The Lebron Thread | 2021 & Offseason

[Jordan Syndrome]

So could have the clippers offered that 64 mil to gallo?

Morris contract is horrid. They’re blowing it.

No, Gallo wanted 3/61 not 4/64 plus I think LAC used bird rights to resign Morris over the cap.

He might have taken less on a contender though. But was asking if it was possible or not

Not possible.

I'm quite sure Gallo wanted a large offensive role with his final big payday which is why he went to Atlanta.

[dreamshake]

Has there been news on where Bogdan is going or did I miss it?

He's supposedly signing an offer sheet with Atlanta. Haven't seen it from Woj, Shams, etc. but a few sources have reported it.

[KTM_2813]

I’m guessing that the strategy around Harrell is: The Lakers realized guys like Gallo and Serge were way outside their price range, they need to make sure LeBron and Davis survive the regular season, and if Harrell can recapture his form from last year, his trade value becomes high. I’m hoping this is a 3D chess move from Rob. At the same time, there’s a chance this doesn’t work out at all.

[Dupp]

No, Gallo wanted 3/61 not 4/64 plus I think LAC used bird rights to resign Morris over the cap.

He might have taken less on a contender though. But was asking if it was possible or not

Not possible.

I'm quite sure Gallo wanted a large offensive role with his final big payday which is why he went to Atlanta.

He also said he was looking for a title not money. Obviously that was a lie and you’re right. But I dunno a 64/4 offer from a contender might have been tempting.


Don’t see him not having a large role for the clippers though. Not here nor there now though.

[Dupp]

Has there been news on where Bogdan is going or did I miss it?

He's supposedly signing an offer sheet with Atlanta. Haven't seen it from Woj, Shams, etc. but a few sources have reported it.

Wait they got gallo and brogdon?

Holly shooting on that team

[dreamshake]

Has there been news on where Bogdan is going or did I miss it?

He's supposedly signing an offer sheet with Atlanta. Haven't seen it from Woj, Shams, etc. but a few sources have reported it.

Wait they got gallo and brogdon?

Holly shooting on that team

That defense tho . . . gonna be some wild scores in those games.

[dcstanley]

Schroeder and Trez PNR is going to feast in the regular season against second units. Lakers could get a top 3 seed without Lebron having to exert too much effort. Doesn't move the needle at the highest levels but should allow Lebron to conserve energy after a quick turnaround.

[Greyhound]

The anger in here is over the top.

One bad playoff run (while being out of shape and losing a close relative) is indicative of very little.

He is better then he showed. The Lakers got an impact player for ho, hum scrubino money.

The defense will be worse but the offense/ bench will be vicious.

[nzahir]

Could have had Justin Holiday and Dwight...

[dreamshake]

The Dwight thing still doesn't make sense to me. Surely Pelinka told him he would still get the minutes if he'd re-sign right? Like I would've called and said "Yo Dwight, you're our starting C. Trez comes off the bench and JaVale is the one who will lose out on minutes." Unless maybe they still expect to get Gasol or Thompson on a minimum? I don't love Trez & McGee as the only bigs to go with AD.

EDIT: Or maybe it played out like Dwight thought he was getting part of the MLE, then Pelinka found out at the last minute that Trez would come for full MLE so Dwight left just b/c he was pissed he didn't get rewarded for helping win the title.

[Heej]

Could have had Justin Holiday and Dwight...

Would much rather have done this and gotten a movement shooter on the wing. And part of my severe reaction to this is I just think Harrell is a straight douche. I've seen him in private runs on YouTube (JLawBBall babyyyyyy) where he's the only NBA player on the court playing with like college dudes and stuff, and this dude will just be talking down to them and mean mugging people that are way beneath him talent-wise. Like damn bro, can you act like you've been there before and not like a piece of s***?

[nzahir]

The Dwight thing still doesn't make sense to me. Surely Pelinka told him he would still get the minutes if he'd re-sign right? Like I would've called and said "Yo Dwight, you're our starting C. Trez comes off the bench and JaVale is the one who will lose out on minutes." Unless maybe they still expect to get Gasol or Thompson on a minimum? I don't love Trez & McGee as the only bigs to go with AD.

EDIT: Or maybe it played out like Dwight thought he was getting part of the MLE, then Pelinka found out at the last minute that Trez would come for full MLE so Dwight left just b/c he was pissed he didn't get rewarded for helping win the title.

No because the Dwight deal was for a bit over 3m, which was his salary plus the 1.25x I believe

I don't get this at all

Dwight could have started and Trez off the bench..

[MyUniBroDavis]

Overall, its not great and hes exploitable in the playoffs in some ways.

The problem isnt neccessarily that he cant guard bigs but hes not great at guarding the perimeter OR the interior, like a slow strong wing type defensively, which means hes really targettable either way.

The fit with AD helps him but it doesnt help AD, and thats a problem imo.

Otoh, schroder and wesley matthews are better than playoff rondo and green, even with how good rondo was in the playoffs

Harrell i feel isnt a good fit with lebron in general though, their pick and roll game is kinda funky

[nzahir]

Overall, its not great and hes exploitable in the playoffs in some ways.

The problem isnt neccessarily that he cant guard bigs but hes not great at guarding the perimeter OR the interior, like a slow strong wing type defensively, which means hes really targettable either way.

The fit with AD helps him but it doesnt help AD, and thats a problem imo.

