WT/Stein: Real Madrid Guard Facundo Campazzo to Sign with Denver Nuggets for 2 Years Guaranteed

Post #21 » by **The Rebel** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:19 am

Pattycakes wrote:Didn’t Denver just snag one or two other high-potential rooks as well, or was this him?

Yes, we got Hampton who is at least a year away.

Sgt Major · Post #22 » by **Sgt Major** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:22 am

So this guy and Jokic will play together

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guille_4 · Post #23 » by **guille_4** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:34 am

He's paying Real Madrid 7 million dollars (6 million euros) for his release, so I'd be surprised if the contract is less than 2 years/ 20 million (10 million after taxes). He's betting on himself, he made more than 1.5 million dollars after taxes per season in Real Madrid.

Juree93 · Post #24 » by **Juree93** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:40 am

I dont remember him being that good during Luka years in Real.

Apse4 · Post #25 » by **Apse4** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:02 am

Its gonna end up like Teodosic from Europe to Clippers. Bad.

the7boss · Post #26 » by **the7boss** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:02 pm

Massive asset for nothing, the Nuggets are one of the best run franchises in the NBA.
Facu is going to surprise everyone who has not seen him play, fan favorite since the first week.

DaddyCool19 · Post #27 » by **DaddyCool19** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:42 pm

I wonder if Real allowed him to leave for slightly less thanks to Covid. Especially considering that they cut 10% of the players salaries and wanted to do it again this month. Even 4-5M would be a blessing for them.

UcanUwill · Post #28 » by **UcanUwill** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:51 pm

He can go 3-9 from the feild with 7 points and still be best player on the court. one of those guys. Honestly, his form this season was crap, he still scored and shot the ball poorly but if few latest game his passing was just dismantling opponent defenses. Top 10 at worst, maybe even top 5 passer in the world.

AdagioPace · Post #29 » by **AdagioPace** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:02 pm

Apse4 wrote:Its gonna end up like Teodosic from Europe to Clippers. Bad.

Teodosic was not as good defensively and athletically and he had a cardiovascular health of a 70 y.o lifetime smoker lol

drone3 · Post #30 » by **drone3** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:04 pm

Campazzo is a legend, look forward to watching highlight passes

UcanUwill · Post #31 » by **UcanUwill** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:10 pm

AdagioPace wrote:
Apse4 wrote:Its gonna end up like Teodosic from Europe to Clippers. Bad.

Teodosic was not as good defensively and athletically and he had a cardiovascular health of a 70 y.o lifetime smoker lol

Teodosic and Jasikevicius were never a good fits in the NBA. Teosodic i had bigger hopes for because he in theory provided 2 elite skills, passing and shooting, but hes just so unathletic and even at Euro level, he was often unplayable because of his non existent defense.

Facundo is fast, he is good defender, I think he and Mike James have had most NBA material today out of all Euroleague guards, Facundo especially, I think he is most NBA material player not in the NBA, and its kinda interesting seeing myself and NBA teams agreeing on that for once, because NBA teams like bringing over questionable guys sometimes, while gems stay in Europe. This guy should fit right in into NBA games, the only way I see it fail is if NBA coach just do not see upside in 30 year old rookie and doesnt even give him a fair chance, which is possible, but I hope and doubt that happens.,

Sgt Major · Post #32 » by **Sgt Major** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:14 pm

Teodosoic is not even a Euroleague player anymore, he's a Eurocup guy now.

UcanUwill · Post #33 » by **UcanUwill** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:48 pm

Sgt Major wrote:Teodosoic is not even a Euroleague player anymore, he's a Eurocup guy now.

Well, he is still Euroleague caliber for sure, but even in his prime he was often criticized for his lack of clutch play and his defense when playing for CSKA. I just checked Eurocup stats and realized 34 year old Kalnietis is averaging 8.9 assists in less than 27 minutes, my god, putting Calathes and Campazzo to shame right here :lol:

Sgt Major · Post #34 » by **Sgt Major** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:09 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
Sgt Major wrote:Teodosoic is not even a Euroleague player anymore, he's a Eurocup guy now.

Well, he is still Euroleague caliber for sure, but even in his prime he was often criticized for his lack of clutch play and his defense when playing for CSKA. I just checked Eurocup stats and realized 34 year old Kalnietis is averaging 8.9 assists in less than 27 minutes, my god, putting Calathes and Campazzo to shame right here

He always tried to play hero ball in the clutch and that usually didn't turn out well, bar a few exceptions like Serbia's games vs Slovenia in 2009 and vs Spain in 2010 when he scored an insane three over Garbajosa a few seconds before the end of the game. He never won the Euroleague with Olympiakos and got only one with CSKA, but de Colo was the main guy then. OLY fans blamed him a lot and rightfully so, because his defense and shooting were often plain awful.

