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Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles

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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1641 » by Parliament10 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:35 am

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I compared Tatum to Harden. Thats not really an insult. I said he has superb talent. I think he lacks the competitiveness to be the centerpiece of a *championship* team. If the goal is to be a good playoff team every year, than Tatum is your man. Just like Harden and Westbrook.

Hmmm.
You know that Tatum is only 22. These guys are in the 30's.
To me, I can't see how you predict what a 22 year old, is gonna do, or gonna be.

In comparison. No of these guys won a Championship at age 22.:
MJ, Kobe, Lebron. Neither did Harden or Westbrook.

BUT, all of them that did win it = didn't do it by themselves.
It's a Team sport.

MJ, Kobe, Lebron, all took over. But, they all had high quality players right next to them.
Agreed?


I realize in this day and age everyone has to quantify everything with hard evidence, but im still an old primal neanderthal over here using these crusty old human instincts of mine. I look at things like body language, facial expressions, tone, etc...and I form opinions. Those instincts tell me that a guy like Smart is a phenomenal competitor. Same with Kobe, LeBron and Luka. I throw Luka in there to say that you can see a guys competitiveness at any age, regardless if he's won a championship or not.

Tatum is not even in the same stratosphere of competitiveness as those guys. Again...really good player like a lot of really good players in the league.

Simple question, would trade Tatum for Luka straight up? Why?

I see what you're saying. I don't necessarily agree with you, though.
Tatum is too young, IMO, to make those negative assessments.

Players improve themselves every year. At least the really good ones.

Luka started playing professionally at age 14.
No, I wouldn't make that Trade. Because, I think that Tatum is the face of this team, for the foreseeable future.

But, I see more your point. It's a gut feeling with you.
We'll see. But I think, when it's all said and done, that Tatum will have won several Championships.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1642 » by DoubleHappiness » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:36 am

ConstableGeneva wrote: Didn't need to cut Semi after all.


This has been his entire career path imo.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1643 » by fallguy » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:37 am

One of the things I hate about Kawhi is his neutral facial expressions and non-demonstrative body language. It's how I can tell he's not competitive enough to win a title.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1644 » by ConstableGeneva » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:37 am

jeremym480 wrote:Surely, Pritchard can't flip Turner to New Orleans, then trade McDemott and Lamb with picks to team(s) with cap space, and sign Hayward outright, right?

That guy has snaked us once before and I don't trust him.

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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1645 » by Jaqua92 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:38 am

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Danny will hopefully make a trade. Losing Gordon for nothing is an all time blunder for him. Won't believe it.

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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1647 » by Jaqua92 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:39 am

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The f’ing Knicks better not mess this up...would have to be 60/2 or 3/90 for him to go there. He desperately wants indy
It's about money. If he does a sign and trade with knicks, and they send him to Indy, that's what he wants.



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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1648 » by Jammer » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:40 am

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But McDermott's salary is too much when there is a chance to stay under the tax line.

Actually we're good. Turner + McDermott + Ojeleye + Waters:


34.379100 - Walker
23.883928 - Brown
18.000000 - Turner
13.446428 - Smart
9.897120 - Tatum
7.333333 - McDermott
5.000000 - Theis
3.631200 - Langford
3.458400 - Nesmith
2.498760 - G.Williams
2.029920 - R.Williams
2.035800 - Pritchard
1.752950 - Ojeleye
1.517981 - Edwards
1.445697 - Waters

1.039080 - Yabusele
0.092857 - Jackson

131.442554 - Total
-22.302554 - Capspace
1.184446 - Taxspace


No using the MLE obviously, without further moves.


Re-posting this because I Just checked on Brown's incentives. It's not for All-Star or All-Defensive.

It's 2 Million allocated among:
Any All-NBA Team (could be 3rd Team)
Defensive Player of the Year
MVP

The most likely from a risk point of view is 3rd Team All-NBA, especially if Hayward departs.

He already has incentives that are considered likely, and part of his salary, for playing in 65 games, the team winning 49 games, or making the 2nd round of the playoffs.

So, those incentives are not considered part of his salary now, for cap or trade purposes, but could be at the end of the year if he were to make 3rd Team All NBA. There is a risk if he has a breakout year if they are against the tax line.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1649 » by Parliament10 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:40 am

jumblin wrote:
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Parliament10 wrote:Well. You have to explain yourself a little more, than you have been doing.
I mean, you can't just come on the Celtics Forum, and say that their best player is essentially not "the guy".

...especially when even non-Celtic-friendly people in the media can't stop saying how good Tatum is.


Since you love to pick on me ill spell it out for you: Tatum is a great player. Like Harden. And like Harden, he's not a great winner. The media loves Harden too.

Tatum is too young, to say that.
And anyway, Tatum, Brown and Smart are the base of this team. Not Tatum alone.

No one is really picking on you. You have just come up with a really off-the-wall opinion.
Again, this is the Celtics Forum. -- How did you think that members would respond, to that opinion.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1650 » by fallguy » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:41 am

The Haywards are the least NY people in the whole league.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1651 » by GoCeltics123 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:41 am

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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1652 » by SMTBSI » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:42 am

Jammer wrote:Re-posting this because I Just checked on Brown's incentives. It's not for All-Star or All-Defensive.

