Shams: Wall wants to be traded

Post #1 » by **Rafael122** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:34 am

Welp

Meliorus · Post #2 » by **Meliorus** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:37 am

Did the trade talk leak hurt Wall's feelings? That was legitimately the first time in his career he was in trade talks. Either way, it breaks my heart, bad contract, and all. Would've liked to see him run it back and finish his career here.

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NatP4 · Post #3 » by **NatP4** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:39 am

Bad contract, not very good player, coming off devastating injury, bad video comes out, it’s time to move on, it’s the right move.

And still, this is extremely disheartening. Wall is the reason I am a wizards fan. What a terrible ending.

keynote · Post #4 » by **keynote** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:40 am

Shep has to smooth things over ASAP and keep Wall here. Not because I necessarily want to keep Wall (although that would be nice), but because I don't want to part with the young talent and/or pick we'd have to give up to move him.

Dark Faze · Post #5 » by **Dark Faze** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:42 am

The question now is what came first, the chicken or the egg?

Did Wall always want out leading to the Westbrook inquiries, or is this John's reaction to those rumors?

The difference is important because I'd argue this entire draft and even these free agent signings might have been handled differently with the knowledge that John wanted out.

TGW · Post #6 » by **TGW** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:43 am

LOL ok John. Good luck with that boss.

Gig18 · Post #7 » by **Gig18** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:44 am

Geez.

WallStar · Post #8 » by **WallStar** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:45 am

And this is the difference between a primadonna (Wall) and a mature human being (Beal). Both their names have been circulating. One demands a trade, the other took it as a sign of respect. No wonder teams want Beal.

Wizardspride · Post #9 » by **Wizardspride** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:46 am

Dark Faze wrote:The question now is what came first, the chicken or the egg?

Did Wall always want out leading to the Westbrook inquiries, or is this John's reaction to those rumors?

The difference is important because I'd argue this entire draft and even these free agent signings might have been handled differently with the knowledge that John wanted out.

I believe it was the trade rumors plus Tommy mentioning whenever he can that we're building around Brad....

NatP4 · Post #10 » by **NatP4** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:47 am

Well it’s not the same. Wall was bad before a devastating Achilles injury and is 3 years older than Beal and is throwing up gang signs while hammered in videos.

Wizardspride · Post #11 » by **Wizardspride** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:49 am

WallStar wrote:And this is the difference between a primadonna (Wall) and a mature human being (Beal). Both their names have been circulating. One demands a trade, the other took it as a sign of respect. No wonder teams want Beal.

Nope. There's a difference.

It seems like Washington was engaged in trade talks about Wall.

Seems like Beal just had teams inquiring.

WallStar · Post #12 » by **WallStar** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:53 am

Wizardspride wrote:
WallStar wrote:And this is the difference between a primadonna (Wall) and a mature human being (Beal). Both their names have been circulating. One demands a trade, the other took it as a sign of respect. No wonder teams want Beal.

Nope. There's a difference.

It seems like Washington was engaged in trade talks about Wall.

Seems like Beal just had teams inquiring.

I'm certain Beal would still have the same reaction. This is a business. Wall takes things too personally. He has always been immature but this just brings it all to light.

Dark Faze · Post #13 » by **Dark Faze** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:54 am

Regardless of who's fault it is or isn't, I don't see how Brad doesn't look to follow him out of the door.

Ed Wood · Post #14 » by **Ed Wood** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:54 am

I'm not offended that he's offended, and I do want the organization to be professional and communicate with players. That said, the old guard (Pollin/Grunfeld) seemed to prefer loyalty to functional organizational effectiveness. I don't mind that the new look FO may not.

Wizardspride · Post #15 » by **Wizardspride** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:55 am

WallStar wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:
WallStar wrote:And this is the difference between a primadonna (Wall) and a mature human being (Beal). Both their names have been circulating. One demands a trade, the other took it as a sign of respect. No wonder teams want Beal.

Nope. There's a difference.

It seems like Washington was engaged in trade talks about Wall.

Seems like Beal just had teams inquiring.

I'm certain Beal would still have the same reaction. This is a business. Wall takes things too personally. He has always been immature but this just brings it all to light.

I think you'd be surprised how Brad would react...

Meliorus · Post #16 » by **Meliorus** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:58 am

Now there is a chance that Wall will be attached to an asset to be moved. Maybe a 1st + Wall for Westbrook is realistic now. Anything to keep Beal satisfied. Teams have done a lot of stupid and uncharacteristic stuff to appease a star (Harden asking for Westbrook). Mortgaging futures is unavoidable at times. Let's hope Tommy can remedy the situation so we don't have to give up something to move off Wall.

Dark Faze · Post #17 » by **Dark Faze** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:59 am

Meliorus wrote:Now there is a chance that Wall will be attached to an asset to be moved. Maybe a 1st + Wall for Westbrook is realistic now. Anything to keep Beal satisfied. Teams have done a lot of stupid and uncharacteristic stuff to appease a star (Harden asking for Westbrook). Mortgaging futures is unavoidable at times. Let's hope Tommy can remedy the situation so we don't have to give up something to move off Wall.

Well the key is to communicate and actually get Beal's blessing prior to doing this, and not just doing it and praying it keeps him around.

Jimmy Recard · Post #18 » by **Jimmy Recard** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:59 am

Meliorus wrote:Did the trade talk leak hurt Wall's feelings? That was legitimately the first time in his career he was in trade talks. Either way, it breaks my heart, bad contract, and all. Would've liked to see him run it back and finish his career here.

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That’s exactly what happened. That and Tommy saying last week that we’re building around Beal apparently didn’t sit well with him.

Get a grip John. It’s a business and you haven’t played in 2 years.

payitforward · Post #19 » by **payitforward** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:01 am

None of this is on John Wall. Not in any way. It's 100% on Tommy Sheppard.

It's his JOB to make sure that we don't get 50 cents on the dollar if we trade Wall. It's his JOB to make sure he doesn't come off as having soured on someone whom he then has to trade.

Worse yet, if the only guy we can trade for is Westbrook, & we have to give something along with Wall... you can count this team out for the next 5 years.

So much for "building around Bradley Beal" -- it'd make more sense to say we are tearing it down around Brad.

FAH1223 · Post #20 » by **FAH1223** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:02 am

There should be no rush in trading him now.

I’d force him to play for the first quarter of the season to showcase his value.