The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

[cjbulls]

What is the scenario where he's a star? Is there an NBA comp you can describe where he becomes something special? Are you seeing him as a 3 or 4?

Kawhi Leonard is star based comp people are making.

Interesting choice of words, is that the comp you are making? You think he has a legitimate chance (in line with a #4 selection, we talked about probability of ceiling) of being a #1 scoring option and DPOY? I don't see a legitimate ceiling for either one independently.

[Brothaman33]

Smooth...

Where in the world was this all at?

Better fadeaway then Lauri ever showed.

I mean...its just a pickup game but...Quick handles, using the left and the right, easy athleticism, face melts his defender and immediatly puts his head down and trots to the other end.

They must run some sort of mickey mouse organization over at FSU if they saw any of this and we're like, "Yea 22 minutes is enough".

Or he went straight up Michael's Secret Stuff over the last 5 months.

I'll calm down. I enjoyed watching the minute and a half.

[cjbulls]

Smooth...

Where in the world was this all at?

Better fadeaway then Lauri ever showed.

He's already better down low against smaller guys than Lauri.

[thedarkstark]

What is the scenario where he's a star? Is there an NBA comp you can describe where he becomes something special? Are you seeing him as a 3 or 4?

Kawhi Leonard is star based comp people are making.

Interesting choice of words, is that the comp you are making? You think he has a legitimate chance (in line with a #4 selection, we talked about probability of ceiling) of being a #1 scoring option and DPOY? I don't see a legitimate ceiling for either one independently.

Kawhi was the 15th pick, clearly people didn't think he was going to be a DPOY and finals MVP either. All of your assesments of this kid are based on absolutely nothing. You didn't see his workouts, you don't know how highly other teams valued him, you're just making it up based off of what you read (probably on this board) in the days leading up to the draft.

I'm not a big fan of the pick but you're making yourself look really foolish right now.

[cjbulls]

This is the part I don't understand.

What were people honestly expecting at No. 4? The most realistic outcome for Williams and those taken after him is to be a high-end role guy or, if certain things break right, a borderline All-Star type.

He was a late lottery level guy (obviously the Bulls and at least one other FO disagreed, so this is just my opinion). So you could have traded down and gotten two similar players from the Pistons. They had 7/16 and were desperate for Patrick Williams. And I'm not a big trade down fan, but if my plan is to take Patrick Williams then I should.

I don't think you understand. He wasn't a late lottery level guy because he was the 4th pick and if the Pistons had their way, he would have been the 3rd pick. There was no trading down in this scenario. Nobody was willing to trade up, except the Pistons, and they wanted the same guy we did. So, the only move there was to just stand pat and take your guy at #4. Period. End of story.

AK said he was ready to pick in June, so his mind was made up and PW was his pick. He's not going to play games and try to trade down and hope he can still get his guy. Obviously, if Detroit was looking to jump up to #3 to take him ahead of us, then the only trade down was with them and you're giving up the guy you wanted in the first place.

No, you're not understanding. I get that he was their guy. But his talent wasn't worthy of getting their guy at 4 when there are two chances to get guys an even or possibly better trajectory.

Look at it another way. Let's say Detroit traded up to 3, and then the Bulls used WCJ +4 to trade up to 2 (as rumored), and used 2 to pick Patrick Williams. Would you still be defending it?

That's how I feel about taking him at 4. Great, he's your guy, but he's not worth it.

[cjbulls]

Kawhi Leonard is star based comp people are making.

Interesting choice of words, is that the comp you are making? You think he has a legitimate chance (in line with a #4 selection, we talked about probability of ceiling) of being a #1 scoring option and DPOY? I don't see a legitimate ceiling for either one independently.

Kawhi was the 15th pick, clearly people didn't think he was going to be a DPOY and finals MVP either. All of your assesments of this kid are based on absolutely nothing. You didn't see his workouts, you don't know how highly other teams valued him, you're just making it up based off of what you read (probably on this board) in the days leading up to the draft.

I'm not a big fan of the pick but you're making yourself look really foolish right now.

For the last time, workouts don't mean s#$@. We have 29 games to evaluate his performance. And you can see his measurables and traits on game tape better than ever watching him workout one-on-none.

