OT: COVID-19 Ontario 2nd Wave Thread

[gei]

I don't really understand the rationality behind people insisting on a "lockdown". The virus is not spreading from specific spots that can be locked down - ie restaurants, gyms, etc. It's spreading from people gathering.

The government can implement whatever rules they want, but people are still going to see their families for the holidays regardless of what rules are in place. All these "lockdowns" do at this point is destroy businesses and serve no other useful purpose.

[KL78192020]

how long is this new lockdown in the GTA?

[Caboclo]

New lockdown measures for Toronto and Peel, starting next monday

-No indoor gatherings with anyone outside a person's household.
-Individuals who live alone can have close contact with one other household.
-Outdoor gatherings are limited to 10 people.
-Restaurants are limited to take-out, drive-through and delivery only.
-Religious services and weddings are limited to 10 people indoors or 10 people outdoors.
-Gyms are closed.
-Non-essential retail and malls can are limited to curbside pickup or delivery only.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-covid-cases-lockdown-doug-ford-toronto-peel-york-1.5808008

[KL78192020]

all fine dining restaurants are 100% going bankrupt at this point. Only small takeout spots will survive.

[raptorstime]

It's going to be a cold winter.

Read on Twitter

[gerrit4]

all fine dining restaurants are 100% going bankrupt at this point. Only small takeout spots will survive.

I'm shocked that so many survived the last lockdown.

[Bankai]

So if 90% of Infections are coming from Workplaces, does it really make sense for the Ford Gov't to close everything BUT workplaces? Just saying...

This Lockdown is going to be more worse than the 1st one. People are still going to be infected, people still need to go to work, and lockdowns is going to hurt more than help. How can S.Korea do so well without the need to Lockdown? Because I think they figured out more logical methods instead of just closing down everything people find "fun". It almost feels like the Government is just content in just blaming people in general, instead of surgically finding which spots they really need to isolate.

[mtcan]

all fine dining restaurants are 100% going bankrupt at this point. Only small takeout spots will survive.

Fine dining restaurants aren't cut out for the current situation. The last time fine dining restaurants took a hit was in 2008 during that economic downturn.

Sad to say...and as a foodie...I miss dining out especially in a fancy restaurant.

Here's also an opportunity for these businesses to explore different ways to remake their cuisine into something that is take-out friendly. Now is not the time to fold up and go home. Lets see some creativity from the fine dining restaurants. Earlier in the pandemic, there are restaurants that pivoted to not only providing cooked food for delivery/take out...also groceries and specialty items...this is an example of reinventing yourself in the face of adversity.

It isn't a death sentence unless you aren't able to think differently and be creative.

[Jeremy Lin 7]

Go into Lockdown but keep schools open. Doug Ford logic for you

[mtcan]

Go into Lockdown but keep schools open. Doug Ford logic for you

Only time will tell if that decision is the right one.

My family got **** by covid in my kid's school recently. Kid was forced to isolate at home for 2 weeks because of 4 cases in the cohort. Thankfully no one in the house actually has covid but keeping the kid home for 2 weeks while managing a full time job is hard.

[Vaclac]

Go into Lockdown but keep schools open. Doug Ford logic for you

There's tons of evidence now that across the world schools aren't significant sources of transmission. At the beginning people may have instinctively thought that they would facilitate transmission like they do for other germs, but to demand now that they be closed is simply contrary to all the evidence. If they closed them, people would scramble for daycare probably calling on grandparents to help out which is much worse than sending them to school even from strictly the virus point of view and not even caring about education or inequality or parents' ability to work and provide for their families.

[NBA Sheady]

We have only rough ideas of where cases are coming from. Contact tracing isn't nearly as accurate as many people think.

The reason a clinical trial is the holy grail of scientific study is the stringent controls. When things actually happen in the wild very little is known for sure.

We don't know with any certainty where or how community spread is occurring.

We could have prevented this lockdown (or at least delayed it) but people are selfish and stupid.

