Fixing the Mess Pt. 2 Sixers Offseason

[still in payne]

My wish/hypothesis on Morey giving props to Doc Rivers' recruiting skills: if Curry fits into the trade exemption from the Horford trade (some debate over that), use the Richardson TPE for Marcus Morris. We need frontcourt help, he's a scorer with range, can play 3 and 4, played for Doc in LA, and would love to come home to Philly. Also gives us some toughness, which is something we really need.

[eyeatoma]

T-MLE or Minimum? Multiple years (I hope).

Don’t think it’s full MLE. Haven’t heard numbers

Any word on whether we're interested in Ilyasova?

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He wrote earlier that we were.

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[76ciology]

Good teams can give us problems if we put both Nerlens and Ben on the court.

They can clog the paint by having two bigs playing goalie or zone us up.

[sixers hoops]

Let's goooo!!!!! We';re getting the band back together and I'm here for it. Love that Morey is trying a revamped version of the 2017/18 Sixers...

Hope the plan is to eventually to get a ballhander who can knock down shots in the clutch, it'll be the one missing piece to us contending.

We already got him fam. Just need to let him marinate for a couple years.

I am curious if they had any interest in Dennis Schroder. Keeping our pick was smart play long term, but a player of his scoring ability could have accelerated things a bit.

[TTP]

No it's not a way of saying they haven't won a championship. Jimmy Butler hasn't won a championship either, but he displays maturity and leadership. Simmons and Embiid don't. There are plenty of players who haven't won championships who display maturity and leadership. Jayson Tatum is another.

And I didn't say anything about trading Simmons for Westbrook. The proposed lineup was only an example of one constructed around maturity and leadership. Westbrook is another who exudes those qualities. Redick is another.

Westbrook doesn't "exude leadership qualities". He exudes ball hogging and stat padding. He is known for his rebound stealing and shot spamming.

I'll take Westbrook with the clock running down in the fourth quarter anyday.

Yeah on the Knicks where they're down 15 and he's watching from the bench as the opposing team dribbles out the clock and hands the ball to the ref.

[TTP]

That doesn't impress me at all.

The problem with this team is that they're continuing to build around two players who haven't, and perhaps can't, show the maturity and leadership necessary to be players a team builds around.

Simmons and Embiid. Yeah that sounds great in theory or on paper, but these guys haven't been players a team builds around if it hopes to win a championship. If you're putting accessory pieces like Green and Curry around a nucleus of star players, those star players better have what it takes, because the accessory pieces sure don't.

The team screwed up when it let Butler go. He was the piece to build around. Imagine a starting lineup of Embiid, Harris, Butler, Redick, and Westbrook. That's a championship lineup. Simmons should've been jettisoned that year in favor of Butler.

Yeah no ****. It's gonna take Morey time to turn things around, if you want to wait until he does feel free. If you want to trade Simmons you should be happy they're putting guys around him that maximize his effectiveness, if nothing else it's good for his trade value.

The only thing I'm against is the view that Embiid and Simmons are players to build around, as though they're established at the level of LeBron and Anthony Davis. They're nowhere near that caliber, yet the team is functioning personnel-wise as though they are.

"The process" failed when it resulted in nothing more than those guys.

So in order for a player to be worth building around, they have to be established at the level of the greatest player of our generation? What planet do you live on?

[Wilfried]

I wish there was an avenue to acquiring Beal without giving up Ben or Jo. It's going to be extremely difficult to acquire a 3rd star. Maybe if Tobias increases his value we can dangle him? Wishful thinking, I know.

Our best hope for a 3rd real star is to pump and dump on Tobias. That means spamming Tobi pick and rolls nonstop to inflate his numbers, something Doc knows exactly how to do.

We could try. Maybe at the deadline something like Harris/Curry/Smith/pick for LaVine/Porter?

And who's the third star than?

[Wilfried]

Still prefer Aron Baynes but Noel will be fine too.

Bjelica being available would be great too. Let's try to trade Mike Scott + Zhaire Smith for him (with an additional secound rounder from SAC)

Simmons/Milton
Curry/Korkmaz
Green/Thybulle
Harris/Bjelica
Embiid/Baynes

That's a very nice team to work with. Will be much better.