Otoh, schroder and wesley matthews are better than playoff rondo and green, even with how good rondo was in the playoffs

Harrell i feel isnt a good fit with lebron in general though, their pick and roll game is kinda funky

Man I feel pretty deflated after such a good start with Schroeder and Wes

Got to see how this plays out, but I much rather have had Holiday and Dwight and given the rest of the cash to KCP

If we wanted a change at the C spot, need it to be a big who can shoot it

If we can get Marc, this helps a bit I guess

[dcstanley]

Gasol looked wash last year but he's the type of center I've always wanted to play with Bron. If he has anything left in the tank I see him providing more value than Dwight. Really hope they get him.

[dreamshake]

So while I've seen plenty of games with Montrezl over the years, I can't say I've ever really focused in on him. Been watching some game highlights (yes highlights are a terrible way to judge a game, but just trying to get a clearer picture of where/how he scores, general patterns, etc.). I'll dig into stats later but like to do some initial eye test stuff first. Some initial thoughts:

-FLOATERS! He gets a lot more buckets than I remember with floaters and seems to have pretty good touch around the basket.

-He looks a bit clumsy receiving passes sometimes - kinda like Tristan Thompson hands, but not that bad. Somehow it seems to work out ok. It's actually kind of amazing the number of passes that look like he's gonna turn it over but then corrals it and swishes a floater.

-I don't see a ton of traditional pick & roll action, more ISO, garbage collection etc. but one thing I've seen is sort of a delayed P&R, where someone (often Lou or Kawhi) takes a handoff from Trez and looks to ISO, then Trez waits a bit before rolling so it's more like a wing making a basket cut. Interesting. When he does run traditional P&R, he's pretty dynamic. Maybe he could be one of those dudes that looks way better with LeBron (JJ Hickson?)

-Dude is strong and finishes thru contact. If you can't shoot 3's, and-1's are another way to get efficiency up. Without looking at the stats, I'd think he gets a decent number of them.

Curious to know anyone else's thoughts on his game.

[MyUniBroDavis]

So while I've seen plenty of games with Montrezl over the years, I can't say I've ever really focused in on him. Been watching some game highlights (yes highlights are a terrible way to judge a game, but just trying to get a clearer picture of where/how he scores, general patterns, etc.). I'll dig into stats later but like to do some initial eye test stuff first. Some initial thoughts:

-FLOATERS! He gets a lot more buckets than I remember with floaters and seems to have pretty good touch around the basket.

-He looks a bit clumsy receiving passes sometimes - kinda like Tristan Thompson hands, but not that bad. Somehow it seems to work out ok. It's actually kind of amazing the number of passes that look like he's gonna turn it over but then corrals it and swishes a floater.

-I don't see a ton of traditional pick & roll action, more ISO, garbage collection etc. but one thing I've seen is sort of a delayed P&R, where someone (often Lou or Kawhi) takes a handoff from Trez and looks to ISO, then Trez waits a bit before rolling so it's more like a wing making a basket cut. Interesting. When he does run traditional P&R, he's pretty dynamic. Maybe he could be one of those dudes that looks way better with LeBron (JJ Hickson?)

-Dude is strong and finishes thru contact. If you can't shoot 3's, and-1's are another way to get efficiency up. Without looking at the stats, I'd think he gets a decent number of them.

Curious to know anyone else's thoughts on his game.

So offensively hes a good center, limited without a jump shot obviously but hes great at finishing through contact one of the best in the league, but a center than cant shoot isnt really a good pair with bron

Its that defensively hes a liability, sure AD can cover for some of it but hes gonna get beat on the perimeter alot on switches and you cant put him on bigs either

Although im sure he heard the noise and hes working on his D, its hard. Whats interesting is pelinka built the last team for the playoffs, so this is a very odd move.

[LikeABosh]

Just re-sign KCP and it's an amazing off-season.

Not surprised people are complaining about the Harrell signing. Same people crying about Rondo/Howard leaving are probably the same people who said the Lakers didn't know what they were doing when they signed them

Lakers basically added two 6MOTY's to their bench. Enjoy it!

[dreamshake]

Lakers basically added two 6MOTY's to their bench. Enjoy it!

I've seen lots of people thinking Schroder will come off the bench. I don't see it. He's their 3rd highest paid player - hard to imagine them giving him $15M to come off the bench imo. And I don't think it makes sense to have LeBron spending energy bringing the ball up the floor and initiating every possession all season long. They had Bradley to do it during most of the regular season, but you don't want KCP or Wes in that role. Nor do I think playing Schroder & Caruso together for extended minutes makes a lot of sense.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Just re-sign KCP and it's an amazing off-season.

Not surprised people are complaining about the Harrell signing. Same people crying about Rondo/Howard leaving are probably the same people who said the Lakers didn't know what they were doing when they signed them

Lakers basically added two 6MOTY's to their bench. Enjoy it!

As a whole id say its been a good offseason for sure, but its fair that people are annoyed at the harrell signing

Harrell will be great in the RS but he can be played off the floor defensively, he gets beat on the perimeter and cant really guard inside either, and his fit with AD offensively seems awkward too

On the off chance he develops into a good perimeter defender, or if it was a buble thing since his rs perimeter D isnt as bad by synergy, that changes things, but the offensive fit is just really weird.

Schroder was a great signing but hopefully his jumper wasnt a fluke, wesley matthews was a good signing too. Harrells just odd but theres a crazy amount of upside if his D improves which it might with more emphasis on it

Schroder/Caruso
KCP?/X
Kuzma/Matthews
Lebron/X
Davis/Harrell

Should be our playoff lineup, thats a really good start esp if harrell pans out.