The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

[BullsFTW]

Williams probably needs to lose some of that weight in his quads. Looks too big there.

If Williams is going to hit on his upside, he's going to need to be capable of playing the 3. He can be a potential mismatch as a 3 if he can add the requisite ball skills/shooting. As a pure 4, he feels like more of a role-player to me.

Did you actually say he needs to loose weight in his quads.....dude you have to be **** me....I swear 2020 has people loosing their minds

Yeah I don’t know how that’s humanly possible to lose weight on your quadriceps without losing pounds all over the body. Unless they meant Pat Will needs surgery because he has thunder thighs.

[MrSparkle]

Williams probably needs to lose some of that weight in his quads. Looks too big there.

If Williams is going to hit on his upside, he's going to need to be capable of playing the 3. He can be a potential mismatch as a 3 if he can add the requisite ball skills/shooting. As a pure 4, he feels like more of a role-player to me.

Did you actually say he needs to loose weight in his quads.....dude you have to be **** me....I swear 2020 has people loosing their minds

Yeah I don’t know how that’s humanly possible to lose weight on your quadriceps without losing pounds all over the body. Unless they meant Pat Will needs surgery because he has thunder thighs.

[kulaz3000]

Did you actually say he needs to loose weight in his quads.....dude you have to be **** me....I swear 2020 has people loosing their minds

Yeah, that was a ridiculous comment.

It's definitely not, but you do you. You can 100% over-bulk.

Tell me exactly what makes you think his quads are too large, beside the fact that you it doesn't appears your eyes?

I think you'd be surprised that many if not most NBA players quads are large, it's just that they wear loose shorts.

[mtron32]

People aren't gonna want to hear it but this guy is clearly supposed to be Markkanen's eventual replacement.

The power forward position is dead. The 4 is just a wing who's strong enough to handle himself inside.

I was thinking that on my dog walk today. He can play PF and is money on defense and not afraid to bang around down low, plus he may be able to develop some range. If Lauri doesn't show out this year, Patty Will is on his tail. WCJ will finally have a comrade to do work with.

[TheSuzerain]

Williams probably needs to lose some of that weight in his quads. Looks too big there.

If Williams is going to hit on his upside, he's going to need to be capable of playing the 3. He can be a potential mismatch as a 3 if he can add the requisite ball skills/shooting. As a pure 4, he feels like more of a role-player to me.

Did you actually say he needs to loose weight in his quads.....dude you have to be **** me....I swear 2020 has people loosing their minds

Yeah I don’t know how that’s humanly possible to lose weight on your quadriceps without losing pounds all over the body. Unless they meant Pat Will needs surgery because he has thunder thighs.

It's partially a Florida State thing. Their whole program revolves around being more physically developed than their opponent. Although, he looks thick even in some of his HS tape.

Here's a doctor saying the same thing:

Read on Twitter

[mtron32]

Honestly, as I watch PW tape, it's deja vu to Marquette Jimmy. I'm watching highlight videos of highly correct defensive tendencies, often very far from the ball (which says even more about a guy's level of focus and discipline). He's always hawking loose balls and rebounds. Nothing eye popping, but if you pay attention to him, he's extremely mobile, tough and versatile. And then in the few chances he handled a break, made a pass, or shot a contested shot, he looked totally competent.

But I'm not expecting anything but motor for 2 seasons. He will be a project. With a good floor and a good ceiling. Which is basically the exact type of player you want to draft, if not a rare super prospect like Lebron/Luka/Zion.

He looks like a 70% PF & 30% SF to me.

He's always moving which we've been begging for.

[TheSuzerain]

Yeah, that was a ridiculous comment.

It's definitely not, but you do you. You can 100% over-bulk.

Tell me exactly what makes you think his quads are too large, beside the fact that you it doesn't appears your eyes?

I think you'd be surprised that many if not most NBA players quads are large, it's just that they wear loose shorts.

[BullsFTW]

Did you actually say he needs to loose weight in his quads.....dude you have to be **** me....I swear 2020 has people loosing their minds

Yeah I don’t know how that’s humanly possible to lose weight on your quadriceps without losing pounds all over the body. Unless they meant Pat Will needs surgery because he has thunder thighs.

It's partially a Florida State thing. Their whole program revolves around being more physically developed than their opponent. Although, he looks thick even in some of his HS tape.

Here's a doctor saying the same thing:

Read on Twitter

I don’t care if he’s a doctor, that’s stupid. Only way he loses muscles in his quadriceps is if he stops working out his legs, which is even more stupid.

[bulls_troy]

It's definitely not, but you do you. You can 100% over-bulk.

Tell me exactly what makes you think his quads are too large, beside the fact that you it doesn't appears your eyes?

I think you'd be surprised that many if not most NBA players quads are large, it's just that they wear loose shorts.

Dude kept skipping leg day.....

[RSP83]

After watching his clips what stand out the most is his size. He is huge, and has NBA ready body. He moves well on the perimeter with that size. He's a project. But I think he's not a like a completely raw project, I think many of what he has now translates immediately as a role player. I don't think he's going to struggle like Hutch. But I understand that we expect more than role player with the no. 4 pick. I think PWilll has as much bust factor as other picks before and after him, but I think he's a safer pick than most of the lottery picks. But I think his ceiling is also pretty high. He's 19, so there's a lot of room for him to develop. He's different than WCJ, who everybody here knows the moment we got him, at best he's probably going to be a solid starting big with high defensive IQ but that's probably it. PWill's ceiling is higher than WCJ's but I think their floor are about the same.

[kulaz3000]

It's definitely not, but you do you. You can 100% over-bulk.

Tell me exactly what makes you think his quads are too large, beside the fact that you it doesn't appears your eyes?

