Official Miami Heat Off-Season GT - Saving you from IggieCC

[dean456]

Pretty satisfied so far. The Dragić and Meyers Leonard deals are cheaper than I expected. It's good that Meyers is coming back. Hope he's healthy and can compete. It'll be tricky getting Crowder for a reasonable price though. He will have suitors.

CHEAPER THEN EXPECTED?!

YOU EXPECTED LEONARD GETTING THE FULL MAX?!?!?

Why in gods name did we prioritize Leonard over crowder?

I didn't expect Dragic to get this big a balloon payment. I thought maybe 15-16mil tops.

Leonard I didn't even expect us to retain, let alone pay 9mil per year.

[RexBoyWonder]

Jae was always going to be the toughest one to retain. I have confidence we will find someone though if he does go.

WE COULDV'E EASILY RETANIED CROWDER IF WE JUST OFFERED LENOARD 3 MIL - WHICH IS WHAT HIS MARKET VALUE IS

[gom]

I'm in the same boat, I can't believe we have Leonard 10 Mil this year, while Crowder is still un-decided.

Crowder is a lot more important, Why waste so much money on basically a 3 Mil per backup C.

The Leonard one is puzzling. Really puzzling.

I mean, it doesn’t hurt us long term as it’s not a long term deal...but the terms are fairly egregious. Particularly when you see what guys like Harrell just signed for.

Are we even sure Meyers is going to play much next season? Team played its best ball with him waving towels tbh.

can we trade him in feb if anything comes available?

Yes. Guarantee the next year and he's a $10m contract you can use to get (for example) Oladipo or Kawhi or Giannis or Beal.

[3ballbomber]

The Leonard one is puzzling. Really puzzling.

I mean, it doesn’t hurt us long term as it’s not a long term deal...but the terms are fairly egregious. Particularly when you see what guys like Harrell just signed for.

Are we even sure Meyers is going to play much next season? Team played its best ball with him waving towels tbh.

can we trade him in feb if anything comes available?

Yes. Guarantee the next year and he's a $10m contract you can use to get (for example) Oladipo or Kawhi or Giannis or Beal.

So it's not as bad as it seems knowing he can still be used as a trade chip during the season.

[gom]

Pretty satisfied so far. The Dragić and Meyers Leonard deals are cheaper than I expected. It's good that Meyers is coming back. Hope he's healthy and can compete. It'll be tricky getting Crowder for a reasonable price though. He will have suitors.

CHEAPER THEN EXPECTED?!

YOU EXPECTED LEONARD GETTING THE FULL MAX?!?!?

Why in gods name did we prioritize Leonard over crowder?

I didn't expect Dragic to get this big a balloon payment. I thought maybe 15-16mil tops.

Leonard I didn't even expect us to retain, let alone pay 9mil per year.

I thought Meyers was closer to $10. He started 49 games last season. Averaged 20 min. Played good defense.. Shot 41.4% from the 3, but was very low usage. Not really seeing the problem here.

Honestly I was more worried we would give Crowder 3/45 and screw everything up. That could be expensive to move if he's not hitting 3's at the clip he played with us (which was the best of his career.)

[dean456]

I'm in the same boat, I can't believe we have Leonard 10 Mil this year, while Crowder is still un-decided.

Crowder is a lot more important, Why waste so much money on basically a 3 Mil per backup C.

The Leonard one is puzzling. Really puzzling.

I mean, it doesn’t hurt us long term as it’s not a long term deal...but the terms are fairly egregious. Particularly when you see what guys like Harrell just signed for.

Are we even sure Meyers is going to play much next season? Team played its best ball with him waving towels tbh.

can we trade him in feb if anything comes available?

Even though he has to approve of any trade prior to the deadline I think the fact that we gave him 9mil per year he will go along with whatever we arrange especially since its only a 1-2yr deal so he wont be stuck anywhere he doesn't want to be very long.

