Official Miami Heat Off-Season GT - Saving you from IggieCC

[Kobewade11]

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[Seabass777]

Y’all are overrating Jae Crowder sooooo bad! Dude is no more than Clarence Weatherspoon and he had plenty of disappearing acts in the playoffs with his shooting costing us games. Take the one year or suck it Jae

He's no star, but he was a very good fit here and no one else on the team brings his skills right now. KZ might, Precious might, but you can't count on them if you're really trying to win now.

We really need a proven Big that can defend and shoot next to Bam, Crowder is the best we found and we might lose him for nothing with no way to replace the skillset.

Trevor Ariza might be able to fill that role

[twix2500]

one reason I think it is important is to have Crowder is for Achiuwa development. Achiuwa will be developed to play the same position as Crowder. Having a veteran who you want your young player to mimic is important

[contract]

I don't see how we gonna sign Jae without offering multiyear deal. The best is to move on and replace him.
Bring in another solid scorer and a big man (Boogie?) thats all i want.

Boogie could never survive here. He doesn't have the commitment to conditioning and the work ethic we require, and he's not a big enough talent where you might give him a pass anymore either.

[DrHeat]

Can't blame Crowder for trying to get more guarantee money.. One of the reasons he has been traded so much is because his original deal was considered one of the best value contracts in the NBA.. He was under contract for the free agent bonanza of 2015... If he walks we will miss him but I agree with the Heat position. I am sure they already have plan B,C and D in place

[Kobewade11]

one reason I think it is important is to have Crowder is for Achiuwa development. Achiuwa will be developed to play the same position as Crowder. Having a veteran who you want your young player to mimic is important

I dont think the team is looking to mold Precious to be another ‘Jae Crowder’. Besides, Herro did fine under jimmy’s tutelage and they play different positions. The rook will have plenty of people guiding and helping in his development. I still suspect Crowder will be back but if he’s not I dont think Precious is missing out at all.

[contract]

Bogdanovic is apparently pretty tight with Gogi...could be some smoke there.

Perhaps Kelly and/or KNunn are being involved in a S&T for Bogi to us?

Anyone smarter than me able to say what kinda deal we could S&T him for while retaining Max flexibility in 2021?

Any deal for Bogdanović would eat into our 2021 cap space. There's no way to avoid it. Right now our only commitments for 2021 are ...

Jimmy $36,016,200
Okpala $1,782,621

That's it. There's also the $4,004,280 team option for Herro that we would pick up if he isn't traded before then.

So unless we shipped Jimmy out as part of the deal, which obviously isn't going to happen, we would eat up a significant chunk of cap space for 2021.

[carnageta]

I love how everyone is on the Precious hype train and has completely forgotten about KZ.

You guys know they are the same age, right? Born in 99’. Okpala could have stayed another season in college and declared for the draft this year, significantly raising his draft profile and increasing his stock. He went #32 in a relatively stacked draft class. How often does Miami trade to move up? Doesn’t happen often I can tell you that..

KZ has a longer wingspan and is the same height as Precious. Probably not as much brute strength. His footwork and dribble game is miles ahead though.

Percentages wise, KZ shot better but Precious has better mechanics, which could translate to more success at the next level.


KZ is the better prospect. Precious has the higher floor. There, I said it.

[Seabass777]

I think the best options that can make us much better without sacrificing our assets and cap flexibility for '21 are: A trade for Victor Oladipo, A 1 year prove it season on a expiring contract, or a trade for both LMA and DeRozan, I would love Boogie as well, but I just have a feeling he doesn't want to be here and not sure if he fits our culture.

I think Serge Ibaka is Brooklyn bound, Harry Giles would be a nice project I would take a flyer on him. There are still players out there that can help us improve.

[DrHeat]

I love how everyone is on the Precious hype train and has completely forgotten about KZ.

You guys know they are the same age, right? Born in 99’. Okpala could have stayed another season in college and declared for the draft this year, significantly raising his draft profile and increasing his stock. He went #32 in a relatively stacked draft class. How often does Miami trade to move up? Doesn’t happen often I can tell you that..

KZ has a longer wingspan and is the same height as Precious. Probably not as much brute strength. His footwork and dribble game is miles ahead though.

