The Chicago Bulls select forward Patrick Williams #4 overall.

[VolumePoster]

Has anyone identified the other players in that lifetime fitness highlight?

Dinwiddie
OG (maybe)
Anyone else?

Jimmy butler and Paul George.

[Southpaw]

Full video here:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHym2d8BfPb/?igshid=1pvqv11tydszb

Nice! His handle looks a bit "basic" but his midrange looks good. I liked the way he bullied his defender then finished with a lefty layup.

Looks like a very competent SF amongst NBA vets to me.

This is the deceiving thing about college ball. His FSU tape, Williams looked like a butch Zion or Dray.

Alongside NBA players, he's got similar size and movement to Kawhi, George, Lebron, Jimmy, Brown, etc.

I like the size and speed, I just felt his handle was a bit basic. But it's hard to judge from clips like this because it's a pickup game where no one really tries hard on defense. But the video is encouraging for sure.

[Ugly Duckling]

This board is a literal pendulum. First emotional reaction is calling him a bust, then implying he's Kawhi. This was a terrible class on paper. Statistically there will be some good players who emerge, but P. Willy is in no way shape or form ready to play at the next level. He will see spot minutes in the 4th quarters of blowouts until AT LEAST after the break (besides the games Otto sits, which there should be several of). Dude is rough in many different areas and needs a ton of experience before he's NBA-ready. That being said, he has the potential to be really good, if not great one day

[DuckIII]

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Smooth...

That looks nice. More of that please.

[fleet]

Full video here:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHym2d8BfPb/?igshid=1pvqv11tydszb

Thanks a lot. Sounded like he was getting coached up. Like on that turnaround where he was told to have patience, and it seemed like he listened. That’s exactly what he needs to learn too, based on some of the bad shots he took in college.

[boozapalooza]

Has anyone identified the other players in that lifetime fitness highlight?

Dinwiddie
OG (maybe)
Anyone else?

Jimmy butler and Paul George.

Thought I saw Wendell in there? Payton Pritchard and Cedi Osman (I think?) as well.

[2018C3]

So, was this kid just naturally born with the nba logo on his head, or is it hair dye?



I can not find any photos of him without it, and once knew a kid growing up that had a natural light spot of hair all his life. Either way, I like it!

[fleet]

Nice! His handle looks a bit "basic" but his midrange looks good. I liked the way he bullied his defender then finished with a lefty layup.

Looks like a very competent SF amongst NBA vets to me.

This is the deceiving thing about college ball. His FSU tape, Williams looked like a butch Zion or Dray.

Alongside NBA players, he's got similar size and movement to Kawhi, George, Lebron, Jimmy, Brown, etc.

I like the size and speed, I just felt his handle was a bit basic. But it's hard to judge from clips like this because it's a pickup game where no one really tries hard on defense. But the video is encouraging for sure.

College is a different game for sure. some people own that game and fail in the NBA. Some people own the NBA as unearthed gems from college. I’m sure scouts identified skills he can learn, and projected him on the next level. The Bulls will prob bring him along slowly and let him do what he knows how to do and wont ask for more until he’s ready.

[cjbulls]

Kawhi was the 15th pick, clearly people didn't think he was going to be a DPOY and finals MVP either. All of your assesments of this kid are based on absolutely nothing. You didn't see his workouts, you don't know how highly other teams valued him, you're just making it up based off of what you read (probably on this board) in the days leading up to the draft.

I'm not a big fan of the pick but you're making yourself look really foolish right now.

For the last time, workouts don't mean s#$@. We have 29 games to evaluate his performance. And you can see his measurables and traits on game tape better than ever watching him workout one-on-none.

And because Kawhi succeeded doesn't add anything. Kawhi wasn't a secret type of guy the league just didn't understand. He made tremendous strides from a rookie to become what he is. There are Patrick Williams type guys every year, and they almost never work out.

It's just as pointless as drafting Xavier Tillman at #7 and then justify the reach by claiming you "may" have Draymond Green. So what?

Ok who should they have drafted?