I think you'd be surprised that many if not most NBA players quads are large, it's just that they wear loose shorts.

[TheSuzerain]

I mean you guys better hope that this is something that can be addressed through physical changes.

Just about every in-depth scouting report of the guy says he has slow/stiff hips and lacks lateral quickness.

But yeah hopefully he just keeps bulking up!

[kulaz3000]

I mean you guys better hope that this is something that can be addressed through physical changes.

Just about every in-depth scouting report of the guy says he has slow/stiff hips and lacks lateral quickness.

But yeah hopefully he just keeps bulking up!

When was the last time ANYONE has watched him play? It's been almost a year for crying out loud!

And correct me if I'm wrong, the common thing people are saying is that he has an NBA ready body, not that he should BULK UP more. Not sure where that is coming from.

[gobullschi]

My biggest concern with PatWill is if his first step is explosive enough to blow by wings off the dribble or if he has the ball handling to create his own shot off the dribble. It’s absent in his film at Florida State.

I’ve seen some recent video of him and he looks thinner than he did in college. He also looked a little quicker, but my eyes could be playing tricks on me. Luckily, we won’t have to wait too long to see if it’s legit.

I had no idea he played point guard in high school and then grew 8 inches. If his playmaking ability and ball handling carried over with his growth spurt, his potential is greater than some people realize. These really late growth spurts where guys are able to retain their point guard skills can result into special NBA players. I know AD and Giannis are two recent examples of this.

I feel fairly confident that he will have a long NBA career at some capacity. I’m cautiously optimistic about his ceiling.

[TheSuzerain]

I mean you guys better hope that this is something that can be addressed through physical changes.

Just about every in-depth scouting report of the guy says he has slow/stiff hips and lacks lateral quickness.

But yeah hopefully he just keeps bulking up!

When was the last time ANYONE has watched him play? It's been almost a year for crying out loud!

And correct me if I'm wrong, the common thing people are saying is that he has an NBA ready body, not that he should BULK UP more. Not sure where that is coming from.

The initial comment was based on a pic of him playing at Florida State. If that's out-dated then great.

I just think it's naive to think that teams don't care how these players build their bodies. Which, yes, can include losing weight or reducing emphasis on a particular muscle group.

[cjbulls]

Wrong...

JL was 21yr old when he transferred to a D1 school, UNLV, and average 20 and 11.

Pat Williams was 18yr old when he started his D1 career at Florida State.

And made no impact.

Pat made no impact? Great argument.

I just am stunned that many of the posters here who decried Ball, decried Deni, decried Wiseman are all jumping through hoops to make it sound like the right pick.

If Charlotte made this pick, people would be ripping them, same for Cavs and Pistons. Just call it what it is, a reach.

Comparing him to Larry F'n Johnson, really?

[cjbulls]

I mean you guys better hope that this is something that can be addressed through physical changes.

Just about every in-depth scouting report of the guy says he has slow/stiff hips and lacks lateral quickness.

But yeah hopefully he just keeps bulking up!

When was the last time ANYONE has watched him play? It's been almost a year for crying out loud!

And correct me if I'm wrong, the common thing people are saying is that he has an NBA ready body, not that he should BULK UP more. Not sure where that is coming from.

Can't we say that about anybody? Should the Bulls have taken Tyrese Maxey #4 and then we can all say "have you seen him play lately?". I don't see how that point holds much water other than to say you cannot be either critical or complimentary of the pick.

[kulaz3000]

I mean you guys better hope that this is something that can be addressed through physical changes.

Just about every in-depth scouting report of the guy says he has slow/stiff hips and lacks lateral quickness.

But yeah hopefully he just keeps bulking up!

When was the last time ANYONE has watched him play? It's been almost a year for crying out loud!

And correct me if I'm wrong, the common thing people are saying is that he has an NBA ready body, not that he should BULK UP more. Not sure where that is coming from.

Can't we say that about anybody? Should the Bulls have taken Tyrese Maxey #4 and then we can all say "have you seen him play lately?". I don't see how that point holds much water other than to say you cannot be either critical or complimentary of the pick.

We were talking about his quads and what his physical state is.

[cjbulls]

I'm glad he got his guy. The fact that ak picked a high character, high work ethic, high iq defense player with offensive potential is exciting to me. It's just nice to see our front office be gung ho about a player with potential, instead of how garpax would be all in on a player who is good, but has pretty much reached his potential.

The bolded is what GarPax got ripped for, even though they had a successful overall drafting track record.

They would draft players with those traits, but would more often than not draft guys who could win now and had reached their ceiling. They also had the issue of, at the top of the draft, pretty much always drafting the consensus best player and not swinging for the fences, like when they drafted the consensus pick marquis teague without ever working him out. It seemed, to me, they must have put more energy into scouting players outside the lottery because of how many times they nailed those picks as opposed to how many successful lottery picks they had.

Hinrich - low ceiling
Gordon - middle ceiling
Deng - high ceiling
Tyrus - high ceiling
Joakim - low ceiling
Rose - high ceiling
Lauri - high ceiling
Wendell - middle ceiling
Coby - middle ceiling

I would say it's quite a mixed bag when you look at their lottery picks. I would agree that they didn't take may raw prospects, with Tyrus and maybe Lauri only meeting that criteria.

[cjbulls]

When was the last time ANYONE has watched him play? It's been almost a year for crying out loud!

And correct me if I'm wrong, the common thing people are saying is that he has an NBA ready body, not that he should BULK UP more. Not sure where that is coming from.

Can't we say that about anybody? Should the Bulls have taken Tyrese Maxey #4 and then we can all say "have you seen him play lately?". I don't see how that point holds much water other than to say you cannot be either critical or complimentary of the pick.

We were talking about his quads and what his physical state is.

My bad, I was reading from the bottom up!