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Post#1781 » by BBALLER4FR » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:41 am

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Randle would obviously be traded as salary filler in a Westbrook deal.

I really feel like they have a trade lined up with Houston for Brodie, just like they did with OKC for CP3...but the price was just too much. They would rather have CP3, especially with one less year on it, but they moved on to Russ who would cost them less.

It don’t make sense to bring Brodie here by himself. And Hayward is honestly one of the best swings on the market and fills many needs and has many connections in our new organization.

I can’t see them trying to sign Hayward only to pair him with VanVleet.

And it definitely seems we’re making our push...


Absolutely frightening we put this much effort into Hayward. He' opted out in Boston. He said his preferred spot is Indy. Indy (allegedly offered Turner) and got nowhere. We are being played. Why wouldn't Boston take that deal? Hayward is decent but why are we investing so much time in this with lower years if he wants Indy? How can we possibly think Haymard would be good for RJ's development? Is Hayward gonna accept a Korver role? For that coin? If we come away with this dude, Leon got taken.
he doesn’t have to be in the more room roll to be good for RJs development. And honestly if RJ can’t play with other talented ball handlers he’s not gunna be worth investing in. He should get familiar with now


The point is RJ (in college and as a rookie) needs the ball to be in his hand to be effective. Off ball is not his thing. He's not a shooter and he's not a slasher. Same for Hayward, though Hayward is better at this stage. Add Obi, and this Westbrook talk. How in the world is RJ going to fit? He was supposed to be the cornerstone and we are building him out of town.
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Post#1782 » by aggo » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:43 am

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Absolutely frightening we put this much effort into Hayward. He' opted out in Boston. He said his preferred spot is Indy. Indy (allegedly offered Turner) and got nowhere. We are being played. Why wouldn't Boston take that deal? Hayward is decent but why are we investing so much time in this with lower years if he wants Indy? How can we possibly think Haymard would be good for RJ's development? Is Hayward gonna accept a Korver role? For that coin? If we come away with this dude, Leon got taken.
he doesn’t have to be in the more room roll to be good for RJs development. And honestly if RJ can’t play with other talented ball handlers he’s not gunna be worth investing in. He should get familiar with now


The point is RJ (in college and as a rookie) needs the ball to be in his hand to be effective. Off ball is not his thing. He's not a shooter and he's not a slasher. Same for Hayward, though Hayward is better at this stage. Add Obi, and this Westbrook talk. How in the world is RJ going to fit? He was supposed to be the cornerstone and we are building him out of town.


real talk:

none of this matters because if RJ doesnt develop the ability to be an avg shooter he's not worth developing around anyway.
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Post#1783 » by moocow007 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:43 am

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Absolutely frightening we put this much effort into Hayward. He' opted out in Boston. He said his preferred spot is Indy. Indy (allegedly offered Turner) and got nowhere. We are being played. Why wouldn't Boston take that deal? Hayward is decent but why are we investing so much time in this with lower years if he wants Indy? How can we possibly think Haymard would be good for RJ's development? Is Hayward gonna accept a Korver role? For that coin? If we come away with this dude, Leon got taken.
he doesn’t have to be in the more room roll to be good for RJs development. And honestly if RJ can’t play with other talented ball handlers he’s not gunna be worth investing in. He should get familiar with now


The point is RJ (in college and as a rookie) needs the ball to be in his hand to be effective. Off ball is not his thing. He's not a shooter and he's not a slasher. Same for Hayward, though Hayward is better at this stage. Add Obi, and this Westbrook talk. How in the world is RJ going to fit? He was supposed to be the cornerstone and we are building him out of town.
To be quite honest, no one in this Knicks regime has really come out and said RJ is our franchise cornerstone

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Post#1784 » by Zenzibar » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:45 am

Jerami Grant made no sense leaving the Nuggest. The only reason he got shine was because they're winning in Denver and were being showcased. He may have to play in obscurity now for a couple of years.
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Post#1785 » by BBALLER4FR » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:47 am

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NYKnickerbocker wrote:he doesn’t have to be in the more room roll to be good for RJs development. And honestly if RJ can’t play with other talented ball handlers he’s not gunna be worth investing in. He should get familiar with now


The point is RJ (in college and as a rookie) needs the ball to be in his hand to be effective. Off ball is not his thing. He's not a shooter and he's not a slasher. Same for Hayward, though Hayward is better at this stage. Add Obi, and this Westbrook talk. How in the world is RJ going to fit? He was supposed to be the cornerstone and we are building him out of town.
To be quite honest, no one in this Knicks regime has really come out and said RJ is our franchise cornerstone

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I believe there was a statement that all moves made going forward would have RJ in mind.
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Post#1786 » by moocow007 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:47 am

Zenzibar wrote:Jerami Grant made no sense leaving the Nuggest. The only reason he got shine was because they're winning in Denver and were being showcased. He may have to play in obscurity now for a couple of years.
He got paid is what he got. But yeah don't disagree.

