[Woj] Charlotte throws way too much money at Gordon Hayward

[basketballwacko2]

I wonder what Indiana offered? Had to be $100m+

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I doubt it but it doesn't matter because that would still mean the Pacers send guys that they like to Boston to make it happen. I said all along that Turner would not go in a deal like this.

[Texas Chuck]

KEMBA, I am so sorry mate. I just am so so sorry. You and the other Hornets fans deserve better than this.

[basketballwacko2]

Yikes:

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OMG it keeps getting worse and worser (I know that's not a word.).

[ACMFFL]

39 mln per year over the next three committed just to sign Hayward. That's awful for Charlotte.

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MJ closed the deal:

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[Resistance]

I have questions.

Kupchak needs to go. What even is this?

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How the hell does someone with that on his resume get a JOB as an NBA GM? I need to send the Hornets my own Resume, zero bad trades done and zero horrid signings. Yeah I have no experience but as some old politician says, "Come on Man!"

Jordan wanted a GM that wasn't going to try and push him out of his comfort zone and that is why Kupchak was hired.

[R-DAWG]

If it's true that Boston could have gotten Myles Turner and Doug McDermott in a sign and trade for Hayward, and lost that opportunity because they overplayed their hand and tried to get Oladipo or Warren included, that's a HUGE blown opportunity.

At the end of the day, the Charlotte money might have been too much to match, but losing Hayward for nothing when you could have had a 24 year old strtech 5 that is a great rim protector on a good contract that's a tough pill to swallow.

[the_process]

Feels like CHA overpaid by about 20M.

At least they actually get Hayward on the roster this time, unlike the last time they signed him.

per year or total?

4/100 would still have been an awful contract

I feel like 4/100 you can at least make an argument for. The extra 20M is Kupchak bidding against himself.

[MoneyTalks41890]

BOS out: Hayward
BOS in: Horford, George Hill, 2 2nds

CHA out: Batum, 2 2nds
CHA in: Hayward

OKC out: Horford, Hill
OKC in: Batum

[hugepatsfan]

I would have actually "liked" this for them if they made the money work in a way other than stretching Batum. They were still gonna have like $30M of cap next year but now they chopped that off by like a 3rd with the Batum stretch.

Hayward is still a really great player. He's gonna be 20/5/5 with good efficiency on his own team. Graham/Ball/Bridges/Washington are all good young players. I still expect a lottery pick for them next year. With cap space to spend I think they could have landed some good players. I really thought this could have been a solid team this time next year ready to charge if the young guys grew.

All that is still true. But hurting that flexibility with the Batum stretch seems like a very poor move. I'm sure they could have made the money other ways.

[hugepatsfan]

BOS out: Hayward
BOS in: Horford, George Hill, 2 2nds

CHA out: Batum, 2 2nds
CHA in: Hayward

OKC out: Horford, Hill
OKC in: Batum

I don't think Boston would want to go into the tax for that. Rather just use MLE and BAE.

[Bentley1225]

So they are paying Hayward $30 million a year and Batum $9 million a year to go away for the next 3 years = $39 million/year for next 3 years. Stupid, just stupid

How is this sound management for a team that deserves a better front office.

[patman66]

If it's true that Boston could have gotten Myles Turner and Doug McDermott in a sign and trade for Hayward, and lost that opportunity because they overplayed their hand and tried to get Oladipo or Warren included, that's a HUGE blown opportunity.

At the end of the day, the Charlotte money might have been too much to match, but losing Hayward for nothing when you could have had a 24 year old strtech 5 that is a great rim protector on a good contract that's a tough pill to swallow.

yeah, but no way was Hayward going to leave 20 mill on the table if Indy was at 4 and 25, the celts might have been happy with it but once MJ went to 120 the pacers probably would have had to go to 110 like a ten percent discount to go home. 20% is just too much. Most pacer fans don't think they were that high at 4-25.

[basketballwacko2]

TnT overvalue cap space and wildly undervalue good wings.
News?

Yeah right! $30 million a year for a guy who is 30 years old with a history of injuries. I'm not doing that. There is a reason why some teams don't win this is an example.

[basketballwacko2]

If it's true that Boston could have gotten Myles Turner and Doug McDermott in a sign and trade for Hayward, and lost that opportunity because they overplayed their hand and tried to get Oladipo or Warren included, that's a HUGE blown opportunity.