Percentages wise, KZ shot better but Precious has better mechanics, which could translate to more success at the next level.


KZ is the better prospect. Precious has the higher floor. There, I said it.

KZ is definitely talented. I hope he has put some weight/ muscle on him. He is not physically as mature as Precious who has a NBA body. I could see KZ emerging and I agree that for the heat to give up so much for him they had to see something remarkable. However I am surprised he did not get at least some situational minutes. I wonder if that is a red flag


I know there are different drafts but Precious was rated 14 in the ringer big board and 12 on ESPN.. His upside appears higher. KZ was in the 20s if I remember well

[MiamiLoyal926]

With Jae, our roster is essentially maxed at 15 spots. Precious replaced DJJ. So if Jae signs with us, then what?

I am fully on board with bloated deals for Dragic, ML, and Jae. And as some have already said before, I am confident all three had these deals waiting for them minute one if free agency. It is not that we prioritized ML, it’s that ML had no desire to explore anywhere else and took the deal immediately just like Dragic. Jae on the other hand is more split between signing for the Culture or signing for the long term financials. What I am also confident in that the expectation for next year is that ML will take a UD deal and Dragic will take a highly team friendly deal. We are swinging for a max and we need high quality vets who already bleed Culture ready to chase that ring and show continuity. Either Jae is about that culture or he is not. I have a feeling that is currently his internal struggle. He is exploring what he truly wants more, and if there is an option out there that can give him both.

[Seabass777]

I love how everyone is on the Precious hype train and has completely forgotten about KZ.

You guys know they are the same age, right? Born in 99’. Okpala could have stayed another season in college and declared for the draft this year, significantly raising his draft profile and increasing his stock. He went #32 in a relatively stacked draft class. How often does Miami trade to move up? Doesn’t happen often I can tell you that..

KZ has a longer wingspan and is the same height as Precious. Probably not as much brute strength. His footwork and dribble game is miles ahead though.

Percentages wise, KZ shot better but Precious has better mechanics, which could translate to more success at the next level.


KZ is the better prospect. Precious has the higher floor. There, I said it.

And that's why if we don't retain Jae there is really no love lost, he played a great role for us yes, and I would love to have him back on a 2 year deal with a team option in year 2, however KZ is waiting now for his opportunity, Jae Crowder is expendable just like DJJ was.

It's actually pretty exciting when you think about what KZ is going to be able to offer to this team, a 6'9-6'10 forward with a 7'2 wingspan, that can handle the ball, shoot the 3, and take it to the cup?? Yes please, Jae Crowder who?

[gom]

Hard to believe Harry Giles is still available.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Trying to make peace with the Leonard deal... perhaps a show of good faith to Bam so he'll be patient with the extension?

I guess I get the approach with Crowder, as his dwindling options are playing to Miami's favor, but I still don't understand the massive hangup over a multi-year deal. If we do land a whale in 2021, we're still gonna need dependable veteran role players -- ESPECIALLY solid 3/D wings (which I consider Jae to be) that no team can ever have enough of -- and I can't imagine how a salary of like $10 mil per would be some cap-killing deal in future years. Hell afaik we could even frontload a deal to preserve 2021/2022 room, in which case we'd be getting Jae on a discount after this season. Not only would he be a cost-efficient roster piece for us (especially in the event we move Herro and/or DRob to get our whale), but it'd also make him pretty easy to trade if we had to

[dolphinatik]

let me just say that I am extremely happy that the Heat brought back Dragic and Meyers. Dragic has gotten a lot of unnecessary shade over the years when its clear he has been solid and one of our top contributors. Dude is a soldier and will be in Heat Hall one day.

Meyers Leonard is that guy. glad to have him back. Played his role without complaining even though he wished for expanded role. Used to watch and follow his high school games and wanted Heat to draft him when we desperately needed a big same draft as Fab Melo, Jared Sullinger, Arnette Moultree and Festus Ezeli remember those guys? I hope we actually use him more this year.

[Seabass777]

I love how everyone is on the Precious hype train and has completely forgotten about KZ.