[RexBoyWonder]

Considering Dragon **** loves us and was looking to stay here, this offseason is starting In shambels.

Losing Crowder, who should've been our #2 priority, and overpay Leonard, who should've been an afterthought.

Missed out on Gallo, Wood, Wes, we basically did nothing so far.

Hoping we wake up soon.

[Kobewade11]

Crowder clearly wants a long-term deal or he would have signed. We have plenty of money to make him a fair offer. If you want to get pissed, be pissed about losing Jones Jr.

Jae may sign a 1+1 with us still. Otherwise, I would expect him to sign a 3 year deal elsewhere for MLE or a little more. As we discussed before that's fair value. If he wants Marcus Morris money on a 3 year deal fuggetaboutit.

The well is drying fast, for as much as he’s been romanticized in this thread no team has been anxious to throw a multi year deal at a journeyman. Maybe his pal Thibodeau gets desperate after striking out on Hayward. Or the Clippers, they’re really bombing FA so far.

I wish I could yell that signing ML has no impact on our ability to sign Crowder, he wants security of a long term deal not a one year deal..thats what this is about. But it sounds better to blame it on signing ML so thats what we are going with.

[gom]

The Leonard one is puzzling. Really puzzling.

I mean, it doesn’t hurt us long term as it’s not a long term deal...but the terms are fairly egregious. Particularly when you see what guys like Harrell just signed for.

Are we even sure Meyers is going to play much next season? Team played its best ball with him waving towels tbh.

can we trade him in feb if anything comes available?

Even though he has to approve of any trade prior to the deadline I think the fact that we gave him 9mil per year he will go along with whatever we arrange especially since its only a 1-2yr deal so he wont be stuck anywhere he doesn't want to be very long.

No. If you guarantee him, you can just trade him. There will be the option to treat him as an expiring and ask if he wants to be traded of course, but the FO does not need to do this. It is a Team Option.

[3ballbomber]

can we trade him in feb if anything comes available?

Even though he has to approve of any trade prior to the deadline I think the fact that we gave him 9mil per year he will go along with whatever we arrange especially since its only a 1-2yr deal so he wont be stuck anywhere he doesn't want to be very long.

No. If you guarantee him, you can just trade him. There will be the option to treat him as an expiring and ask if he wants to be traded of course, but the FO does not need to do this. It is a Team Option.

2 replies saying you can & now you can't....which is it?

[gom]

Crowder clearly wants a long-term deal or he would have signed. We have plenty of money to make him a fair offer. If you want to get pissed, be pissed about losing Jones Jr.

Jae may sign a 1+1 with us still. Otherwise, I would expect him to sign a 3 year deal elsewhere for MLE or a little more. As we discussed before that's fair value. If he wants Marcus Morris money on a 3 year deal fuggetaboutit.

The well is drying fast, for as much as he’s been romanticized in this thread no team has been anxious to throw a multi year deal at a journeyman. Maybe his pal Thibodeau gets desperate after striking out on Hayward. Or the Clippers, they’re really bombing FA so far.

The well wasn't very good to begin with imho. Anthony Davis was the only player I wanted and that ship sailed when the Lakers beat us. I like that we remain flexible.

With respect to the players that we have "missed" on:

(1) Gallo signed a huge deal with the Hawks. This could come back to haunt them. It is exactly the kind of deal he wanted which we were smart not to give.

(2) I like Wood's deal. I *LOVE* Harrell's deal but we don't need him. Pass on Wesley Matthews.

(3) Bummed about missing out on Jones Jr, but he wanted a guaranteed 2nd season.

Pat is focused on next offseason or the trade deadline. I think he's right. Wood & Gallo are not going to get you past the Lakers.

[gom]

Even though he has to approve of any trade prior to the deadline I think the fact that we gave him 9mil per year he will go along with whatever we arrange especially since its only a 1-2yr deal so he wont be stuck anywhere he doesn't want to be very long.

