Oubre is on his way to SF [Shams & Woj]

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Post#41 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:32 pm

Pinkyring wrote:Warriors front office has been bad the last 12 months, trading dlo for wiggins when they could've added better cheaper pieces now adding almost 100m for a role player in oubre, just doesnt make sense


I mean, we’ll see. If they’re willing to spend the money, more power to them. And that FO has earned just a bit of deference.
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Post#42 » by HartfordWhalers » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:32 pm

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HartfordWhalers wrote:Just for this forum's sake, adding a Wiggins for Horford swap would be swell.


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Wiggins could run a fast paced tank offense perfectly, boosting raw stats of guys Presti flips.

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HartfordWhalers wrote:Just for this forum's sake, adding a Wiggins for Horford swap would be swell.

Defeats the point of adding more wings, but would be worth it for the lolz.


I would argue it is like getting a Wiggins upgrade (Oubre > Wiggins) and a Horford for free. If it weren't for the Klay injury, I like it for competing now. So... maybe revisit in a year realistically; but the lolz are best now.
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Post#43 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:33 pm

I will also note Presti loved Wiggins at the draft. And he rarely changes his draft evals and thinks he can unlock whatever they came in the league with (see: Waiters, Dion)
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Post#44 » by SF_Warriors » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:35 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Oh and I've had a really good off-season so far. But give me a giant heaping bowl of crow on all things Warriors:

I insisted they would trade one or both picks -- Nope
I insisted they should trade Wiggins -- Uh Uh
I said they probably don't spend TPE -- looking like it.

Just serve it up with some fresh salsa please because I got a lot to choke down.


I don't think anyone should be ashamed for these type of takes, its hard for us fans on the sidelines not being able to know what types of offers were being discussed, etc. I'm sure if the right offer was made, it could have happened. Also, trading wiseman and/or wiggins is still possible.
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Post#45 » by Balkman32 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:38 pm

It’s kind of weird that the compensation hasn’t been announced.
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Post#46 » by Balkman32 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:40 pm

Ahh I guess they are in the middle of their press conference right now and Wiseman is on the stage. So that’s not happening.
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Post#47 » by Texas Chuck » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:40 pm

Balkman32 wrote:It’s kind of weird that the compensation hasn’t been announced.


The OP jumped the gun -- there is no agreed upon trade yet. Just serious talks. Could still fall apart.
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Post#48 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:41 pm

Myers reading our takes rn and second guessing this
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Post#49 » by Soulyss » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:56 pm

Hard to Imaging that the GSW are willing to pay $134M tax bill without Klay. Wiggins on the move for depth & salary reduction perhaps?
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Post#50 » by Resistance » Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:58 pm

How fat is the Golden State wallet?

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Post#51 » by Prospect Dong » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:06 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Yes please. Lotto prot 21 GS 1st, same in 22, then 2nds, maybe?


GS have a pick going to memphis in a couple of years, so you'd need to work around that - perhaps you already did?
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Post#52 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:09 pm

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MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Yes please. Lotto prot 21 GS 1st, same in 22, then 2nds, maybe?


GS have a pick going to memphis in a couple of years, so you'd need to work around that - perhaps you already did?


Yeah it’s a 24 pick to MEM which is why this obligation would only live for 2 years
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Post#53 » by pacers33granger » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:27 pm

Even if it falls apart, it's now apparent that GS is willing to use the TPE and on a role player. They may see it as a future investment too though as it would show players around the league that they are absolutely not afraid of spending to maximize their players' chances of success. Which is even more glaring while Houston implodes and cuts costs any way it can in Harden's prime.
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Post#54 » by Catchall » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:35 pm

I don't think they're overreacting to Klay's injury. They were probably going to sign a player like this to replace Iggy.
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Post#55 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:38 pm

Catchall wrote:I don't think they're overreacting to Klay's injury. They were probably going to sign a player like this to replace Iggy.


There were quotes from Myers last night that Lacob had given the green light to use the TPE already.
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Post#56 » by jayjaysee » Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:49 pm

Resistance wrote:How fat is the Golden State wallet?

DISABLED PLAYER EXCEPTION

DISABLED PLAYER EXCEPTION -- This exception allows a team which is over the cap to replace a disabled player who will be out for the remainder of that season (it can also be granted in the event of a player's death). This exception is granted by the league, based on an application from the team and a determination by an NBA-designated physician or Fitness to Play panel (see question number 62) that the player is substantially more likely than not to be unable to play through the following June 15.

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The team may sign a free agent for one season only, for 50% of the disabled player's salary or the amount of the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, whichever is less.
The team may trade for a player in the last season of his contract only (including any option years)2, who is making no more than 50% plus $100,000 of the disabled player's salary, or the amount of the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception plus $100,000, whichever is less.
The team may claim a player on waivers who is in the last season of his contract only (including any option years), who is making no more than 50% of the disabled player's salary, or the amount of the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, whichever is less.


