WHY trade the Daniel Oturu pick at 33 away for nothing???

cooch2584 · Post #41 » by **cooch2584** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:24 pm

robillionaire wrote:people were having a meltdown when they announced the pick because "we drafted another big" and now another one because we didn't keep said big. yall are funny

Ya all funny how?? do i amuse you? am i a clown??

Im Coming Home · Post #42 » by **Im Coming Home** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:35 pm

robillionaire wrote:people were having a meltdown when they announced the pick because "we drafted another big" and now another one because we didn't keep said big. yall are funny

Its almost like there's multiple people with different opinions on the board.

Also, people could question the pick but also be mad about trading him away for nothing. It would have been on to trade the pick for 2 more picks or something but to trade him away for a useless 2023 2nd rounder seemed questionable at best.

CharlesOakley · Post #43 » by **CharlesOakley** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:44 pm

2023 is the year the NBA can draft high school kids again. I think that is why 2023 was the target pick. 2nd rounders will be more valuable.

LakersSoul · Post #44 » by **LakersSoul** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:26 pm

CharlesOakley wrote:2023 is the year the NBA can draft high school kids again. I think that is why 2023 was the target pick. 2nd rounders will be more valuable.

Plus it’s Detroit’s pick and not Clippers. That’s quite valuable. FO/Rose didn’t let Oturu go easily.

NYKAL · Post #45 » by **NYKAL** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:33 pm

My assumption is that they need open roster spots for upcoming moves. Plus, Thibs was never going to play all those rooks yet, at the same time, I understand anyone wanting to draft and stick any who can't make the team into the g-league.

symbiotic · Post #46 » by **symbiotic** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:56 pm

Obi Tobbin & Immanuel Quickly. **** homerun of picks.

br7knicks · Post #47 » by **br7knicks** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:01 pm

a LAC 2nd rounder, not a 1st rounder? wasn't oturu expected late first round?

Polk377 · Post #48 » by **Polk377** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:27 pm

Did the Knicks actually trade this pick? It has Oturu listed on the Knicks depth chart on ESPN :lol:

blueNorange · Post #49 » by **blueNorange** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:32 pm

i think i know the answer you're looking for, thibs and the knicks front office didn't think of anyone in the 2nd round, in one of the weakest drafts ever, was worth drafting.

Phish Tank · Post #50 » by **Phish Tank** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:32 pm

Capn'O wrote:
King of Canada wrote:I think the trade makes sense - we only have so many roster spots, made the move to punt the pick, which will be a good one, until 2023. It now becomes a trade asset rather than a g-league candidate on the roster. It's fine. I would have liked to pick a few of the guards at that spot, but apparently we're looking toward FA for that.

Yeah, I have a hard time giving criticism for things I have absolutely done myself in BAF

Edit: granted we have a hard cap...

I was about to say..... :lol:

But yea, in a weak draft, we'll get more value punting the pick to a later year. We don't need more kids.

Post #51 » by **Capn'O** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:38 pm

Phish Tank wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
King of Canada wrote:I think the trade makes sense - we only have so many roster spots, made the move to punt the pick, which will be a good one, until 2023. It now becomes a trade asset rather than a g-league candidate on the roster. It's fine. I would have liked to pick a few of the guards at that spot, but apparently we're looking toward FA for that.

Yeah, I have a hard time giving criticism for things I have absolutely done myself in BAF

Edit: granted we have a hard cap...

I was about to say.....

But yea, in a weak draft, we'll get more value punting the pick to a later year. We don't need more kids.

I couldn't identify a Mitch type player this year. Somebody who fell due to red flags or was otherwise overlooked such as an international prospect. Admittedly, I didn't look very hard. I felt better about "pro" prospects in our league this year (THT, Eubanks, Melton) and focused on them.

Phish Tank · Post #52 » by **Phish Tank** » Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:40 pm

Capn'O wrote:
Phish Tank wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Yeah, I have a hard time giving criticism for things I have absolutely done myself in BAF

Edit: granted we have a hard cap...

I was about to say.....

But yea, in a weak draft, we'll get more value punting the pick to a later year. We don't need more kids.

I couldn't identify a Mitch type player this year. Somebody who fell due to red flags or was otherwise overlooked such as an international prospect. Admittedly, I didn't look very hard. I felt better about "pro" prospects in our league this year (THT, Eubanks, Melton) and focused on them.

Yea - and I overdrafted Deni & Cassius Winston (but somehow underdrafted Jalen Smith). Weird draft.

nyczlegacy · Post #53 » by **nyczlegacy** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:12 am

life of a knicks fan

keep the pick youre an idiot

trade the pick, youre an idiot

there is no right answer

Knicks gonna Knick g bless

Post #54 » by **moocow007** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:26 am

Like I said Oturu was one of my hidden gems in this draft that I mentioned before the draft. Was also even more surprised they traded Balmaro (another gem guy i mentioned).

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blanko · Post #55 » by **blanko** » Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:18 am

Worst_to_First wrote:I was amazed that our FO was able to turn 27 and 38 to 25 and 33 using nothing. Then messed it up by giving up 33 with a second round pick 3 years from now.

That draft is most likey to be the double draft where highschool kids are allowed to enter the nba.

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Moose · Post #56 » by **Moose** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:54 am

The Knicks did a math equation. They value the 2023 draft a certain way assuming the high school stuff.

That answer to the equation told them that even a #40 pick in 2023 is more valuable than what they saw in 2020 at #33.

You can agree or not with the conclusion, but that's my guess as to what happened here.

Knicksfan20 · Post #57 » by **Knicksfan20** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:18 pm

Moose wrote:The Knicks did a math equation. They value the 2023 draft a certain way assuming the high school stuff.

That answer to the equation told them that even a #40 pick in 2023 is more valuable than what they saw in 2020 at #33.

You can agree or not with the conclusion, but that's my guess as to what happened here.

I see the logic, but its flawed. You dont trade a high 2nd round pick which is basically a first rounder for a future mid/late 2nd rounder.

in 3 years we could have developed a good player...Instead we are waiting 6-7 years for one to develop? Idk..No truth that HS players have more upside. So many HS busts in history. Something just doesnt sit right with me paying an 18 year old kid millions of dollars soly on how he played basketball against highschool kids.

Tron Carter · Post #58 » by **Tron Carter** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:23 pm

Ya’ll btch about literally everything who cares. .001% chance he or whoever we picked at 33 amounted to anything for us. We have enough projects, enough youth, enough crappy players of our OWN to develop.

Tron Carter · Post #59 » by **Tron Carter** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:24 pm

nyczlegacy wrote:life of a knicks fan

keep the pick youre an idiot

trade the pick, youre an idiot

there is no right answer

Knicks gonna Knick g bless

this 100x over.

KnicksGadfly · Post #60 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:35 pm

People get mad at how Knicks fans have a losing mentality, but I think the real losers are the ones who show up every offseason to support every move the FO makes, without an ability to think critically.

They’re the same guys who demand hustle and playing the right way, but won’t demand the same hustle from the front office.