Bucks Bogdan Bogdanovic Boondoggle

[Matches Malone]

So in the end it sounds like Bogdanovic wanted more $. I'm fine getting Holiday over him. They have room to get vet guys and be better than last year. The doom and gloom is sickening. And don't call me Alex Lasry. Just take a deep breath and let it play out. Holiday, Middleton, Giannis so called big 3 is way better than what we had. An aging George Hill will be replaced very quickly.

I think you've missed the point if your takeaway is, we are doom and gloom because we lost Bogdanovic. Yes, it would have been nice to have him, but I think most of us are pissed that the front office continues to leak things that end up costing the team in some way. Looks amateurish, especially at a time when we are trying to keep our star player.

[emunney]

I don't know what it is about the way Donte misses layups that people think he has a problem, but Donte shot 65.5% inside of 3 feet last year. He shot 55% from 2 with a defender within 2 feet. He does not have this problem.

I tried this once. Don't waste your time.

Also curious how he had the second-best net rating in the entire NBA for rotation regulars for most of the season. Like, if it's because it's so easy to play with Giannis and some of the other starters on the Bucks, shouldn't the other starters have a better rating than DDV?

^^^I tried that before too and I have no idea why I think it will work now.

Donte is a good young player! No idea why suddenly he's so polarizing. Recency bias I guess.

[HaroldinGMinor]

My issue isn’t with Donte at all, it is with the blatant incompetence of this organization, if I’m Giannis I wouldn’t sign with this team early, that is for sure.

Do you know exactly what happened?

I'll answer for you - no, no you do not. You have no idea what happened.

[SirChurros]

Next year's draft looks nice. Let's just trade everyone and get Cade Cunningham and Jonathan Kuminga.

[Chad34]

The roster is not in shambles, come on.

It's not in shambles. However, I don't think this team was a title winner before any of these moves, I certainly don't think acquiring Holiday makes us one and there are very few moves I can see being made that name us any sort of favorite.

Were the Bucks not the favorite last year?

So you are saying that losing Bledsoe, Hill and Ersan has hurt them as a possible favorite? Isn't Jrue an upgrade?

we have no depth or assets to get it, unless we trade middleton, or lopez in the right deal, and other contenders are going to improve

[SirChurros]

I like Bogdan but admittedly not as much as some here. I think that if the difference between Donte and Bogdan is the difference between not being the favorite and being the favorite, then what is being the favorite really worth?

The important thing here, imo, is the relationship between Giannis and Bogdan and how Giannis perceives this whole thing. In his eyes, did we **** this up, or did we just get screwed?

Donte age 23 vs. Bogdan age 25

FWIW, I don't think Bogdan solved all of our issues, but I certainly think he's far better than Donte is currently.

With him I was concerned about lack of depth.

He's a better fit because he balances the floor with his range. But there's another end of the floor.

We didn't lose because we were a bad defensive team. We lost because of a great defensive team, Giannis' limitations as a player and everyone outside of Middleton being offensively incompetent.

Bogdan's offense is more important than Donte's defense to this team.

[FrieAaron]

The roster is not in shambles, come on.

It's not in shambles. However, I don't think this team was a title winner before any of these moves, I certainly don't think acquiring Holiday makes us one and there are very few moves I can see being made that name us any sort of favorite.

Were the Bucks not the favorite last year?

So you are saying that losing Bledsoe, Hill and Ersan has hurt them as a possible favorite? Isn't Jrue an upgrade?

Jrue is an upgrade to Bledsoe, but we lost Hill, Ersan, Matthews, Rolo, Korver...anyone else? That's the concern at this point. We'll see what the final roster looks like.

[buckboy]

I'd rather have Joe Harris/DDV. Just hope Harris and the Bucks want the same thing.

[machu46]

I don't know what it is about the way Donte misses layups that people think he has a problem, but Donte shot 65.5% inside of 3 feet last year. He shot 55% from 2 with a defender within 2 feet. He does not have this problem.

I like Donte and think he's generally been fine around the rim (though he was off in the Bubble in that aspect of his game as well as basically every other aspect lol).

Do you happen to know his %'s in the halfcourt in those areas though? A lot of his shots at the rim were in transition and would therefore make those percentages look better than they really are.

[BigO]

Some of us have been saying for a long time that the Bucks don't have enough shooters. Last week Horst went out of his way to talk about the importance of adding shooting. There are two reasons the Bucks haven't advanced the past two seasons:

1) Coaching- refuses or is incapable of adapting to different strategies, especially on defense in the playoffs
2) Shooters-not enough of them

The difference between DDV and Bogdan is shooting, which really is a big deal. Miami had two rookies start for them (Robinson and Herro) and all they brought to the table was shooting. But that's how important shooting is. Now that the deal is gone, shooting is still a big problem for the Bucks. Not as big as it was, since Holiday is a big improvement over Bledsoe, but still not good enough.

