Rumors and Discussion Thread (NYK and NBA) IV

[knickstape21]

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[iLLmatic860]

Can anyone explain to me what the hurry was in tying up 11 million dollars in cap space for Davis and Burks?

Wait, I forgot Davis brought in second rounders in 2023 double draft.

But Burks? Why?

Why did the Knicks sign Burks AND pick up Bullocks? Or is Burks more G to Bullocks more SF?
They both seem like SG/SF swing bench guys to me.

Shooting and good vet who understands his role. Also familiarity with Bryant and Perrin

[Tron Carter]

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get George hill or DJ

From OKC? Gonna cost both Mav's picks

yeah maybe we should stay away from presti rn

[Richard4444]

Bullock can be a filler in a trade or a out of regular rotation guy.

[Clyde_Style]

Can anyone explain to me what the hurry was in tying up 11 million dollars in cap space for Davis and Burks?

Wait, I forgot Davis brought in second rounders in 2023 double draft.

But Burks? Why?

Why did the Knicks sign Burks AND pick up Bullocks? Or is Burks more G to Bullocks more SF?
They both seem like SG/SF swing bench guys to me.

Burks is going to be running the Knicks pandemic strategy

[thebuzzardman]

Can anyone explain to me what the hurry was in tying up 11 million dollars in cap space for Davis and Burks?

Wait, I forgot Davis brought in second rounders in 2023 double draft.

But Burks? Why?

Why did the Knicks sign Burks AND pick up Bullocks? Or is Burks more G to Bullocks more SF?
They both seem like SG/SF swing bench guys to me.

Shooting and good vet who understands his role. Also familiarity with Bryant and Perrin

I understand the why

I don't understand the "why so fast"

Can't be that many teams clamoring for the services of Burk

[WargamesX]

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get George hill or DJ

From OKC? Gonna cost both Mav's picks

Yep OKC is in accumulation mode. Knicks aren’t in the giving mode.

[Mr Rabbit]

Can anyone explain to me what the hurry was in tying up 11 million dollars in cap space for Davis and Burks?

Wait, I forgot Davis brought in second rounders in 2023 double draft.

But Burks? Why?

Why did the Knicks sign Burks AND pick up Bullocks? Or is Burks more G to Bullocks more SF?
They both seem like SG/SF swing bench guys to me.

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[thebuzzardman]

Can anyone explain to me what the hurry was in tying up 11 million dollars in cap space for Davis and Burks?

Wait, I forgot Davis brought in second rounders in 2023 double draft.

But Burks? Why?

Why did the Knicks sign Burks AND pick up Bullocks? Or is Burks more G to Bullocks more SF?
They both seem like SG/SF swing bench guys to me.

Burks is going to be running the Knicks pandemic strategy

First step: Isolate on tropical island potential super spreader James Dolan

[knickstape21]

I just want to be excited about winning one day. That's all. My bar is very low.

We won yesterday, man. Not signing Bertans to 80m and Wood to 40m is a huge W for the FO.

[Tron Carter]

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Leon’s playlist rn:

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[iLLmatic860]

Can anyone explain to me what the hurry was in tying up 11 million dollars in cap space for Davis and Burks?

Wait, I forgot Davis brought in second rounders in 2023 double draft.

But Burks? Why?

Why did the Knicks sign Burks AND pick up Bullocks? Or is Burks more G to Bullocks more SF?
They both seem like SG/SF swing bench guys to me.

Shooting and good vet who understands his role. Also familiarity with Bryant and Perrin

I understand the why

I don't understand the "why so fast"

Can't be that many teams clamoring for the services of Burk

Honestly i think most guys are looking for a bag. So im glad we got a good shooter on a 1 year deal. I dont see the problem with the 1 year deals Perry and Mills did. They just executed it horribly bringing guys like Randle, Portis and Payton.

[thebuzzardman]

Can anyone explain to me what the hurry was in tying up 11 million dollars in cap space for Davis and Burks?

Wait, I forgot Davis brought in second rounders in 2023 double draft.

But Burks? Why?

Why did the Knicks sign Burks AND pick up Bullocks? Or is Burks more G to Bullocks more SF?
They both seem like SG/SF swing bench guys to me.

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I guess it's both of "we are somewhat familiar with him and need wing depth" while there is still flexibility in a trade/cap with him.

The same thing was posted about Davis. He could still be moved.

I wonder if that means the Knicks have in effect 40 million in cap space.
And if Randle was traded....!
Nevermind.

Who's on the list of ex Utah Scrubs/ex Kentucky scrubs/CAA scrubs/Anyone represented by Leon Roses son that's left?