And because Kawhi succeeded doesn't add anything. Kawhi wasn't a secret type of guy the league just didn't understand. He made tremendous strides from a rookie to become what he is. There are Patrick Williams type guys every year, and they almost never work out.

It's just as pointless as drafting Xavier Tillman at #7 and then justify the reach by claiming you "may" have Draymond Green. So what?

[johnnyvann840]

He was a late lottery level guy (obviously the Bulls and at least one other FO disagreed, so this is just my opinion). So you could have traded down and gotten two similar players from the Pistons. They had 7/16 and were desperate for Patrick Williams. And I'm not a big trade down fan, but if my plan is to take Patrick Williams then I should.

I don't think you understand. He wasn't a late lottery level guy because he was the 4th pick and if the Pistons had their way, he would have been the 3rd pick. There was no trading down in this scenario. Nobody was willing to trade up, except the Pistons, and they wanted the same guy we did. So, the only move there was to just stand pat and take your guy at #4. Period. End of story.

AK said he was ready to pick in June, so his mind was made up and PW was his pick. He's not going to play games and try to trade down and hope he can still get his guy. Obviously, if Detroit was looking to jump up to #3 to take him ahead of us, then the only trade down was with them and you're giving up the guy you wanted in the first place.

No, you're not understanding. I get that he was their guy. But his talent wasn't worthy of getting their guy at 4 when there are two chances to get guys an even or possibly better trajectory.

Look at it another way. Let's say Detroit traded up to 3, and then the Bulls used WCJ +4 to trade up to 2 (as rumored), and used 2 to pick Patrick Williams. Would you still be defending it?

That's how I feel about taking him at 4. Great, he's your guy, but he's not worth it.

[cjbulls]

I don't think you understand. He wasn't a late lottery level guy because he was the 4th pick and if the Pistons had their way, he would have been the 3rd pick. There was no trading down in this scenario. Nobody was willing to trade up, except the Pistons, and they wanted the same guy we did. So, the only move there was to just stand pat and take your guy at #4. Period. End of story.

AK said he was ready to pick in June, so his mind was made up and PW was his pick. He's not going to play games and try to trade down and hope he can still get his guy. Obviously, if Detroit was looking to jump up to #3 to take him ahead of us, then the only trade down was with them and you're giving up the guy you wanted in the first place.

No, you're not understanding. I get that he was their guy. But his talent wasn't worthy of getting their guy at 4 when there are two chances to get guys an even or possibly better trajectory.

Look at it another way. Let's say Detroit traded up to 3, and then the Bulls used WCJ +4 to trade up to 2 (as rumored), and used 2 to pick Patrick Williams. Would you still be defending it?

That's how I feel about taking him at 4. Great, he's your guy, but he's not worth it.

I see you avoided the hypothetical. Would you be happy if they traded up to 2 for Patrick to get ahead of Detroit at 3?

[tedwilliams1999]

A day later, I've bought in to this pick a lot.

PatWill seems to have improved his body for the better already, and from what I've read, seems to have upside to potentially improve his foot-speed if he corrects physical imbalances. That's not to say I believe he can be an SF, still pretty wary on that one, seems like an unlikely possibility to me, but it should improve his game and his defensive versatility a bit more.

Combine that with the fact that he was really underutilized his freshman season and has shown really positive flashes as a passer/handler/pull-up shooter, there is a lot to like.

I see AK's vision now and I'm sorry I doubted him, if only for 24 hours, lol. I'm officially excited for this pick. Him and WCJ are going to form such an exciting back-court.

I've been day dreaming about WCJ and Williams patrolling the paint... Our interior help defense should be super exciting with those two.

I thought Lauri/WCJ had the potential to be an ultra-modern front court at the 4/5, that hasn't panned out. Regardless, I'm a lot more excited about the Williams / WCJ combination. While they may not be wings, they're certainly more than capable of switching everything when necessary, and providing fantastic rim protection to boot.

I'd also be excited to see the Lauri/Williams pairing, as that combo has a lot of complimentary skills as well. I'd be all about a 5 - out style of play, with all 5 guys being able to shoot, dribble, pass, and defend.