[FrieAaron]

The thing that Bogdan would bring that the Bucks severely needed is shot creation, both his own and for others. And although I haven't watched Joe Harris a ton, I don't believe he brings that at all. In fact, is it a stretch to say Bogdan probably would have been the best player on the roster for that skill?

[SirChurros]

Some of us have been saying for a long time that the Bucks don't have enough shooters. Last week Horst went out of his way to talk about the importance of adding shooting. There are two reasons the Bucks haven't advanced the past two seasons:

1) Coaching- refuses or is incapable of adapting to different strategies, especially on defense in the playoffs
2) Shooters-not enough of them

The difference between DDV and Bogdan is shooting, which really is a big deal. Miami had two rookies start for them (Robinson and Herro) and all they brought to the table was shooting. But that's how important shooting is. Now that the deal is gone, shooting is still a big problem for the Bucks. Not as big as it was, since Holiday is a big improvement over Bledsoe, but still not good enough.

3) Giannis doesn't know when to kick it out to shooters.

[mkegb]

It's not in shambles. However, I don't think this team was a title winner before any of these moves, I certainly don't think acquiring Holiday makes us one and there are very few moves I can see being made that name us any sort of favorite.

Were the Bucks not the favorite last year?

So you are saying that losing Bledsoe, Hill and Ersan has hurt them as a possible favorite? Isn't Jrue an upgrade?

Jrue is an upgrade to Bledsoe, but we lost Hill, Ersan, Matthews, Rolo, Korver...anyone else? That's the concern at this point. We'll see what the final roster looks like.

I forgot Matthews. The others hardly played or be a real factor in a game.

I think we can find a replacement for Hill and Matthews with the MLE and BAE. If we can land Gallo we upgraded even more.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

more cash in FA to fill out the depth and ddv playing for a contract and a chip on his shoulder excites me more than the euro anyway. sacramentos pace and **** style is the whatevs as it relates to what this guys impact was really going to be.

not bent about this whatsoever in any type of roster shaping way. the only thing that matters is what mattered before and its all to do with the big guy

[emunney]

FWIW, I don't think Bogdan solved all of our issues, but I certainly think he's far better than Donte is currently.

With him I was concerned about lack of depth.

He's a better fit because he balances the floor with his range. But there's another end of the floor.

We didn't lose because we were a bad defensive team. We lost because of a great defensive team, Giannis' limitations as a player and everyone outside of Middleton being offensively incompetent.

Bogdan's offense is more important than Donte's defense to this team.

I completely disagree. We lost on both ends. Our defense didn't get organized, guys didn't start talking, until we were down 3-0. This was a problem the whole bubble.

[xTitan]

My issue isn’t with Donte at all, it is with the blatant incompetence of this organization, if I’m Giannis I wouldn’t sign with this team early, that is for sure.

Do you know exactly what happened?

I'll answer for you - no, no you do not. You have no idea what happened.

Here is what I do know, this organization a history of shooting off their mouth and leaking sh** they shouldn’t.....if it walks like a duck...

[coolhandluke121]

Were the Bucks not the favorite last year?

So you are saying that losing Bledsoe, Hill and Ersan has hurt them as a possible favorite? Isn't Jrue an upgrade?

They were favorites because of a gaudy regular season record and differential that was more of a testament to their depth than anything, and they have terrible depth now. Wes, DDV, Hill, Ersan, Marvin, Pat, Korver, and RoLo all stepped in and helped them not miss a beat when guys were hurt or resting during the regular season, but obviously being able to go 11-12 deep does not pay off in the same way in the playoffs.

Basically they went from a #1 regular season team that dropped out of the top 5 in the playoffs, whereas now I think they are a #8 regular season team that could move up to top-5 in the playoffs. So it's a different dynamic, but they still shouldn't be the favorite.

[har13]

The people dont have problem with Donte, the problem is we have only 2 guards, the problem is what ever you say we want a player now not in 3 years and a **** good one... we signed one player and suddenly some posters say we are fine no problem... yes i know Donte...like you said it before with Thon, Snell, Plumlee, DJ and so many others but yeah ok ,what ever...

[SirChurros]

The roster is not in shambles, come on.

It's not in shambles. However, I don't think this team was a title winner before any of these moves, I certainly don't think acquiring Holiday makes us one and there are very few moves I can see being made that name us any sort of favorite.

Were the Bucks not the favorite last year?

So you are saying that losing Bledsoe, Hill and Ersan has hurt them as a possible favorite? Isn't Jrue an upgrade?

I don't think the Bucks were the favorite last year to most people who are not fans, no.

There were a lot of people clamoring about how this team is built for the regular season.

[xTitan]

I'd rather have Joe Harris/DDV. Just hope Harris and the Bucks want the same thing.

I think Harris gets more money, probably right where he is.