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[dean456]

We really shouldn't.

Can't overpay for a streaky over 30 role player.

So much player movement, a max guy guy could become available soon and we need to use the cap space wisely.

We should offer a bigger 1 year deal, if someone offers him lower multi year deal, that's Crowder's choice.

You save the long term money for consistent/young role players, for stars, or for high upside improving guys.

Yeah Gom is right its not an overpay. 3yrs 36 mil is like 11mil starting salary. Keep in mind we can afford that and still have a max contract to offer a free agent next offseason.

Also if someone like Joe Harris is being offered something like 18mil like has been rumoured I think Crowder could get something slightly less than that. Remember Jae was starting for a team that made it to the finals. While with us last season averaged 12ppg, 5.4rpg, 1.6apg, 1.3spg shooting 44% from 3 in 27mpg all while playing great defense.

It may be a small sample size so maybe some teams might be hesitant to offer him big money but for teams that have the MLE I think he'd have his pick of the litter.

Also in my eyes Jae was pivotal in the Milwaukee series defending against Giannis and if we want a hope of Giannis not resigning with Milwaukee next season we will likely have to beat them again unless someone else can.

It's an overpay for us situation.

Highlight part is incorrect. You add 11+ Mil$ to next year's books and we don't have enough for a full Max unless we get into complex cap gymnastics that might cost us assets we shouldn't give.

You don't risk the option to add a Giannis/Kawhi in order to keep Crowder for one more year. We can't get into bidding wars against the Hawks of the world for role players. We're a destination team and hunting for whales in the next 2 years.

I'd like Crowder to stay - you offer him a bigger 1 year deal or he can choose long term security elsewhere.

Yeah sorry you're right I was working off old projections. It will depend on how the salary cap is effected this upcoming season. If it doesn't increase and stays where it is currently we'd be left with max $25,385,791 signing Crowder to a 3yr/36mil deal. Without his contract we'd have a max cap room of $35,450,187.

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Thoughts of bringing back JJ on a minimum deal.....???

Nah. That ship has sailed.

Would rather give "P" those minutes.

Sorry Twix, gotta agree with this one. KZ & PA are our future and JJ did something more than just being unfit to earn the level of doghouse he got. The young uns can learn from Iggy and others, and get their chances this season with less vets around.

Ultimately, we need to know if we got something with either of them, so we can plan the roster long term around Jimmy/Bam/‘21 FA/etc

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Thoughts of bringing back JJ on a minimum deal.....???

Nah. That ship has sailed.

Would rather give "P" those minutes.

Sorry Twix, gotta agree with this one. KZ & PA are our future and JJ did something more than just being unfit to earn the level of doghouse he got. The young uns can learn from Iggy and others, and get their chances this season with less vets around.

Ultimately, we need to know if we got something with either of them, so we can plan the roster long term around Jimmy/Bam/‘21 FA/etc

Well my thing is this, if your looking for a player who will take a one year deal. JJ is likely a player who would, not Crowder or Jones Jr. JJ fits and knows the system. The only thing JJ would need to do is pass the physical exam requirements

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[al bondiga]

I think Warriors are going to want to trade green what do you think for Duncan or Tyler??

[IggieCC]

I think Warriors are going to want to trade green what do you think for Duncan or Tyler??

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I think Warriors are going to want to trade green what do you think for Duncan or Tyler??

He would eat away our cap space earning > $22 million this season followed by 3 more years of increasing salaries.

No thanks.

[Beenie]

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I think Warriors are going to want to trade green what do you think for Duncan or Tyler??

They should consider moving him for Kevin Love. Warriors need more shooting with the loss of Klay and the salaries make it a clean trade.

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[The Bunk]

I think Warriors are going to want to trade green what do you think for Duncan or Tyler??

I wouldn't trade Olynyk and Iggy for that terrible contract if they were attaching 3 first round picks with him.

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people who don't know al what he really meant to say was "hello"

[gom]

Cant have another Mcbob/waiters or JJ contracts here. One year deals or GTFO

How would that be a Mbob/Waiters or JJ contract? For one we just made the finals we aren't a crappy team trying desperately to improve and two once we add another max guy next season this rosters basically locked in until Jimmy's contract expires and if Crowder gets a 3yr deal with us he'd expire at the same time as Jimmy.

And again we can sign Crowder for 10-12mil and still have enough for a max salary next season provided no one else on the team is more than a 1yr deal. But keep in mind even if we somehow add guys who are on longer than 1yr deals Riley got Butler with no cap space and a bunch of terrible contracts on the team. If Giannis or whoever is available and wants to be here and we have guys like Crowder or Gallinari on larger than 1yr deals we can make it work. Milwaukee wont want to lose Giannis for nothing and I doubt Giannis would want to leave the team high and dry so they would take what we'd have to offer if Giannis wanted to sign here.

Contracts can be assets too. A 3 yr Crowder deal at $10m (if you can sign him for MLE) is a good asset. At $12m fair value and still tradeable (like as filler in a Giannis trade). More than that and you have to add assets to move him today, but who knows what happens next season and beyond.

I really don't see an issue with having to make some trades at the end to get space to sign Giannis (or Kawhi or whoever). What's most important is to accumulate trade assets, because an S&T is more likely than signing into cap space with league salary so tight. The pandemic is going to change a lot of plans.

