patient, objective, and open to changing my mind with changes in evidence. I did with Coby White who I absolutely HATED for the Bulls on draft night. In retrospect I may have been wrong about that. Hopefully that is the case again here.

But on November 19, 2020, I see a wasted opportunity and a shaky draft day start for AK.

Except AK says he would do just that. Ignore fit. Against his philosophy.

That’s may well be. But it’s poor as a concrete approach to the draft. It’s been proven time and time again that taking a rigid approach to “BPA” can backfire horribly and for obvious reasons.

There’s a balance there. When you are talking about elites at the top of the draft, potential franchise players, yes you always ignore fit. But the further away from that you get, especially in the top half of the first round, fit starts to matter more. PW, in my opinion, is not the type of prospect you throw fit out the window to draft.

[Indomitable]

Marvin Williams 2.0

Marvin was a totally different player.

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Alot of Marvin's problems were between the ears.
I don't see that issue with Pat. They were both very young when drafted and also 6th men on their perspective college teams but I just think Pat will be the higher IQ player. Also the Bulls didn't bypass any CP3 types in this draft to select Pat.

Marvin problem was he was a player who could not shot of or dribble coming in. It took him years to develop his shot. Pat already has a handle.

Marvin is smart and understood his limits. He just had the misfortune of being on the same team with Josh Smith.

Pat has potential and it is up to him.

[fleet]

Now that I’ve had a night to process this pick and give it additional thought, I dislike it even more.

Caveats for knowing that the FO has substantially more information than I do and I should be patient. Which I will be.

But today, right now, I don’t get it. We needed a wing player who could shoot and, more importantly, take time as a primary ball handler and distributor. A tall point guard, a point forward, etc. And there were several players of this type available.

We also needed defense and he adds that, but he’s strong not fluid. Not quick. And I don’t buy AK’s smoke that PW is some sort of Swiss Army knife hybrid do it all player about to emerge from his cocoon. The fit isn’t there and I don’t see the type of elite athletic profile that makes you ignore fit in a draft like this.

But I’ll be patient, objective, and open to changing my mind with changes in evidence. I did with Coby White who I absolutely HATED for the Bulls on draft night. In retrospect I may have been wrong about that. Hopefully that is the case again here.

But on November 19, 2020, I see a wasted opportunity and a shaky draft day start for AK.

Except AK says he would do just that. Ignore fit. Against his philosophy.

That’s may well be. But it’s poor as a concrete approach to the draft. It’s been proven time and time again that taking a rigid approach to “BPA” can backfire horribly and for obvious reasons.

There’s a balance there. When you are talking about elites at the top of the draft, potential franchise players, yes you always ignore fit. But the further away from that you get, especially in the top half of the first round, fit starts to matter more. PW, in my opinion, is not the top of prospect you throw fit out the window to draft.

This is a new boss, and they usually clean house unless the team is already proven. The fit needs will change very soon if the roster changes, which is in the mix. My guess is, only WCJ and Williams may be left standing, because defense and ball-sharing is a prerequisite for AK. Lauri may be passable IDK. Cobe is younger and maybe they can put their hands on him to get more of what they need from him. But probably mostly from the SG position imo.

[ZOMG]

Except AK says he would do just that. Ignore fit. Against his philosophy.

That’s may well be. But it’s poor as a concrete approach to the draft. It’s been proven time and time again that taking a rigid approach to “BPA” can backfire horribly and for obvious reasons.

There’s a balance there. When you are talking about elites at the top of the draft, potential franchise players, yes you always ignore fit. But the further away from that you get, especially in the top half of the first round, fit starts to matter more. PW, in my opinion, is not the top of prospect you throw fit out the window to draft.

This is a new boss, and they usually clean house unless the team is already proven. The fit will change very soon if the roster changes, which is in the mix. My guess is, only WCJ and Williams may be left standing, because defense and ball-sharing is a prerequisite for AK. Lauri may be passable IDK.

I don't know where you're getting this. If anything, AK has made it known that he values shooting along with a fluid offense with lots of passing.

We just got rid of two good defenders who were also non-shooters, FFS! And dangled Wendell, who ALSO belongs in that group.

If you can't/won't shoot, you have no future here.

[fleet]

That’s may well be. But it’s poor as a concrete approach to the draft. It’s been proven time and time again that taking a rigid approach to “BPA” can backfire horribly and for obvious reasons.

There’s a balance there. When you are talking about elites at the top of the draft, potential franchise players, yes you always ignore fit. But the further away from that you get, especially in the top half of the first round, fit starts to matter more. PW, in my opinion, is not the top of prospect you throw fit out the window to draft.

This is a new boss, and they usually clean house unless the team is already proven. The fit will change very soon if the roster changes, which is in the mix. My guess is, only WCJ and Williams may be left standing, because defense and ball-sharing is a prerequisite for AK. Lauri may be passable IDK.

I don't know where you're getting this. If anything, AK has made it known that he values shooting along with a fluid offense with lots of passing.

We just got rid of two good defenders who were also non-shooters, FFS! And dangled Wendell, who ALSO belongs in that group.

If you can't/won't shoot, you have no future here.

The point about defense relates to the idea of two way players. Which is AK’s approach.

Just an opinion, thoughts sparked by KC Johnson’s comments this morning. I know you’ve condemned WCJ’s offense for all eternity. BTW Joe Cowley and AK said there was nothing to the WCJ trade stuff fwiw.

[MGB8]

So Patrick Williams is interesting in that you have a real difference between the stats, the "overall eye test," and then "the flashes" and maybe "the pedigree."

The stats from college are unimpressive. He didn't have a frosh impact - guys like Stanley Johnson, Justise Winslow, MKG, Pascal Siakam, Tobias Harris, Maurice Harkless all averaged 12 or more points per contest. Very good FT shooter, though, which distinguishes him from those guys, and his frosh stats are comparable to Oubre, RHJ, Nassir Little, so there have been recent high draft picks with similar stat profiles.

But the biggest difference is between the "overall eye test" (which matches the draft profile from the Stepian) and the "flashes." If you just go watch FSU youtubes (I watched a lot because of Vassell) - Williams comes across as a small, "energy" (6'7/6'8) 4. His play lacks the short area quickness, change-of-direction, and "bend" that you want from a modern wing . While Vassell played like a wing - Williams played like a forward - but without big rebounding numbers (Vassell and Williams had nearly identical per36 rebounding). Obviously, Vassell was a sophomore vs. Williams a frosh, and Vassell wasn't as good as Williams as a frosh.

But when you look at the highlights of just Patrick Williams, you start to see flashes of something more. Flashes of (inconsistent) ball handling and passing ability. Flashes of shooting ability both and off-the-catch and the bounce. Flashes of bend and short area quickness on both ends. Flashes of a guy who could play the 3 in the NBA.

It's unusual to have this kind level of difference between the "guy you usually see" and the "flashes." Most of the time, you see a guy who looks like the same player, but just better - the better pass, the shot that goes in, the better handle (think Tony Snell on those occasions where his shot was going in and he was playing with confidence). With Williams, it's almost like two different players . Here's hoping the "flashes" are the flower that's just about to bloom.