It's 2 Million allocated among:
Any All-NBA Team (could be 3rd Team)
Defensive Player of the Year
MVP

The most likely from a risk point of view is 3rd Team All-NBA, especially if Hayward departs.

He already has incentives that are considered likely, and part of his salary, for playing in 65 games, the team winning 49 games, or making the 2nd round of the playoffs.

So, those incentives are not considered part of his salary now, for cap or trade purposes, but could be at the end of the year if he were to make 3rd Team All NBA. There is a risk if he has a breakout year if they are against the tax line.

Definitely sounds like all-nba is the one to look at. Can you tell what percentage of the $2mil is allocated there?
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1653 » by SMTBSI » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:44 am

DoubleHappiness wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote: Didn't need to cut Semi after all.

This has been his entire career path imo.

I mean, in hindsight it's probably not a coincidence that his contract tracks just a couple 100k over the vet min value for each year.

Gets him a few more bucks than just the min, while putting him in that "might as well just keep him since you wouldn't save much by cutting him" status.

Basically it's set up so that you actually have to have a personnel reason to cut him, not a financial one.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1654 » by Celtic Esquire » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:45 am

Jaqua92 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:
GoCeltics123 wrote:
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So essentially...

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Christ.

Danny will hopefully make a trade. Losing Gordon for nothing is an all time blunder for him. Won't believe it.

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At this point I don’t care.

**** or get off the pot and it seems like that he cannot make a decision without playing out ten scenarios in his head.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1655 » by jumblin » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:46 am

Parliament10 wrote:
jumblin wrote:
SuperDeluxe wrote:...especially when even non-Celtic-friendly people in the media can't stop saying how good Tatum is.


Since you love to pick on me ill spell it out for you: Tatum is a great player. Like Harden. And like Harden, he's not a great winner. The media loves Harden too.

Tatum is too young, to say that.
And anyway, Tatum, Brown and Smart are the base of this team. Not Tatum alone.

No one is really picking on you. You have just come up with a really off-the-wall opinion.
Again, this is the Celtics Forum. -- How did you think that members would respond, to that opinion.


I had heard of the concept of 'green teamers', I guess I just thought that was a myth though. Seems that blind fandom and jock strap toting adoration is a real thing among many of the posters here. I consider myself a loyal Boston sports fan, but not a blind one who cannot acknowledge flaws with the players or teams I root for. I'm learning thats a minority mindset around here. I give you credit for being open enough to actually hear an idea that isn't just more Celtics worship.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1656 » by Parliament10 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:47 am

SMTBSI wrote:
Jammer wrote:Re-posting this because I Just checked on Brown's incentives. It's not for All-Star or All-Defensive.

It's 2 Million allocated among:
Any All-NBA Team (could be 3rd Team)
Defensive Player of the Year
MVP

The most likely from a risk point of view is 3rd Team All-NBA, especially if Hayward departs.

He already has incentives that are considered likely, and part of his salary, for playing in 65 games, the team winning 49 games, or making the 2nd round of the playoffs.

So, those incentives are not considered part of his salary now, for cap or trade purposes, but could be at the end of the year if he were to make 3rd Team All NBA. There is a risk if he has a breakout year if they are against the tax line.

Definitely sounds like all-nba is the one to look at. Can you tell what percentage of the $2mil is allocated there?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/jaylen-brown-20208/
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1657 » by K For Three » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:47 am

If would be really 2020 for Hayward to end up a Knick while Kyrie is a Net.
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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1658 » by SMTBSI » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:48 am

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The f’ing Knicks better not mess this up...would have to be 60/2 or 3/90 for him to go there. He desperately wants indy

It's about money. If he does a sign and trade with knicks, and they send him to Indy, that's what he wants.

Not sure 3/90 even gets him for NYK unless he actually very much doesn't want to be here.

As Constable says, we can go 4/110 pretty easy and still dodge the tax this year.
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Post#1659 » by Bill Lumbergh » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:49 am

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Re: Trade Thread #6: I Wood Walk 500 Myles 

Post#1660 » by SMTBSI » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:51 am

Parliament10 wrote:
SMTBSI wrote:
Jammer wrote:Re-posting this because I Just checked on Brown's incentives. It's not for All-Star or All-Defensive.

It's 2 Million allocated among:
Any All-NBA Team (could be 3rd Team)
Defensive Player of the Year
MVP

The most likely from a risk point of view is 3rd Team All-NBA, especially if Hayward departs.

He already has incentives that are considered likely, and part of his salary, for playing in 65 games, the team winning 49 games, or making the 2nd round of the playoffs.

So, those incentives are not considered part of his salary now, for cap or trade purposes, but could be at the end of the year if he were to make 3rd Team All NBA. There is a risk if he has a breakout year if they are against the tax line.

Definitely sounds like all-nba is the one to look at. Can you tell what percentage of the $2mil is allocated there?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/jaylen-brown-20208/
Contract Notes:
$4 million likely incentives (plays 65 or more games, team wins 49 or more games and reaches second round of playoffs)
$8 million unlikely incentives (MVP, DPOY or one of three All-NBA Teams) (@ChrisHaynes)

Gotcha, so full $2mil for any of the standards. (Presuming the $8mil is divided by four years of the contract?)

Honestly bet he doesn't make all-nba, but it's definitely not out-of-play.

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