Coby/WCJ/Williams/Porter/Young all fit that mold to a tee, and Sato/Hutch/Denzel/Lavine click off most of those boxes as well, though with more flaws.

Excited to start the season!

[boozapalooza]

No, you're not understanding. I get that he was their guy. But his talent wasn't worthy of getting their guy at 4 when there are two chances to get guys an even or possibly better trajectory.

Look at it another way. Let's say Detroit traded up to 3, and then the Bulls used WCJ +4 to trade up to 2 (as rumored), and used 2 to pick Patrick Williams. Would you still be defending it?

That's how I feel about taking him at 4. Great, he's your guy, but he's not worth it.

I see you avoided the hypothetical. Would you be happy if they traded up to 2 for Patrick to get ahead of Detroit at 3?

You’re making a fool of yourself. We didnt draft Williams over Edwards/Wiseman/Ball. It would be a hell of a lot different on here if we did. After those 3, it absolutely can be argued that Williams has the highest potential of any of the remaining players. I wouldve selected him over Okoro, Onyeka, and Hayes all day, who went 5-7. His talent alone is worthy of a top 5 pick, he’s an athletic freak who looks to potentially be solid in all aspects of the game with ability to defend all 5 positions. Same can’t be said for your boys Obi and Deni, who slipped for a reason.

[fleet]

Read on Twitter

Hiding his dysfunctional thighs in sweats. I see you P Will.

[johnnyvann840]

No, you're not understanding. I get that he was their guy. But his talent wasn't worthy of getting their guy at 4 when there are two chances to get guys an even or possibly better trajectory.

Look at it another way. Let's say Detroit traded up to 3, and then the Bulls used WCJ +4 to trade up to 2 (as rumored), and used 2 to pick Patrick Williams. Would you still be defending it?

That's how I feel about taking him at 4. Great, he's your guy, but he's not worth it.

I see you avoided the hypothetical. Would you be happy if they traded up to 2 for Patrick to get ahead of Detroit at 3?

If AK was that set on the kid and thought it was worth it, then, yes, I would be OK with it.... and I am a fan of WCJ and think he is going to break out. However, I'm 100% certain that AK and his staff have done more research on Patrick Williams than I have. In fact, I didn't really know much of anything about the kid until a few days ago other than the fact that his stock was on the rise and he was rapidly shooting up several teams boards over the last few weeks. I don't know why that was, but something happened to make him more valuable in this draft.

Look, soon we are going to find out if it was a good move, or not. At this juncture, I'm giving AK the benefit of the doubt and assuming he knows what he's doing. I lived on the Front Range for 17 years and I am a big Nuggets fan, so I trust AK because I saw what he did there. Basically built a contender without a top 5 pick. Made shrewd moves and trades and drafted well. So, my hope is that he can do something similar here in Chicago.

[Brothaman33]

Read on Twitter

Hiding his dysfunctional thighs in sweats. I see you P Will.

I see it AK...I see it...

He drips with potential. If he works as hard as they say he does and he begins to understand the game...

I see you AK

[gobullschi]

Who do you think that was left on the board had greater star potential? I think Patrick Williams is in that camp as much as any of these guys for the most part.

This is the part I don't understand.

What were people honestly expecting at No. 4? The most realistic outcome for Williams and those taken after him is to be a high-end role guy or, if certain things break right, a borderline All-Star type.

He was a late lottery level guy (obviously the Bulls and at least one other FO disagreed, so this is just my opinion). So you could have traded down and gotten two similar players from the Pistons. They had 7/16 and were desperate for Patrick Williams. And I'm not a big trade down fan, but if my plan is to take Patrick Williams then I should.

We know that this is impossible. The Pistons wanted Patrick Williams. Bulls would have had to take someone else at 7 and it doesn’t sound like AK wanted to. I think that signals to us that AK thinks very highly of PatWill.

[JohnnyTapwater]

Sweat Pants P

[cjbulls]

I see you avoided the hypothetical. Would you be happy if they traded up to 2 for Patrick to get ahead of Detroit at 3?

