Random Rumors and Trade Board General Thoughts Thread

[Arsenal]

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This must mean Boston is getting another Center. Will the Pacers trade them Turner for Hayward?

[MoneyTalks41890]

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How can the Lakers offer him anything in the range of what he's looking for? Double S&T with KCP?

Idk what he’s looking for, but McGee, Kuzma, Caruso, Tucker gets you to 12m meaning starting at 17m

[Slava]

How can the Lakers offer him anything in the range of what he's looking for? Double S&T with KCP?

They should still be able to move Shroder, right?

I believe the following works:

LAL Out: Shroder (15.5), Kuzma (3.5), Horton Tucker (1.6)
SAC Out: Bogdan (4/68), Bjelica (7.1)

Then re-sign Rondo + KCP. I think both teams should make that trade, but admittedly I'm much lower on Shroder than most because I think his 3-point numbers are due for regression.

Sacramento already has Fox and drafted Haliburton, they could use KCP more than Schröder plus Schröder came to LA with LeBron's blessing.

[Slava]

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How can the Lakers offer him anything in the range of what he's looking for? Double S&T with KCP?

Idk what he’s looking for, but McGee, Kuzma, Caruso, Tucker gets you to 12m meaning starting at 17m

I think he can easily get 20M/year from either Atlanta, Charlotte or NYK.

[MoneyTalks41890]

KCP would be BYC right?

[kalenclayton]

How can the Lakers offer him anything in the range of what he's looking for? Double S&T with KCP?

They should still be able to move Shroder, right?

I believe the following works:

LAL Out: Shroder (15.5), Kuzma (3.5), Horton Tucker (1.6)
SAC Out: Bogdan (4/68), Bjelica (7.1)

Then re-sign Rondo + KCP. I think both teams should make that trade, but admittedly I'm much lower on Shroder than most because I think his 3-point numbers are due for regression.

Sacramento already has Fox and drafted Haliburton, they could use KCP more than Schröder plus Schröder came to LA with LeBron's blessing.

Neither Schroder nor KCP have any reason to be on the Kings, especially arriving in a deal where it helps a division opponent (a hated one at that).

[Slava]

They should still be able to move Shroder, right?

I believe the following works:

LAL Out: Shroder (15.5), Kuzma (3.5), Horton Tucker (1.6)
SAC Out: Bogdan (4/68), Bjelica (7.1)

Then re-sign Rondo + KCP. I think both teams should make that trade, but admittedly I'm much lower on Shroder than most because I think his 3-point numbers are due for regression.

Sacramento already has Fox and drafted Haliburton, they could use KCP more than Schröder plus Schröder came to LA with LeBron's blessing.

Neither Schroder nor KCP have any reason to be on the Kings, especially arriving in a deal where it helps a division opponent (a hated one at that).

KCP would be the second best player on the Kings.

[OutsidetheNBA]

They should still be able to move Shroder, right?

I believe the following works:

LAL Out: Shroder (15.5), Kuzma (3.5), Horton Tucker (1.6)
SAC Out: Bogdan (4/68), Bjelica (7.1)

Then re-sign Rondo + KCP. I think both teams should make that trade, but admittedly I'm much lower on Shroder than most because I think his 3-point numbers are due for regression.

Sacramento already has Fox and drafted Haliburton, they could use KCP more than Schröder plus Schröder came to LA with LeBron's blessing.

Neither Schroder nor KCP have any reason to be on the Kings, especially arriving in a deal where it helps a division opponent (a hated one at that).

To be clear, I had the Lakers re-signing KCP, not the Kings.

I agree with the Shroder analysis - I think he's vastly overpaid and not particularly useful. From the Kings perspective, I think it depends on how much you value Kuzma. Personally, I think he can grow into a very useful 6th-man type, which would be worth trading an expiring Bjelica (who doesn't fit your timeline).

And whether you think you can flip Shroder to a third team at the deadline for salary savings + a 2nd.

[kalenclayton]

Sacramento already has Fox and drafted Haliburton, they could use KCP more than Schröder plus Schröder came to LA with LeBron's blessing.

Neither Schroder nor KCP have any reason to be on the Kings, especially arriving in a deal where it helps a division opponent (a hated one at that).

KCP would be the second best player on the Kings.

I’m not interested in arguing about good or bad KCP is on the Kings because I don’t believe we will find a common ground. I’m stating that KCP is yet another middling vet who has no place on the Kings. He would be just another piece that keeps the team in the 10th spot in the west. He has no extra upside. There is also the large possibility that he gets much worse on the Kings... trust me, I’ve seen this time and time again. The team would be so much better off matching a Bogdanovic contract than taking on KCP.

[Scoot McGroot]

Gotta say, the more I see and hear from Bobby Marks, the more I’m concerned a bit that he both comments on draft picks for ESPN AND contracts out to coach up draft picks. He mentioned some on air, but didn’t mention them in Lowe post, etc. Seems like a HUGE conflict of interest.

As long as its disclosed, I don't see the problem. Man's gotta eat.

Generally, he should also abstain from commenting on players he has a business agreement or interest in. It’d be fine if he said he worked with guys and wouldn’t discuss them on air. But then he discusses them as if he’s impartial, which he clearly cannot be.

