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Post#21 » by d-train » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:07 pm

JasonStern wrote:We got Kanter back AND got rid of Hezonja? This might be Olshey's best offseason ever.

And I know everyone wanted #30 from Boston, but dumping Hezonja has to be equal value - right?

Celtics didn't give up the 30th. They swapped picks, big difference.
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Post#22 » by d-train » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:10 pm

Village Idiot wrote:I'm ok with this. It also means Whiteside is gone. Can't say I'll miss him

Yeah, but we don't know how he will be gone.
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Re: Woj: Enes Kanter - The Return 

Post#23 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:14 pm

JasonStern wrote:We got Kanter back AND got rid of Hezonja? This might be Olshey's best offseason ever.

And I know everyone wanted #30 from Boston, but dumping Hezonja has to be equal value - right?


Naw we could have just waived Mario if we needed a roster spot, there isn't much benefit to dumping him except maybe one could argue that it lets Kanter cost 3 million instead of 5.

Bane would be interesting a polished shooter who could have stepped right into a bench role for us. I am curious what the "future draft considerations" from Memphis is, but if Portland could have beat it there were some intriguing prospects left at #30.
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Post#24 » by GEE » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:18 pm

I was hoping to see Whiteside come back, but to bring Kanter back to solidify the C for just $5 mil next year is awesome. There's no debate that Nurkic and Kanter had a much better chemistry as well. As for the #30, don't care because we got the guy that fits perfectly. Good move Olshey! Can't wait to see what's next.

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Post#25 » by d-train » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:20 pm

DusterBuster wrote:Apparently, Celtics gave Enes the choice between going to Portland or Memphis and chose to come back to PDX.

Mario being in the trade could mean Blazers are using the full MLE. If you do the math, the can't use the MLE, BAE, and take Kanter's full salary.
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Post#26 » by Pattycakes » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:21 pm

Blazers getting Kanter back is a match made in heaven. My heart just healed.
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Post#27 » by JasonStern » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:23 pm

Sinobas wrote:Awesome! Truthfully, Portland would have been much better off if we had retained Kanter, and that's leaving aside the obvious injury issues. Kanter was a better fit for us than Whiteside.


It wasn't a choice between Kanter and Whiteside - it was a choice between one of Hood, Kanter, or Curry. Although the Blazers apparently had Kanter as choice #1, the Blazers made the right choice at the time. Hood would have been much harder to replace given the Blazers' roster and salary commitments at the time. Whiteside was a follow-up move. Nobody could have predicted Hood would have suffered an Achilles injury. But knowing what we know now, sure. Kanter should have been the Blazers' target.
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Re: Woj: Enes Kanter - The Return 

Post#28 » by PDXKnight » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:33 pm

Better kanter than bringing back hasan. Now we need a wing with the mle, crowder or Hood
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Post#29 » by d-train » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:43 pm

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JasonStern wrote:We got Kanter back AND got rid of Hezonja? This might be Olshey's best offseason ever.

And I know everyone wanted #30 from Boston, but dumping Hezonja has to be equal value - right?


Naw we could have just waived Mario if we needed a roster spot, there isn't much benefit to dumping him except maybe one could argue that it lets Kanter cost 3 million instead of 5.

Bane would be interesting a polished shooter who could have stepped right into a bench role for us. I am curious what the "future draft considerations" from Memphis is, but if Portland could have beat it there were some intriguing prospects left at #30.

There is benefit to trading him rather than waiving him. Waiving him would add to dead money and we would need to reduce our payroll by $1.9M. We would have kept him at the expense of a roster spot for a young player or vet filling a need.
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Re: Woj: Enes Kanter - The Return 

Post#30 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:50 pm

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JasonStern wrote:We got Kanter back AND got rid of Hezonja? This might be Olshey's best offseason ever.

And I know everyone wanted #30 from Boston, but dumping Hezonja has to be equal value - right?


Naw we could have just waived Mario if we needed a roster spot, there isn't much benefit to dumping him except maybe one could argue that it lets Kanter cost 3 million instead of 5.

Bane would be interesting a polished shooter who could have stepped right into a bench role for us. I am curious what the "future draft considerations" from Memphis is, but if Portland could have beat it there were some intriguing prospects left at #30.

There is benefit to trading him rather than waiving him. Waiving him would add to dead money and we would need to reduce our payroll by $1.9M. We would have kept him at the expense of a roster spot for a young player or vet filling a need.