Think than around 22 million could come off the books next summer.

[76ciology]

That doesn't impress me at all.

The problem with this team is that they're continuing to build around two players who haven't, and perhaps can't, show the maturity and leadership necessary to be players a team builds around.

Simmons and Embiid. Yeah that sounds great in theory or on paper, but these guys haven't been players a team builds around if it hopes to win a championship. If you're putting accessory pieces like Green and Curry around a nucleus of star players, those star players better have what it takes, because the accessory pieces sure don't.

The team screwed up when it let Butler go. He was the piece to build around. Imagine a starting lineup of Embiid, Harris, Butler, Redick, and Westbrook. That's a championship lineup. Simmons should've been jettisoned that year in favor of Butler.

Yeah no ****. It's gonna take Morey time to turn things around, if you want to wait until he does feel free. If you want to trade Simmons you should be happy they're putting guys around him that maximize his effectiveness, if nothing else it's good for his trade value.

The only thing I'm against is the view that Embiid and Simmons are players to build around, as though they're established at the level of LeBron and Anthony Davis. They're nowhere near that caliber, yet the team is functioning personnel-wise as though they are.

"The process" failed when it resulted in nothing more than those guys.

I understand what you’re saying but Not yet.

Lakers had just a handful of valuable assets before Bron and AD arrived. But they were able to turn those young assets into AD.

Right now.. we could also go to that Lakers route if we simply trade Ben for Harden. Biid and Harden should be as good as that duo. This is why it’s driving me crazy. But nevertheless, I understand us being prudent because right now trading Ben for Harden is overpaying given how we would simply outbidding everyone against ourselves.

I think the problem with our team is we can’t really decide if we should trade one or both of them for superstars or hold unto them because they could one day be superstars. Given how hard this decision is, it means it could go either way. So it is totally understandable

Let’s say if Sixers stick with Biid and Ben, while both guys end up not being superstars to all time great talents. Or if our FO fail to build a good supporting cast and can’t go deep in the playoffs around them. Then I would agree with you.

But right now? Not yet.

[76ciology]

Still prefer Aron Baynes but Noel will be fine too.

Bjelica being available would be great too. Let's try to trade Mike Scott + Zhaire Smith for him (with an additional secound rounder from SAC)

Simmons/Milton
Curry/Korkmaz
Green/Thybulle
Harris/Bjelica
Embiid/Baynes

That's a very nice team to work with. Will be much better.

Think than around 22 million could come off the books next summer.

For Ben, I prefer Baynes because he can space the floor. Ben is really good with that action he does with Al where he would bring down the ball and then hand it over to Al while setting a screen due to the nature of the hand off, who is above the break for the open 3.

You can also run a pick and pop where Seth, Green, Kork or Milton will set that inverted screen for Ben, where if their man doesn’t switch, Ben can a clear drive to the rim. Having Noel will just clog that driving lane for him.

Ben and Noel, may work in the regular season. But in the play-offs, just run a zone defense or let both your 4&5 just stay in the paint and play goalie. Imagine both McGee and AD or Brolo and Giannis protecting the rim.

Noel is someone I’d prefer if we had Harden. Where Noel would play that Capela.

Another thing if you go for Noel is we’ll have trouble on defense if we play against bigger Cs when Biid is on load management. Imagine playing against the Nuggets or the Magic with Noel as starting C. Vuc or Jokic would be able to just bully their way against Noel. Same can be said if we played against the Lakers. One thing I’d like to see from Noel is maybe he can guard Giannis.

[youngcrev]

Give me Nerlens over Baynes. Not to say I'd be against Baynes in general. Having a big that can body up bigs and shoot is nice. I just prefer the rim protection and switch possibilities with Nerlens. Put a lineup with Ben, Mattise and Nerlens on the floor and them try to create turnovers and get out in transition, where Ben truly thrives. Throw Curry and Tobias in there to give you some semblance of halfcourt offense/spacing.

[ankle420breaker]

Give me Nerlens over Baynes. Not to say I'd be against Baynes in general. Having a big that can body up bigs and shoot is nice. I just prefer the rim protection and switch possibilities with Nerlens. Put a lineup with Ben, Mattise and Nerlens on the floor and them try to create turnovers and get out in transition, where Ben truly thrives. Throw Curry and Tobias in there to give you some semblance of halfcourt offense/spacing.