At the end of the day, the Charlotte money might have been too much to match, but losing Hayward for nothing when you could have had a 24 year old strtech 5 that is a great rim protector on a good contract that's a tough pill to swallow.

yeah, but no way was Hayward going to leave 20 mill on the table if Indy was at 4 and 25, the celts might have been happy with it but once MJ went to 120 the pacers probably would have had to go to 110 like a ten percent discount to go home. 20% is just too much. Most pacer fans don't think they were that high at 4-25.

I don't believe the Pacers were ever at $20 million a year! Sure as hell not $110 million for 4. When you add in giving up valuable players in addition to the massive salary! It's an easy no, we're done thanks for calling.

[ThatBoyNick]

This is what happens when there’s a bidding war. Had the Celtics, Hawks, Knicks and Pacers all making bids.

[basketballwacko2]

I think Hayward in theory is a great compliment to Lamelo. Money is a huge issue though

My thoughts exactly. If the Hornets believe Ball is the real deal (regardless of whether others agree: some do and some don't) then a wing who can shoot and serve as secondary playmaker is exactly the kind of piece you want next to him. In that sense it's a good move.

But not for $30M/yr for 4 years. Yee-ikes. Charlotte is *just* kicking off a rebuild and this is absolutely not the right time to pay that much money, for that long, for that age.

In fairness to Charlotte, their books are pretty empty going forward. Going into next season, they have 8 players under contract, including Hayward for $71MM, so about $37MM in cap space to play with, less whatever hold for their first round pick. Rozier is their only non rookie scale player outside of Rozier, and is expiring. So even if they are overpaying GH by 5-7MM per year, they have so much flexibility going forward that it likely won't matter for offseason 2 and 3 of the contract (this being offseason 1). The last year can be some cause for concern, but it's an expiring deal at that point.

Don't forget about cap holds, they'll need to resign Devonte Graham the way he played in 2020 I'd think he should be resigned. I don't know why they drafted Ball and didn't trade down. I think they could have done a lot better. Then there's this crazy signing.

I said in a thread last week that the fiscal idiocy of NBA GM's should not be underestimated. It reminds me of the Govt spending billions and trillions of someone else's money. Treat it like it's your own money and you become a lot more careful with it.

[hugepatsfan]

My thoughts exactly. If the Hornets believe Ball is the real deal (regardless of whether others agree: some do and some don't) then a wing who can shoot and serve as secondary playmaker is exactly the kind of piece you want next to him. In that sense it's a good move.

But not for $30M/yr for 4 years. Yee-ikes. Charlotte is *just* kicking off a rebuild and this is absolutely not the right time to pay that much money, for that long, for that age.

In fairness to Charlotte, their books are pretty empty going forward. Going into next season, they have 8 players under contract, including Hayward for $71MM, so about $37MM in cap space to play with, less whatever hold for their first round pick. Rozier is their only non rookie scale player outside of Rozier, and is expiring. So even if they are overpaying GH by 5-7MM per year, they have so much flexibility going forward that it likely won't matter for offseason 2 and 3 of the contract (this being offseason 1). The last year can be some cause for concern, but it's an expiring deal at that point.

Don't forget about cap holds, they'll need to resign Devonte Graham the way he played in 2020 I'd think he should be resigned. I don't know why they drafted Ball and didn't trade down. I think they could have done a lot better. Then there's this crazy signing.

I said in a thread last week that the fiscal idiocy of NBA GM's should not be underestimated. It reminds me of the Govt spending billions and trillions of someone else's money. Treat it like it's your own money and you become a lot more careful with it.

Good point one the cap hold. Not sure how high Graham's is because his salary is low, but bird rights have all sorts of quirks. Still though, could have offset that with a Rozier dump which shouldn't have been too hard in the last year of his deal.

IDK, with Zeller and Batum each being expire feels like there was definitely a chance to do this without the stretch provision. If you're signing Hayward then you're at least going for it on competing to some degree and think they could have set themselves up better to do so.

[ChettheJet]

My take would be they see him as a cornerstone that they can build around with Bridges and Washington on the young side. they see if Graham can carry over from a great year, do they keep Rozier, Monk or trade them for picks or prospects, Hayward might be gone when the plan to be a contender comes to fruition but they start with an anchor. Add Ball, Richards and McDaniels and they have their future picks and cap space next year.

[Mykhyn]

I'm loving it.

Now Spurs have a far easier path to getting Batum. Still love his fit for a year or 2 until Keldon and Vassell are both ready for the rotation