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Post#1787 » by NYKnickerbocker » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:49 am

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Absolutely frightening we put this much effort into Hayward. He' opted out in Boston. He said his preferred spot is Indy. Indy (allegedly offered Turner) and got nowhere. We are being played. Why wouldn't Boston take that deal? Hayward is decent but why are we investing so much time in this with lower years if he wants Indy? How can we possibly think Haymard would be good for RJ's development? Is Hayward gonna accept a Korver role? For that coin? If we come away with this dude, Leon got taken.
he doesn’t have to be in the more room roll to be good for RJs development. And honestly if RJ can’t play with other talented ball handlers he’s not gunna be worth investing in. He should get familiar with now


The point is RJ (in college and as a rookie) needs the ball to be in his hand to be effective. Off ball is not his thing. He's not a shooter and he's not a slasher. Same for Hayward, though Hayward is better at this stage. Add Obi, and this Westbrook talk. How in the world is RJ going to fit? He was supposed to be the cornerstone and we are building him out of town.

I don’t think a playmaking wing like Hayward would infringe on RJs development. Now a ball dominant guy like the Broadie would. Hayward is pretty much a make the right play kinda guy. He would definitely help
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Post#1788 » by moocow007 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:50 am

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The point is RJ (in college and as a rookie) needs the ball to be in his hand to be effective. Off ball is not his thing. He's not a shooter and he's not a slasher. Same for Hayward, though Hayward is better at this stage. Add Obi, and this Westbrook talk. How in the world is RJ going to fit? He was supposed to be the cornerstone and we are building him out of town.
To be quite honest, no one in this Knicks regime has really come out and said RJ is our franchise cornerstone

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I believe there was a statement that all moves made going forward would have RJ in mind.
But that doesn't mean he's the franchise.

He's been in the league one year. His one year wasn't as smooth as we hoped. He was drafted by the last regime. He is valuable to the team but thats not hard considering the Knicks, prior to Toppin had only 2 guys that likely will be around beyond the upcoming season. Its all relative.

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Post#1789 » by GONYK » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:50 am

Hayward is a pretty good compliment to all of our young guys. RJ isn't a primary playmaker and certainly isn't a shooter. Hayward takes a lot of pressure off of RJ and opens up the interior for him.
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Post#1790 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:51 am

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GONYK wrote:Aller has the same toys as Hollinger. He knows the true value here.


For the most part is probably tough to compute in a vacuum since every team and situation is different. I just dont like that 4/$100 number. At least it sounds like the Knicks are off less years


no one else is coming.


and he's still in his prime


Nobody else is coming which is another reason to pass. Hayward isnt good enough to make a difference and its too much money for that. Better off bottoming out then winning a few more games
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Post#1791 » by GONYK » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:53 am

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For the most part is probably tough to compute in a vacuum since every team and situation is different. I just dont like that 4/$100 number. At least it sounds like the Knicks are off less years


no one else is coming.


and he's still in his prime


Nobody else is coming which is another reason to pass. Hayward isnt good enough to make a difference and its too much money for that. Better off bottoming out then winning a few more games


Yea, Hayward is good, but he's not "overextend yourself financially for him over a lot of years" good.
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Post#1792 » by Capn'O » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:54 am

Tron Carter wrote:I would’ve gave that to holiday no question.


Instead of Hardaway? No question.
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Post#1793 » by dakomish23 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:55 am

Seeing these numbers I’m relieved we didn’t pay this much but am scared what might be coming
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor


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Post#1794 » by robillionaire » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:56 am

well the good news is that the joakim noah stretch waive really isn't a factor in the 2nd of the 3rd free agencies that he's still going to be on the books since nobody is coming anyway
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Post#1795 » by Zenzibar » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:57 am

Yoo, the Pistons fked up all their numbers regarding cap space. lol.

Appears they signed players before creating space, for real?
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Post#1796 » by Capn'O » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:57 am

El Poochio wrote:The Hoffa Tactic of Knicks making everyone empty their pockets in pandemic era gonna net them a superteam in 5 years imo


I can't believe we're literally doing it. If we end up with Willy back for 22 mil per though I'mma be pissed.
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Post#1797 » by BBALLER4FR » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:57 am

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I believe there was a statement that all moves made going forward would have RJ in mind.
But that doesn't mean he's the franchise.

He's been in the league one year. His one year wasn't as smooth as we hoped. He was drafted by the last regime. He is valuable to the team but thats not hard considering the Knicks, prior to Toppin had only 2 guys that likely will be around beyond the upcoming season. Its all relative.

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I feel like you gotta trade him if you plan on bringing Hayward. If the expectation is for RJ to make a jump in his game, you don't hunt out a better version of him to play side by side and expect growth. A Hayward signing would signal an RJ trade IMO.
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Post#1798 » by DaGawd » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:58 am

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how many 1st rounders you think they give?

I’m thinking 2 at least..
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Post#1799 » by NYKnickerbocker » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:00 am

Thunder bout to get more picks
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Post#1800 » by Jose7 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:01 am

only primary FA left that makes sense is FVV...other than that.. the rest of these dude can kick rocks...or take a 1+1..

boucher, augustin, forbes, bembry...

You want to help the young guys? I would be trying to acquire Kyle anderson type of player.
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