I'd be totally content with either Baynes or Noel, but agree that lineup of Simmons, Thybulle, and Noel would be absolutely menacing.

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[spikeslovechild]

Is there a way to trade for Gallo? How much is his next contract going to be? He is rumored to want a 2 year deal. Trading Zhaire Scott and Korkmaz would give us around 12m to play with in any sign and trade would a 2/25 deal be enough? We could add the Ennnis TPE in to make it 2/29. I dunno

PG: Curry
SG: Simmons
SF: Harris
PF: Gallo
C: Embiid

That fixes our shooting issues. You basically have Simmons guarding the bigger/best guard. You could also swap in and out Thybulle when you need more size and defense and you'd still have Milton and Green off the bench.

[mithrandir17]

Woj can report the FA agreements by 6PM EST today right?

[the_process]

My wish/hypothesis on Morey giving props to Doc Rivers' recruiting skills: if Curry fits into the trade exemption from the Horford trade (some debate over that), use the Richardson TPE for Marcus Morris. We need frontcourt help, he's a scorer with range, can play 3 and 4, played for Doc in LA, and would love to come home to Philly. Also gives us some toughness, which is something we really need.

Horford minus (Green plus Ferguson) = 8.4M
Curry = 7.8M

Curry's salary fits into that TPE.

And therefore the DAL trade creates a brand new TPE for Josh Richardson's full salary, 10.8M.

Maybe that's why they overpaid, to get the TPE? Still curious as to how Morey valued that deal.

[Sixerscan]

My wish/hypothesis on Morey giving props to Doc Rivers' recruiting skills: if Curry fits into the trade exemption from the Horford trade (some debate over that), use the Richardson TPE for Marcus Morris. We need frontcourt help, he's a scorer with range, can play 3 and 4, played for Doc in LA, and would love to come home to Philly. Also gives us some toughness, which is something we really need.

Horford minus (Green plus Ferguson) = 8.4M
Curry = 7.8M

Curry's salary fits into that TPE.

And therefore the DAL trade creates a brand new TPE for Josh Richardson's full salary, 10.8M.

Maybe that's why they overpaid, to get the TPE? Still curious as to how Morey valued that deal.

The Curry trade already went through, but the Green trade isn’t going to for a couple weeks it sounds like because OKC didn’t want to wait on the original laker trade and make it a 4 teamer. Not sure why.

[Sixerscan]

Is there a way to trade for Gallo? How much is his next contract going to be? He is rumored to want a 2 year deal. Trading Zhaire Scott and Korkmaz would give us around 12m to play with in any sign and trade would a 2/25 deal be enough? We could add the Ennnis TPE in to make it 2/29. I dunno

PG: Curry
SG: Simmons
SF: Harris
PF: Gallo
C: Embiid

That fixes our shooting issues. You basically have Simmons guarding the bigger/best guard. You could also swap in and out Thybulle when you need more size and defense and you'd still have Milton and Green off the bench.

Probably not possible. Doing a sign and trade would hard cap us at the apron and we’re close to if not already over that as we stand now.

Sounds like Atlanta is gonna give him a pretty big offer, also.

[PhillyFan11]

Ferguson, Scott and Zhaire make a combined 11 and change...any realistic trade options that fit what we need?

I wouldn’t mind talking to the Bulls about a reunion with Thad. I think he’d be a pretty good fit and the Bulls now have Carter, Lauri, Williams and are stuck with Porter for 1 more year...
Even Satoransky wouldn’t be the worst fit to replace Ben as a back up ball handler

[ankle420breaker]

Ferguson, Scott and Zhaire make a combined 11 and change...any realistic trade options that fit what we need?

I wouldn’t mind talking to the Bulls about a reunion with Thad. I think he’d be a pretty good fit and the Bulls now have Carter, Lauri, Williams and are stuck with Porter for 1 more year...
Even Satoransky wouldn’t be the worst fit to replace Ben as a back up ball handler

George Hill and Thad would certainly be worth looking into.

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[Monix]

I like Satoranský a lot, Thad makes more than I'd want to pay an aging back up F