You guys know they are the same age, right? Born in 99’. Okpala could have stayed another season in college and declared for the draft this year, significantly raising his draft profile and increasing his stock. He went #32 in a relatively stacked draft class. How often does Miami trade to move up? Doesn’t happen often I can tell you that..

KZ has a longer wingspan and is the same height as Precious. Probably not as much brute strength. His footwork and dribble game is miles ahead though.

Percentages wise, KZ shot better but Precious has better mechanics, which could translate to more success at the next level.


KZ is the better prospect. Precious has the higher floor. There, I said it.

KZ is definitely talented. I hope he has put some weight/ muscle on him. He is not physically as mature as Precious who has a NBA body. I could see KZ emerging and I agree that for the heat to give up so much for him they had to see something remarkable. However I am surprised he did not get at least some situational minutes. I wonder if that is a red flag


I know there are different drafts but Precious was rated 14 in the ringer big board and 12 on ESPN.. His upside appears higher. KZ was in the 20s if I remember well

I wouldn't take to much stock in him not playing, he had an injury towards the end of the year that limited him, but rest assured the Heat really value him.

Iggy even mentioned that during the playoff series against the Bucks, the team simulated KZ as Giannis, when it came to practices in order to game plan for that match up vs the Bucks and to prepare for the Greek Freak

[MiamiLoyal926]

As for ideal outcome of all this, and imagining that Giannis can truly be had in 2021, here is what I would love to see:

1. Jae signs his bloated 1 year deal and as such is open to the team friendly 2021 deal.
2. A 2 for 1 trade of KO and Nunn is made for VO and that a blueprint is discussed of financials in 2021 that would still fit him into the plan of signing max Giannis.
3. Use that last roster spot on Harry Giles.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Trying to make peace with the Leonard deal... perhaps a show of good faith to Bam so he'll be patient with the extension?

I guess I get the approach with Crowder, as his dwindling options are playing to Miami's favor, but I still don't understand the massive hangup over a multi-year deal. If we do land a whale in 2021, we're still gonna need dependable veteran role players -- ESPECIALLY solid 3/D wings (which I consider Jae to be) that no team can ever have enough of -- and I can't imagine how a salary of like $10 mil per would be some cap-killing deal in future years. Hell afaik we could even frontload a deal to preserve 2021/2022 room, in which case we'd be getting Jae on a discount after this season. Not only would he be a cost-efficient roster piece for us (especially in the event we move Herro and/or DRob to get our whale), but it'd also make him pretty easy to trade if we had to

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If the HEAT want to keep this core intact, they can add about 9 million at most while keeping the max slot open for Giannis.

[dean456]

People need to pump the breaks on KZ a little. I'm optimistic for him as a prospect but he was still shooting 36% from the field and 28% from 3 in the G-League. It might be a while before he starts getting consistent rotation minutes here. He will bring a lot of other things to the table in his ability to defend and rebound but expect him to be as frustrating as DJJr was to start with his shooting. But he will be the replacement for DJJr as a backup SF/PF this season.

Precious I am also optimistic for. But I see him playing mostly a backup C role in his first year. I think he will be used to supplement Bam's minutes when he sits. He'll likely eat up Silva's playing time. Down the line I can see him becoming a versatile 3 and D PF/C

[BenoUdrihFTL]

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Trying to make peace with the Leonard deal... perhaps a show of good faith to Bam so he'll be patient with the extension?

I guess I get the approach with Crowder, as his dwindling options are playing to Miami's favor, but I still don't understand the massive hangup over a multi-year deal. If we do land a whale in 2021, we're still gonna need dependable veteran role players -- ESPECIALLY solid 3/D wings (which I consider Jae to be) that no team can ever have enough of -- and I can't imagine how a salary of like $10 mil per would be some cap-killing deal in future years. Hell afaik we could even frontload a deal to preserve 2021/2022 room, in which case we'd be getting Jae on a discount after this season. Not only would he be a cost-efficient roster piece for us (especially in the event we move Herro and/or DRob to get our whale), but it'd also make him pretty easy to trade if we had to

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If the HEAT want to keep this core intact, they can add about 9 million at most while keeping the max slot open for Giannis.

So do Jae on a frontloaded 16-8 (12 per) or 14-8-8 (10 per). If that's possible under cap rules then who says no?