Also, Precious Achiuwa will probably play much of the season in Sioux Falls. Just like Okpala and Silva last season. I'd expect him to join after the all star break but not have a major role. He needs a better jump shot.

[Seabass777]

Cant have another Mcbob/waiters or JJ contracts here. One year deals or GTFO

How would that be a Mbob/Waiters or JJ contract? For one we just made the finals we aren't a crappy team trying desperately to improve and two once we add another max guy next season this rosters basically locked in until Jimmy's contract expires and if Crowder gets a 3yr deal with us he'd expire at the same time as Jimmy.

And again we can sign Crowder for 10-12mil and still have enough for a max salary next season provided no one else on the team is more than a 1yr deal. But keep in mind even if we somehow add guys who are on longer than 1yr deals Riley got Butler with no cap space and a bunch of terrible contracts on the team. If Giannis or whoever is available and wants to be here and we have guys like Crowder or Gallinari on larger than 1yr deals we can make it work. Milwaukee wont want to lose Giannis for nothing and I doubt Giannis would want to leave the team high and dry so they would take what we'd have to offer if Giannis wanted to sign here.

Contracts can be assets too. A 3 yr Crowder deal at $10m (if you can sign him for MLE) is a good asset. At $12m fair value and still tradeable (like as filler in a Giannis trade). More than that and you have to add assets to move him today, but who knows what happens next season and beyond.

I really don't see an issue with having to make some trades at the end to get space to sign Giannis (or Kawhi or whoever). What's most important is to accumulate trade assets, because an S&T is more likely than signing into cap space with league salary so tight. The pandemic is going to change a lot of plans.

Also, Precious Achiuwa will probably play much of the season in Sioux Falls. Just like Okpala and Silva last season. I'd expect him to join after the all star break but not have a major role. He needs a better jump shot.

There won’t be a Gleague this year if I’m not mistaken

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Crowder for 36/3 is a no-brainer to me. If he was on another team I suspect we'd all be willing to offer that for a 30yo combo forward who can stretch the floor and provide solid versatile defense all while seemingly being a great teammate. In 41 games total (RS + PS) with Miami he was 39% on over 2.7 made 3s per game with a 120 ORTG

This time next year the HEAT could have to beg teams to take that contract.

I can't imagine how unless Crowder falls off a cliff at age 30. Look around the league, $13 per is below market value for a versatile 3/D forward still in his prime who just played a crucial starting role in a Finals run. I say crucial because who knows if we even make it out of the 2nd round without Crowder being a Bucks killer on both ends

To put it into perspective; we have KO on a $50/4, a backup spot-starter perpetually in and out of the rotation who was catching DNP-CDs during the playoffs, and yet that's still generally considered a good value contract in today's league. $13 per is in the territory of Will Barton, Thad Young, Terrence Ross, Pat Beverley, Dewayne Dedmon: all guys in the 29-32 age range on multi-year deals of at least $13 per. Crowder on $36/3 would be either a cost-efficient deal for us as an important component of our team, or it could be a nice trade asset if we absolutely had to move him because 3/D wing is probably the most portable in-demand role in today's game

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Nothing really being reported but this stuff is floating around.

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[BenoUdrihFTL]

Yikes no thank you^^^

[Kobewade11]

Dragic does not fit the youth movement the Pelicans are going with. How do these hacks come up with this stuff

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Cant have another Mcbob/waiters or JJ contracts here. One year deals or GTFO

How would that be a Mbob/Waiters or JJ contract? For one we just made the finals we aren't a crappy team trying desperately to improve and two once we add another max guy next season this rosters basically locked in until Jimmy's contract expires and if Crowder gets a 3yr deal with us he'd expire at the same time as Jimmy.

And again we can sign Crowder for 10-12mil and still have enough for a max salary next season provided no one else on the team is more than a 1yr deal. But keep in mind even if we somehow add guys who are on longer than 1yr deals Riley got Butler with no cap space and a bunch of terrible contracts on the team. If Giannis or whoever is available and wants to be here and we have guys like Crowder or Gallinari on larger than 1yr deals we can make it work. Milwaukee wont want to lose Giannis for nothing and I doubt Giannis would want to leave the team high and dry so they would take what we'd have to offer if Giannis wanted to sign here.

Contracts can be assets too. A 3 yr Crowder deal at $10m (if you can sign him for MLE) is a good asset. At $12m fair value and still tradeable (like as filler in a Giannis trade). More than that and you have to add assets to move him today, but who knows what happens next season and beyond.

I really don't see an issue with having to make some trades at the end to get space to sign Giannis (or Kawhi or whoever). What's most important is to accumulate trade assets, because an S&T is more likely than signing into cap space with league salary so tight. The pandemic is going to change a lot of plans.

Also, Precious Achiuwa will probably play much of the season in Sioux Falls. Just like Okpala and Silva last season. I'd expect him to join after the all star break but not have a major role. He needs a better jump shot.

While I agree gom there’s also a risk in this kind of thinking. This is why we gave all those 4 years deals out in 2018. We thought we’d rehabilitated their careers and that the contracts would have positive value. The ended up not being true. Same could happen with Jae if we put ourselves in a position where we’re desperate to move him.

[RexBoyWonder]

We just put up billboards all over Lithuania to say "Dragic we're your second family come back to us". You'd have to be a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) to think we did that only to trade him to New Orleans for **** Lonzo Ball.