Yes, as I said the benefit is effectively paying Kanter 3 million rather than 5 - or put in other words it only increased our salary by 3 million to acquire Kanter.
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Post#31 » by Pattycakes » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:54 pm

Oden2 wrote:Better kanter than bringing back hasan. Now we need a wing with the mle, crowder or Hood


That applies for so many reasons. Hassan isn’t a quarter of the teammate or hustler that Kanter is on his worst day, and for that - I don’t even care about the stats. The on-court chemistry is so much more evident and healthy. This is a “small” move that will come back to serve us big time.
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Post#32 » by d-train » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:02 pm

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Naw we could have just waived Mario if we needed a roster spot, there isn't much benefit to dumping him except maybe one could argue that it lets Kanter cost 3 million instead of 5.

Bane would be interesting a polished shooter who could have stepped right into a bench role for us. I am curious what the "future draft considerations" from Memphis is, but if Portland could have beat it there were some intriguing prospects left at #30.

There is benefit to trading him rather than waiving him. Waiving him would add to dead money and we would need to reduce our payroll by $1.9M. We would have kept him at the expense of a roster spot for a young player or vet filling a need.


Yes, as I said the benefit is effectively paying Kanter 3 million rather than 5 - or put in other words it only increased our salary by 3 million to acquire Kanter.

If Blazers use the MLE, BAE, and keep or replace Hood with someone comparable, we can't do all this without the trade including Mario. Unless, we go over the tax.
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Post#33 » by red_power » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:06 pm

Yeah I like it. Blazers dumped useless Hezonja with his $2 mln deal and acquired a good backup center on a reasonable contract.

It also means that Hassan Whiteside, with his terrible attitude and bad habits, is as good as gone already.

Quite a lot of reasons to be content here.
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Post#34 » by Pattycakes » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:10 pm

red_power wrote:Yeah I like it. Blazers dumped useless Hezonja with his $2 mln deal and acquired a good backup center on a reasonable contract.

It also means that Hassan Whiteside, with his terrible attitude and bad habits, is as good as gone already.

Quite a lot of reasons to be content here.


Dude I’m so freaking happy to be free of Hassan. I am rejoicing like a mf today. It’s funny how every team that trades him tries to expose his on-court rep, but there’s no way to really be prepared for a 7’ three year old who shows a breath of complete dominance in random insignificant moments.
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Post#35 » by JRoy » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:18 pm

red_power wrote:Yeah I like it. Blazers dumped useless Hezonja with his $2 mln deal and acquired a good backup center on a reasonable contract.

It also means that Hassan Whiteside, with his terrible attitude and bad habits, is as good as gone already.

Quite a lot of reasons to be content here.


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Post#36 » by dunlop212 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:19 pm

I think that if you look back on the stretch of games Nurk and Turk played together, PDX was playing excellent ball and the two Cs were posting Wilt Chamberlain points and RBs.
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Post#37 » by d-train » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:26 pm

dunlop212 wrote:I think that if you look back on the stretch of games Nick and Turk played together, PDX was playing excellent ball and the two Cs were post Wilt Chamberlain points and RBs.

Yeah, that run was picking up steam before Kanter. But, Kanter fit right in like a glove. Not OJ's glove.
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Post#38 » by JasonStern » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:27 pm

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red_power wrote:It also means that Hassan Whiteside, with his terrible attitude and bad habits, is as good as gone already.


Dude I’m so freaking happy to be free of Hassan. I am rejoicing like a mf today. It’s funny how every team that trades him tries to expose his on-court rep, but there’s no way to really be prepared for a 7’ three year old who shows a breath of complete dominance in random insignificant moments.


Hassan sleep with your girls or something? I get wanting to move on in order to find a better fit, but everything that his teammates had said throughout the season implied Whiteside wasn't a locker room cancer.
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Post#39 » by Pattycakes » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:31 pm

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red_power wrote:It also means that Hassan Whiteside, with his terrible attitude and bad habits, is as good as gone already.


Dude I’m so freaking happy to be free of Hassan. I am rejoicing like a mf today. It’s funny how every team that trades him tries to expose his on-court rep, but there’s no way to really be prepared for a 7’ three year old who shows a breath of complete dominance in random insignificant moments.


Hassan sleep with your girls or something? I get wanting to move on in order to find a better fit, but everything that his teammates had said throughout the season implied Whiteside wasn't a locker room cancer.


Im a big boy with my own eyes and 20+ years of analytical watching of the Blazers. Dude is exactly what we were warned of. I will say he was BETTER than I expected and suited a need, but the need was pathetic to begin with. This is a sign we’re actually improving.
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Post#40 » by red_power » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:36 pm

Hassan may not be the worst colleague you wish to have on your team, but he wasn't looking great when it came down to his professional responsibilities on a basketball court.

He appears to be lost and disenchanted way too often to consider that as an acceptable drawback.
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