I've already covered this.They ended up in a weird spot at 4. I would have:

1. Traded up to 2 using WCJ and taken Wiseman
2. Traded up to 3 using WCJ and taken Ball
3. Entertained any other trade that gets you Ball, Wiseman or Edwards
4. Traded Detroit for 7/16. Likely taken Hayes. I have no idea who I would have taken at 16, probably a wing (Green or Bey). Definitely would have looked into moving up into the top 12/13 for Kira/Hali (last part not exactly realistic)
5. Stay at 4 and take Hayes/Okoro/Deni/Hali/Toppin, most likely in that order

[Dresden]

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Smooth...

That looks nice. More of that please.

His ball handling looks pretty good for a 3/4. His shot looks good, too.

[fleet]

So, was this kid just naturally born with the nba logo on his head, or is it hair dye?



I can not find any photos of him without it, and once new a kid growing up that had a natural light spot of hair all his life. Either way, I kind of like it.

[Chi town]

This board is a literal pendulum. First emotional reaction is calling him a bust, then implying he's Kawhi. This was a terrible class on paper. Statistically there will be some good players who emerge, but P. Willy is in no way shape or form ready to play at the next level. He will see spot minutes in the 4th quarters of blowouts until AT LEAST after the break (besides the games Otto sits, which there should be several of). Dude is rough in many different areas and needs a ton of experience before he's NBA-ready. That being said, he has the potential to be really good, if not great one day

How do you pin? Sticky?

He will be getting Mins as a defender from day one.

[Chi town]

So, was this kid just naturally born with the nba logo on his head, or is it hair dye?



I can not find any photos of him without it, and once new a kid growing up that had a natural light spot of hair all his life. Either way, I kind of like it.

I thinks it natural. When his hair was really short he still had it.

[PaKii94]

For the last time, workouts don't mean s#$@. We have 29 games to evaluate his performance. And you can see his measurables and traits on game tape better than ever watching him workout one-on-none.

And because Kawhi succeeded doesn't add anything. Kawhi wasn't a secret type of guy the league just didn't understand. He made tremendous strides from a rookie to become what he is. There are Patrick Williams type guys every year, and they almost never work out.

It's just as pointless as drafting Xavier Tillman at #7 and then justify the reach by claiming you "may" have Draymond Green. So what?

Ok who should they have drafted?

I've already covered this.They ended up in a weird spot at 4. I would have:

1. Traded up to 2 using WCJ and taken Wiseman
2. Traded up to 3 using WCJ and taken Ball
3. Entertained any other trade that gets you Ball, Wiseman or Edwards
4. Traded Detroit for 7/16. Likely taken Hayes. I have no idea who I would have taken at 16, probably a wing (Green or Bey). Definitely would have looked into moving up into the top 12/13 for Kira/Hali (last part not exactly realistic)
5. Stay at 4 and take Hayes/Okoro/Deni/Hali/Toppin, most likely in that order

You keep putting out hypotheticals but you don't know what was happening behind the scenes. Maybe they did try to move up/down but the tradeoffs aren't worth it? Anyway it seems like they took a player they believe in. If they weren't able to trade down and still select him, I'm 100% on board with them getting their guy at #4. After draft night draft # means jacksh*t.

As far as your comments about workouts, workouts sometimes mean everything. That's how kawhi was targeted by the spurs, mitchell by the jazz, and now pwill by the bulls.

[Hold That]

Full video here:

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHym2d8BfPb/?igshid=1pvqv11tydszb

Thanks a lot. Sounded like he was getting coached up. Like on that turnaround where he was told to have patience, and it seemed like he listened. That’s exactly what he needs to learn too, based on some of the bad shots he took in college.

That’s the reason he shot up the charts. He’s coachable, humble and listens. I just hope he has hunger to get better.. I think the skepticism about this pick will be good for him. If he folds from people already deeming him a bust then we don’t need him. If he wants to be great he’s going to use the skepticism as fuel to prove people wrong.

As each day passes and more info is given about him the selection is starting to grow on me. But I wasn’t excited about anyone after the top 3, so he could very well prove he was worthy of going 4.

Side note*
People need to stop acting like the Hornets and Warriors value WCJ enough for them to want to trade down. Wendell has played 2 seasons now, going into year 3 and it’s not looking promising so far.