And what hurts me the most is his shot against Partizan Belgrade at the F4 when he tried to score the game winner and launched an air-ball, only for Childress to catch it and lay it in for the OT in which Partizan didn't have enough left in the tank to beat the Goliath. I'm not really sure he didn't mean to pass the ball like this, though. :lol:

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Sgt Major · Post #35 » by **Sgt Major** » Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:24 pm

We talked about Teodosic here a few days ago, so here goes this

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Mirotic12 · Post #36 » by **Mirotic12** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:32 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Teodosic and Jasikevicius were never a good fits in the NBA. Teosodic i had bigger hopes for because he in theory provided 2 elite skills, passing and shooting, but hes just so unathletic and even at Euro level, he was often unplayable because of his non existent defense.

Facundo is fast, he is good defender, I think he and Mike James have had most NBA material today out of all Euroleague guards, Facundo especially, I think he is most NBA material player not in the NBA, and its kinda interesting seeing myself and NBA teams agreeing on that for once, because NBA teams like bringing over questionable guys sometimes, while gems stay in Europe. This guy should fit right in into NBA games, the only way I see it fail is if NBA coach just do not see upside in 30 year old rookie and doesnt even give him a fair chance, which is possible, but I hope and doubt that happens.,

Offensively, Teodosic is the most skilled European player of all time. Unfortunately, all of his intangibles are awful, like:

basketball IQ
shot selection
clutch factor
decision making
work ethic on game and on body
defensive awareness

add to that limited athleticism, and the fact he never really cared to try on defense, and he really underachieved. His skill level is just amazing, he should have accomplished so much more than he did.

Campazzo is a 180 degree opposite case - he is nearing to reach his max potential of what he could have achieved.

Jasikevicius is just in the same situation as Navarro and Spanoulis. They came to the NBA too early, when NBA head coaches mostly refused to let a European veteran guard handle the ball, out of an enormous Euro bias. I mean freaking Prigioni did well in the NBA in his late 30s............and even at his peak, he was nowhere near the player Jasikevicius was.

And just look at how much different NBA games are played now. Back then teams didn't want to play a style that could have suited someone like Jasikevicius, and now many do. He could have done fine in a team playing him in pick and roll, and off ball screens, and using him to guard the worst offensive 2/3 of the other team (in a league that no longer even cares about defense).

And to be fair with Teodosic, he still produced quite well whenever the Clippers played him. On some tanking NBA team he would have had big stats. Doc Rivers could have played him more, he was good (at least on offense), whenever he got playing time.

Campazzo is an entirely different kind of player than them. Nowhere near the same talent or skill level as them, but he's very athletic, very strong, very physical, very tough, very good on defense, and has a tremendous motor. The thing is though, that nowadays, it's more important in the NBA that a point guard be a really good scorer and outside shooter, which Campazzo isn't. The NBA trends more to the direction of the Saras type player now, and the Campazzo type player back when Saras was playing. Like defense for example, now the NBA cares at most like 1% if a player can play a lick of defense. And that might be what Campazzo is best at, and was what Saras was the worst at. The NBA criteria for what is a "NBA material" player as you worded it, has flipped completely from what it used to be, especially for lead guards.

Post #37 » by **magee** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:00 pm

Watch on YouTube

Back-up PG. For the few minutes he'll play, it's gonna be fun to see how he and Jokic play off each other on offense. He's really gonna have to fight around picks on defense. Don't expect more than 10-ish minutes of court time from him.

Post #38 » by **magee** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:04 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
Sgt Major wrote:Teodosoic is not even a Euroleague player anymore, he's a Eurocup guy now.

Well, he is still Euroleague caliber for sure, but even in his prime he was often criticized for his lack of clutch play and his defense when playing for CSKA. I just checked Eurocup stats and realized 34 year old Kalnietis is averaging 8.9 assists in less than 27 minutes, my god, putting Calathes and Campazzo to shame right here

I always liked Mantas Kalnietis. I thought he had a shot at getting a training camp invite back when I saw him at the Reebok Eurocamp back in 2006.

UcanUwill · Post #39 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:09 pm

magee wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Sgt Major wrote:Teodosoic is not even a Euroleague player anymore, he's a Eurocup guy now.

Well, he is still Euroleague caliber for sure, but even in his prime he was often criticized for his lack of clutch play and his defense when playing for CSKA. I just checked Eurocup stats and realized 34 year old Kalnietis is averaging 8.9 assists in less than 27 minutes, my god, putting Calathes and Campazzo to shame right here

I always liked Mantas Kalnietis. I thought he had a shot at getting a training camp invite back when I saw him at the Reebok Eurocamp back in 2006.

Hes very unorthodox player. Some of key fundamentals are just missing with him, his handle is terrible, he doesnt know how to set his feet when shooting of the dribble, and it took years for him to get how to bend his knees when defending. NBA athlete, in his prime 6'5 and very athletic, but not NBA player, just cant shoot or dribble.

fteru6uhre54ew · Post #40 » by **fteru6uhre54ew** » Mon Dec 7, 2020 5:57 pm

This guy is going to be the most hated player in no much time if you play versus him. He know to play the other sport really well. Literally a pain in the ass he make a lot of pressure versus the guy that he defends and know the art of flop or drive the rival crazy like no other a non-stop guy all heart. Probably worst than Chris Paul. Is the perfect guy to have on your side because if you don't have it on your side you are going to hate him a lot.

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