Why not.

Just under 100 mil for KCP and Noel? (DPE and tax MLE) easy money..
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Post#57 » by Chris Porter's Hair » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:56 am

Soulyss wrote:Hard to Imaging that the GSW are willing to pay $134M tax bill without Klay. Wiggins on the move for depth & salary reduction perhaps?

I'm not sure what it is going to take. This is what Warriors fans have been trying to tell everyone here for a year now, and nobody wants to listen.

There have probably been 100+ trade threads here that amounted to, "The Warriors trade Wiggins and get worse. Why? To save money." And every time, Warriors fans say, "Our ownership is printing money. They're going to spend money if they think it makes us a better team." And nobody believes us.

Then the TPE comes up, and everyone says, "They won't use that TPE. It would cost them a lot of money!" And Warriors fans say, "If it will make them a better team, they won't care. They'll spend the money." And nobody believes us.

And honestly, with the changed prognosis for this year, if things had changed, I wouldn't blame our owners. But it doesn't appear to have. And when we use the TPE, instead of people saying, "Huh. I guess they really will go deep into the tax to try to improve the team.", people (with the notable exception of Texas Chuck - props to him), respond by saying, "But they'll need to save money! I bet they'll trade Wiggins and make the team worse."

This is why I largely stopped trying to participate in Warriors trade talk here.
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Post#58 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:58 am

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Soulyss wrote:Hard to Imaging that the GSW are willing to pay $134M tax bill without Klay. Wiggins on the move for depth & salary reduction perhaps?

I'm not sure what it is going to take. This is what Warriors fans have been trying to tell everyone here for a year now, and nobody wants to listen.

There have probably been 100+ trade threads here that amounted to, "The Warriors trade Wiggins and get worse. Why? To save money." And every time, Warriors fans say, "Our ownership is printing money. They're going to spend money if they think it makes us a better team." And nobody believes us.

Then the TPE comes up, and everyone says, "They won't use that TPE. It would cost them a lot of money!" And Warriors fans say, "If it will make them a better team, they won't care. They'll spend the money." And nobody believes us.

And honestly, with the changed prognosis for this year, if things had changed, I wouldn't blame our owners. But it doesn't appear to have. And when we use the TPE, instead of people saying, "Huh. I guess they really will go deep into the tax to try to improve the team.", people (with the notable exception of Texas Chuck - props to him), respond by saying, "But they'll need to save money! I bet they'll trade Wiggins and make the team worse."

This is why I largely stopped trying to participate in Warriors trade talk here.


I would simply contend that most iterations of Wiggins trades do make the team better at the cost of draft picks, which don’t suit up.
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Post#59 » by Warriorfan » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:04 am

If revenues are down like last year the warrior luxury tax will be much less.

They may be using the MLE and a disabled exemption if given one.

plus thing to note if Klay misses season insurance pays his salary



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Post#60 » by NW » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:11 am

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Chris Porter's Hair wrote:
Soulyss wrote:Hard to Imaging that the GSW are willing to pay $134M tax bill without Klay. Wiggins on the move for depth & salary reduction perhaps?

I'm not sure what it is going to take. This is what Warriors fans have been trying to tell everyone here for a year now, and nobody wants to listen.

There have probably been 100+ trade threads here that amounted to, "The Warriors trade Wiggins and get worse. Why? To save money." And every time, Warriors fans say, "Our ownership is printing money. They're going to spend money if they think it makes us a better team." And nobody believes us.

Then the TPE comes up, and everyone says, "They won't use that TPE. It would cost them a lot of money!" And Warriors fans say, "If it will make them a better team, they won't care. They'll spend the money." And nobody believes us.

And honestly, with the changed prognosis for this year, if things had changed, I wouldn't blame our owners. But it doesn't appear to have. And when we use the TPE, instead of people saying, "Huh. I guess they really will go deep into the tax to try to improve the team.", people (with the notable exception of Texas Chuck - props to him), respond by saying, "But they'll need to save money! I bet they'll trade Wiggins and make the team worse."

This is why I largely stopped trying to participate in Warriors trade talk here.


I would simply contend that most iterations of Wiggins trades do make the team better at the cost of draft picks, which don’t suit up.


Majority of the Wiggins trade on here are players on lesser contract with lesser talent than Wiggins plus multiple picks for the “favor” of taking Wiggins off GS hands. No matter how many times Warriors fans explained that a Wiggins salary dump wasn’t going to happen - and that was before Klay’s injury.

Pursuing Oubre using the TPE had also long been the plan. Warriors beatwriters and fans were talking him up all summer.

Warriors ownership is down to spend. You don’t build a state of the art arena with no taxpayer money if you’re not

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