Just like some of you would give away WCJ and 4 so quickly to take Ball Wiseman or Edwards, so would the Hornets and Warriors which is why they rejected the trade. Stop acting like the Bulls didn’t do something th at was available. No team wanted to trade down, it was clear the Bulls were trying for over a month to trade up. Hornets and Warriors were likely trying to get a team to over pay, which they should because we all know picks 4-13 basically had the same value because the draft was so weak.

[fleet]

For the last time, workouts don't mean s#$@. We have 29 games to evaluate his performance. And you can see his measurables and traits on game tape better than ever watching him workout one-on-none.

And because Kawhi succeeded doesn't add anything. Kawhi wasn't a secret type of guy the league just didn't understand. He made tremendous strides from a rookie to become what he is. There are Patrick Williams type guys every year, and they almost never work out.

It's just as pointless as drafting Xavier Tillman at #7 and then justify the reach by claiming you "may" have Draymond Green. So what?

Ok who should they have drafted?

3. Entertained any other trade that gets you Ball, Wiseman or Edwards

Edwards’ defensive rating last year was 103.6 while Williams’ was an impressive 94.1 — almost a 10-point difference. That’s incredible.

Actually, let’s look at the other side of the ball, shall we?


Looking at their offensive rating (points score or points attributed to per 100 possessions), Edwards sits at 105.8 last year. Williams’ offensive rating came in at 106.9.

Very interesting, isn’t it? Between every little thing Williams does, he graded out as a better player on offense and defense

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dawindycity.com/2020/11/18/chicago-bulls-draft-patrick-williams-smart/amp/

[bchan]

Here is a more complete pre-draft workout and runs of Patrick Williams that was posted recently. He definitely looks a bit improved from his FSU vids. Note he is also scrimmaging with some NBA players.

Watch on YouTube

[JohnnyKILLroy]

Ok who should they have drafted?

3. Entertained any other trade that gets you Ball, Wiseman or Edwards

Edwards’ defensive rating last year was 103.6 while Williams’ was an impressive 94.1 — almost a 10-point difference. That’s incredible.

Actually, let’s look at the other side of the ball, shall we?


Looking at their offensive rating (points score or points attributed to per 100 possessions), Edwards sits at 105.8 last year. Williams’ offensive rating came in at 106.9.

Very interesting, isn’t it? Between every little thing Williams does, he graded out as a better player on offense and defense

https://www.google.com/amp/s/dawindycity.com/2020/11/18/chicago-bulls-draft-patrick-williams-smart/amp/

DUDE!!!! IT WAS A 1 PLAYER DRAFT AND WE GOT HIM!!!!

P-DUB!!!! FTW!!!

[2018C3]

I was very high on Wiseman, and would have been happy to trade up for him.

The potential trade reported obviously did not work out. Other than Wiseman I was not very opinionated on any other prospect. If we did trade, and move up. I would have not been happy with any other prospect, especially if we had to give up a previous pick like Carter just to move up a few spots.

Since we stood pat, I'm ok with what we got. The only top pic at 4 that would have made me sad is Deni. I wish Deni the best of luck, and have nothing against him. I just did not see him as having a high ceiling, but he probably does have a higher floor than some of the others. I think Washington got him at a good spot.

Overall I'm happy with the guy the Bulls got, even though I probably would have selected Okoro myself.

Patrick Williams seems like a good kid, and after the draft I watched some of his interviews, and like the way he handles himself. You can tell he is just a young guy as he is still a bit a shy. But when you see him playing on videos, his body already looks like a mature NBA ready player. I think this is a solid pick.

Another thing I like, his college coach said Patrick is the first high level recruit that ever came into his office and said I want you to teach me how to play defense.

He looks the part, and it's also a good thing that he already knows Coby. For someone like Patrick, its got to be neat going into a new situation, where you already know one of your teammates.

Coby will be able to help offer first hand rookie advice to both Patrick, and Dotson. Both guys he already knows. The earlier Dotson / Coby rivalry will push both guys to be better.

[kulaz3000]

Here is a more complete pre-draft workout and runs of Patrick Williams that was posted recently. He definitely looks a bit improved from his FSU vids. Note he is also scrimmaging with some NBA players.

Watch on YouTube

Great find.

His handles are coming along.

Also his shot mechanics looks really smooth.