No. If you guarantee him, you can just trade him. There will be the option to treat him as an expiring and ask if he wants to be traded of course, but the FO does not need to do this. It is a Team Option.

2 replies saying you can & now you can't....which is it?

It's the same thing. If we opt in, it is a 2 year deal and he can be traded. If we don't opt in, he is an expiring and he needs to agree.

When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, his Larry Bird/Early Bird rights are not traded with him, and instead becomes a Non-Bird free agent3. The player's consent is also required for any subsequent trades that season.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q101

[Kobewade11]

Considering Dragon **** loves us and was looking to stay here, this offseason is starting In shambels.

Losing Crowder, who should've been our #2 priority, and overpay Leonard, who should've been an afterthought.

Missed out on Gallo, Wood, Wes, we basically did nothing so far.

Hoping we wake up soon.

Rex, did you see the contracts they got? You guys were cool with paying Gallinari 20.5m the next 3 years? 14m the next 3 years for Christian Wood? Wes Matthews took a ring chase discount. We just spent the last 3 years getting out of this exact situation

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I’m screaming it to the grave - - the Crowder hang up is NOT about money. If he strikes out on a multi year deal with the teams that also have not prioritized giving him long term contract he will be back.

[dean456]

The Leonard one is puzzling. Really puzzling.

I mean, it doesn’t hurt us long term as it’s not a long term deal...but the terms are fairly egregious. Particularly when you see what guys like Harrell just signed for.

Are we even sure Meyers is going to play much next season? Team played its best ball with him waving towels tbh.

can we trade him in feb if anything comes available?

Yes. Guarantee the next year and he's a $10m contract you can use to get (for example) Oladipo or Kawhi or Giannis or Beal.

There must be something else in the works because we basically have the salaries for that with Olynyk and Iggy already. Maybe we are loading up on sizable 1yr contracts now so we can make a run at 2 max free agents in 2021?

[3ballbomber]

No. If you guarantee him, you can just trade him. There will be the option to treat him as an expiring and ask if he wants to be traded of course, but the FO does not need to do this. It is a Team Option.

2 replies saying you can & now you can't....which is it?

It's the same thing. If we opt in, it is a 2 year deal and he can be traded. If we don't opt in, he is an expiring and he needs to agree.

gotcha. I'm anticipating a trade

[gom]

2 replies saying you can & now you can't....which is it?

It's the same thing. If we opt in, it is a 2 year deal and he can be traded. If we don't opt in, he is an expiring and he needs to agree.

gotcha. I'm anticipating a trade

I'm anticipating a trade at the deadline and expect us to be in great shape then with good assets to deal aside from the contracts. Player development is going to be our ace in the hole.

[HIF]

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But I'm told the 15th spot is completely pointless from a team pov.

[gom]

can we trade him in feb if anything comes available?

Yes. Guarantee the next year and he's a $10m contract you can use to get (for example) Oladipo or Kawhi or Giannis or Beal.

There must be something else in the works because we basically have the salaries for that with Olynyk and Iggy already. Maybe we are loading up on sizable 1yr contracts now so we can make a run at 2 max free agents in 2021?

I doubt it. Butler is a max. Bam is a max. Player-3 is a max. Player 3 needs to be someone special. All we have to do is not mess up and sign Westbrook or Oladipo etc. Pay a real star.

[HIF]

Leonard getting the full MLE is a huge fail

Maybe the players wanted him on the bench.

[gom]

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But I'm told the 15th spot is completely pointless from a team pov.

Butler
Herro
Bam
Dragić
Duncan
Meyers
Iggy
Nunn
Olynyk
Silva
Okpala
Mr. P
Vincent
UD

We aren't signing Hill are we? We didn't extend a QO to Kyle Alexander.
What am I missing here?
I'm going to assume Miami signs Crowder to a 1+1.

Ok. Have fun! Gotta go write!