[Scoot McGroot]

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How can the Lakers offer him anything in the range of what he's looking for? Double S&T with KCP?

Idk what he’s looking for, but McGee, Kuzma, Caruso, Tucker gets you to 12m meaning starting at 17m

Lakers will likely be a tax team, so 25% matching, not $5m.

[kalenclayton]

Sacramento already has Fox and drafted Haliburton, they could use KCP more than Schröder plus Schröder came to LA with LeBron's blessing.

Neither Schroder nor KCP have any reason to be on the Kings, especially arriving in a deal where it helps a division opponent (a hated one at that).

To be clear, I had the Lakers re-signing KCP, not the Kings.

I agree with the Shroder analysis - I think he's vastly overpaid and not particularly useful. From the Kings perspective, I think it depends on how much you value Kuzma. Personally, I think he can grow into a very useful 6th-man type, which would be worth trading an expiring Bjelica (who doesn't fit your timeline).

And whether you think you can flip Shroder to a third team at the deadline for salary savings + a 2nd.

You have sound logic. I just don’t think the Kings and Lakers are good trading partners for many reasons. The biggest reason is that I don’t see Kuzma or Schroder as good pieces on the Kings. Kuzma’s inefficiencies would be magnified in Sacramento and he would still want to get paid next offseason. I think Schroder is a good player, but the team doesn’t need him. They need to be giving minutes to Haliburton. The value is fine, but the fit isn’t there.

[Arsenal]

Gotta say, the more I see and hear from Bobby Marks, the more I’m concerned a bit that he both comments on draft picks for ESPN AND contracts out to coach up draft picks. He mentioned some on air, but didn’t mention them in Lowe post, etc. Seems like a HUGE conflict of interest.

As long as its disclosed, I don't see the problem. Man's gotta eat.

Generally, he should also abstain from commenting on players he has a business agreement or interest in. It’d be fine if he said he worked with guys and wouldn’t discuss them on air. But then he discusses them as if he’s impartial, which he clearly cannot be.

It's not like insider trading where you have to protect the general public from unscrupulous advisors. Who exactly is being harmed by this? Do you think teams are getting fooled by Bobby Marks' analysis? And if so who cares?

[Texas Chuck]

As long as its disclosed, I don't see the problem. Man's gotta eat.

Generally, he should also abstain from commenting on players he has a business agreement or interest in. It’d be fine if he said he worked with guys and wouldn’t discuss them on air. But then he discusses them as if he’s impartial, which he clearly cannot be.

It's not like insider trading where you have to protect the general public from unscrupulous advisors. Who exactly is being harmed by this? Do you think teams are getting fooled by Bobby Marks' analysis? And if so who cares?

He's made it pretty clear he cares. Just like you've made it clear you don't.

I don't see how that's an issue for anyone else.

[Kilo]

Can a S&T player be combined with another player in an outgoing trade package or so they have to be dealt solo?

[HartfordWhalers]

Can a S&T player be combined with another player in an outgoing trade package or so they have to be dealt solo?

Combined is fine. S&T for S&T is fine. There are the basic issues of BYC and hardcap when applicable, but otherwise S&T is just a normal player in a trade.

[Slava]

Neither Schroder nor KCP have any reason to be on the Kings, especially arriving in a deal where it helps a division opponent (a hated one at that).

KCP would be the second best player on the Kings.

I’m not interested in arguing about good or bad KCP is on the Kings because I don’t believe we will find a common ground. I’m stating that KCP is yet another middling vet who has no place on the Kings. He would be just another piece that keeps the team in the 10th spot in the west. He has no extra upside. There is also the large possibility that he gets much worse on the Kings... trust me, I’ve seen this time and time again. The team would be so much better off matching a Bogdanovic contract than taking on KCP.

This is presuming Bogdanovic wants out and getting an asset in return. KCP is 27, same as Buddy Hield and fits the Kings' timeline around Fox if they trade Hield in the process as planned.

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This must mean Boston is getting another Center. Will the Pacers trade them Turner for Hayward?

Could be after Christian Wood as well. They wanted him at the deadline last year.

[Scoot McGroot]

As long as its disclosed, I don't see the problem. Man's gotta eat.

Generally, he should also abstain from commenting on players he has a business agreement or interest in. It’d be fine if he said he worked with guys and wouldn’t discuss them on air. But then he discusses them as if he’s impartial, which he clearly cannot be.

It's not like insider trading where you have to protect the general public from unscrupulous advisors. Who exactly is being harmed by this? Do you think teams are getting fooled by Bobby Marks' analysis? And if so who cares?

Clearly I care. And clearly, you care deeply too.

[Arsenal]

Generally, he should also abstain from commenting on players he has a business agreement or interest in. It’d be fine if he said he worked with guys and wouldn’t discuss them on air. But then he discusses them as if he’s impartial, which he clearly cannot be.

It's not like insider trading where you have to protect the general public from unscrupulous advisors. Who exactly is being harmed by this? Do you think teams are getting fooled by Bobby Marks' analysis? And if so who cares?

Clearly I care. And clearly, you care deeply too.

No, I just don't like calling out a guy for doing something totally harmless trying to make a living.

Clearly, you do. And now I'm done with this convo.