You’re making a fool of yourself. We didnt draft Williams over Edwards/Wiseman/Ball. It would be a hell of a lot different on here if we did. After those 3, it absolutely can be argued that Williams has the highest potential of any of the remaining players. I wouldve selected him over Okoro, Onyeka, and Hayes all day, who went 5-7. His talent alone is worthy of a top 5 pick, he’s an athletic freak who looks to potentially be solid in all aspects of the game with ability to defend all 5 positions. Same can’t be said for your boys Obi and Deni, who slipped for a reason.

You obviously weren't on here earlier when several posters were saying they think PWill has as high a ceiling as any of the first 3. My point is the resource allocation was poor. It's amazing how many people like yourself are suddenly big fans of him. I sat on that draft board as much as anyone and the guy was not mentioned. At all. And now everyone acts like he was some logical choice just because AK picked him. At least a few are honest about saying they've come around to him, but even that shows there's likely some homerism bias.

[fleet]

Sweat Pants P

Exactly. This is a thing.

Watch on YouTube

[cjbulls]

This is the part I don't understand.

What were people honestly expecting at No. 4? The most realistic outcome for Williams and those taken after him is to be a high-end role guy or, if certain things break right, a borderline All-Star type.

He was a late lottery level guy (obviously the Bulls and at least one other FO disagreed, so this is just my opinion). So you could have traded down and gotten two similar players from the Pistons. They had 7/16 and were desperate for Patrick Williams. And I'm not a big trade down fan, but if my plan is to take Patrick Williams then I should.

We know that this is impossible. The Pistons wanted Patrick Williams. Bulls would have had to take someone else at 7 and it doesn’t sound like AK wanted to. I think that signals to us that AK thinks very highly of PatWill.

No, I mean in that scenario you let the Pistons have him. You take any of the other guys that are still rated as high/higher and then pick up 16 along the way. You could have taken Poku (board favorite) or hoped to swing up a few more spots for Kira (another board fave).

[cjbulls]

I see you avoided the hypothetical. Would you be happy if they traded up to 2 for Patrick to get ahead of Detroit at 3?

If AK was that set on the kid and thought it was worth it, then, yes, I would be OK with it.... and I am a fan of WCJ and think he is going to break out. However, I'm 100% certain that AK and his staff have done more research on Patrick Williams than I have. In fact, I didn't really know much of anything about the kid until a few days ago other than the fact that his stock was on the rise and he was rapidly shooting up several teams boards over the last few weeks. I don't know why that was, but something happened to make him more valuable in this draft.

Look, soon we are going to find out if it was a good move, or not. At this juncture, I'm giving AK the benefit of the doubt and assuming he knows what he's doing. I lived on the Front Range for 17 years and I am a big Nuggets fan, so I trust AK because I saw what he did there. Basically built a contender without a top 5 pick. Made shrewd moves and trades and drafted well. So, my hope is that he can do something similar here in Chicago.

Got it. You are in the blind loyalty phase. I'm just not there personally.

[Indomitable]

Interesting choice of words, is that the comp you are making? You think he has a legitimate chance (in line with a #4 selection, we talked about probability of ceiling) of being a #1 scoring option and DPOY? I don't see a legitimate ceiling for either one independently.

Kawhi was the 15th pick, clearly people didn't think he was going to be a DPOY and finals MVP either. All of your assesments of this kid are based on absolutely nothing. You didn't see his workouts, you don't know how highly other teams valued him, you're just making it up based off of what you read (probably on this board) in the days leading up to the draft.

I'm not a big fan of the pick but you're making yourself look really foolish right now.

For the last time, workouts don't mean s#$@. We have 29 games to evaluate his performance. And you can see his measurables and traits on game tape better than ever watching him workout one-on-none.

And because Kawhi succeeded doesn't add anything. Kawhi wasn't a secret type of guy the league just didn't understand. He made tremendous strides from a rookie to become what he is. There are Patrick Williams type guys every year, and they almost never work out.

It's just as pointless as drafting Xavier Tillman at #7 and then justify the reach by claiming you "may" have Draymond Green. So what?

Ok who should they have drafted?