[Wo1verine]

Straight mental what's going on in Toronto and Peel only a matter of time before it happens else where across the country Gatineau just moved to code red.

Man, i wished i lived in Florida.

[KL78192020]

So if 90% of Infections are coming from Workplaces, does it really make sense for the Ford Gov't to close everything BUT workplaces? Just saying...

This Lockdown is going to be more worse than the 1st one. People are still going to be infected, people still need to go to work, and lockdowns is going to hurt more than help. How can S.Korea do so well without the need to Lockdown? Because I think they figured out more logical methods instead of just closing down everything people find "fun". It almost feels like the Government is just content in just blaming people in general, instead of surgically finding which spots they really need to isolate.

Plus its just peel and toronto. You know because people don't have cars and can't drive another 10 minutes away. lol this move is so half assed. Shut down the province or don't shut down anything. More half assed measures. Schools are still open to, warehouses, factories. Covid doesn't like those environments I guess.

[KL78192020]

Go into Lockdown but keep schools open. Doug Ford logic for you

There's tons of evidence now that across the world schools aren't significant sources of transmission. At the beginning people may have instinctively thought that they would facilitate transmission like they do for other germs, but to demand now that they be closed is simply contrary to all the evidence. If they closed them, people would scramble for daycare probably calling on grandparents to help out which is much worse than sending them to school even from strictly the virus point of view and not even caring about education or inequality or parents' ability to work and provide for their families.

where is the data for exactly what percent of cases are coming from what locations in the GTA. Link?

[DG88]

Ford's mismanagement of this pandemic is just insane. We should have been in lockdown earlier and the rules need to be enforced, there's no way around this. You lockdown Toronto and Peel but what's going to happen people in those regions will go elsewhere.

[DG88]

Straight mental what's going on in Toronto and Peel only a matter of time before it happens else where across the country Gatineau just moved to code red.

Man, i wished i lived in Florida.

To a worse hotzone???????

[jaymeister15]

I'm shocked that so many survived the last lockdown.

Yep, not to mention all the money they've spent in the last few weeks on patio heaters,tents, etc. to do what they can to stay open and make some sort of income----just to be told that outdoor dining is apparently not safe anymore either (as far as I can tell, there haven't been any outbreaks linked to patio dining)

So many of these restrictions are going to do more harm than good. Gyms in condos for example will now have to close. It was one thing to do it March and April as the weather got better (and we didn't know as much about COVID). Seasonal affective disorder is a real thing and will just be amplified 10 fold by this stuff--now you are asking everyone who lives in a condo to stay home except for essential trips and not see anyone outside their household, when the weather is cold and the sun goes down at 5 pm everyday (just as most people finish work), and now can't even go to the gym in your building to get some exercise. Where is the risk allowing people to book the gym to themselves for an hour?

As another example, how many outbreaks have been linked to hair salons with all the guidelines in place? With the thousands of people getting their haircuts every month (and all the names/contact info taken), you would think it'd be easy to link many, many outbreaks to them if they were a legitimate source of spread. I don't personally care about getting my haircut over the next however many weeks this lasts, but it's completely unfair to these business owners that have been following every protocol put in place while trying to stay afloat (and all their clients are just going to drive 15 or 20 minutes to get their services somewhere open)

[Wo1verine]

Straight mental what's going on in Toronto and Peel only a matter of time before it happens else where across the country Gatineau just moved to code red.

Man, i wished i lived in Florida.

To a worse hotzone???????

Yes, i'll take my chances - I only have one life to live and i'm healthy.

[LJKO]

New lockdown measures for Toronto and Peel, starting next monday

-No indoor gatherings with anyone outside a person's household.
-Individuals who live alone can have close contact with one other household.
-Outdoor gatherings are limited to 10 people.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-covid-cases-lockdown-doug-ford-toronto-peel-york-1.5808008

Tell me how this make sense? You can still gathering outdoor with 10 people which is higher chance but can't gather with different household like a single family or friend which is lower chance?

FORD F OFF