[Spree2Houston]

Knicks should be monitoring the Ingram situation very closely. He may take the qualifying offer and become an ufa next year

[thebuzzardman]

Shooting and good vet who understands his role. Also familiarity with Bryant and Perrin

I understand the why

I don't understand the "why so fast"

Can't be that many teams clamoring for the services of Burk

Honestly i think most guys are looking for a bag. So im glad we got a good shooter on a 1 year deal. I dont see the problem with the 1 year deals Perry and Mills did. They just executed it horribly bringing guys like Randle, Portis and Payton.

True. As long as the wings aren't ShandonAndersenish, better to load up on wings/shooters than the mess Pills perpetrated.

[Knicksrule2k4]

Idk why but I’m still expecting a Woj Bomb saying Knicks have signed FVV to 4/100. He’s prob going back to the Raptors but I keep looking for it.

[Traveyknicks23]

Boy, Obi, Quickly and even Powell better be the sh*t, and immediately, or this is going to be one horrendous team.

We about to set these boys up For disaster and people Are All for it smh lol it’s baffling

[thebuzzardman]

I just want to be excited about winning one day. That's all. My bar is very low.

We won yesterday, man. Not signing Bertans to 80m and Wood to 40m is a huge W for the FO.

[SelbyCobra]

I hope we don't get Hayward and FVV. Nothing against them as players but we have our young forwards (I consider RJ a forward) that we need to play and Hayward's going to get in the way of that. He's not the final answer. $25+ million for FVV is just too much. We're not going anywhere. Why have that money tied to us as we build up the team?

But more than that, Dolan has had a policy since his arrival that he would never lose out on a player due to money. It's a terrible policy. It's why we signed Allan Houston for 100 mil when nobody else was offering more than 70, it's why Isiah Thomas ran the Knicks up to a $140 million payroll when the cap was around $60 million, and it's why more recently we dropped insane deals on Joakim Noah and the short contract players last season. If we wanted a guy, just overpay him.

Here we are, sitting as the only team with enough cap space for the opportunity to pay these two players more than their market value outright. AKA, other than their own teams; playoff teams for which how they play this decision could potentially affect whether they make the first, second, or championship rounds of the playoffs. Our highest outcome is maybe scraping into the playoffs for a first round sweep and then being tapped out due to the contracts we've signed.

In a capped league, you - not occasionally but often - have to make a hard choice on numbers if you want to be in a position to keep moving forward. Look at the Warriors - the reason they were able to build a dynasty was they had Steph Curry on a ridiculous sweetheart deal for the early part of their runs and Klay and Dray on their rookie deal for the initial build. Once they even had to pay him superstar market value their window closed. There just isn't enough to go around to hold bad deals. Dolan's early philosophy was team suicide if you want to compete regularly. Not only does it saddle teams with payroll but it attracts grifters to the team who see that they can leverage this philosophy for a hot payday. We now have the chance to show the world that we've moved past tossing money around like drunken sailors in a whorehouse. Non-moves today would show the world that the Knicks are finally ready to move forward.

I get the sentiment here, but don't think it's this black and white. They're an in-between to me for a team like the Knicks, and FVV fits that perfectly, in my opinion.

While Steph's exploding salary certainly changed their window, it's easy to forget that when they won the championship in 2015, the Warriors highest paid player was David Lee, who took up 20% of their cap.

In fact, their top 3 highest paid players that championship year were Lee, Bogut, and Iggy, and they took up 54% (FIFTY-FOUR PERCENT!) of the cap. Lee was irrelevent playing less than 50 games, Bogut was a defensive anchor but played 23 MPG and averaged 6 points, and Iguodala didn't start a single game and averaged less than 8 points.

So even if FVV somehow becomes Jerome James, it's not a death knell to being highly competitive if the right coaching, development staff, and cap management is in place.

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Wasn't a similar thing said about Davis?

Anyone know of an angle here?

Though, honestly, not sure what value Davis and Burks have to a team, other than some kind of cap relief.

Meaning, it seems their S&T value is sort of limited.

On the one hand, seems like Leon & Aller have something cooking. On the other hand, seems like they are doing slightly fancier Mills\Perry

Spotrac, which is not always infallible, has both Davis and Burks as 'pending' transactions. Davis is/would be a trade (Utah also giving the Knicks these 2 2023 2RP), but it isn't clear how the deal will be structured afaik and whether the Knicks are sending anything back or whether the swapping of draft picks is going to be part of the deal. Burks is signing a FA. I don't see exactly why the Knicks are signing him.