Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go

[chrisab123]

The word, unconfirmed, is that Hayward to Indy was a done deal if DA was willing to accept a package of Turner & McDermott. It is believed that Hayward wanted to go to Indy but Danny's refusal was holding it up. Under those assumptions, he may have pissed off Hayward, and he also gave other teams more time to consider an offer for Hayward.

Most here think that Turner/McDermott was a reasonable offer and that Danny would have been greedy to hold out for more.

Isn't it just as likely that Hayward was fielding offers trying to get the best deal he could? And the Hornets blew him away. I don't buy this notion that he was willing to leave millions on the table in what will be his last major deal just to go home and play for a mediocre Pacers team.

But you are willing to accept that he took $20 million more to play with a Charlotte team that may not make the playoffs and now be known as the worst contract in the league guy?

I'm willing to accept that he wasn't listening to any calls other than the Pacers until Danny Ainge **** with it. Then he ended up taking the best offer available. If it was this simple he wouldn't have pushed back the deadline and would have signed yesterday.

[Tatumfor2]

I'm honestly pretty glad we didn't offer him that contract. 4 more years of "I hope he stays healthy"? No thanks. I also don't blame him for taking the money. What really rubs me the wrong way is that we clearly did him a solid by extending the deadline just for him to do this? That's the worst part imo.

[Bar Fight]

The word, unconfirmed, is that Hayward to Indy was a done deal if DA was willing to accept a package of Turner & McDermott. It is believed that Hayward wanted to go to Indy but Danny's refusal was holding it up. Under those assumptions, he may have pissed off Hayward, and he also gave other teams more time to consider an offer for Hayward.

Most here think that Turner/McDermott was a reasonable offer and that Danny would have been greedy to hold out for more.

Isn't it just as likely that Hayward was fielding offers trying to get the best deal he could? And the Hornets blew him away. I don't buy this notion that he was willing to leave millions on the table in what will be his last major deal just to go home and play for a mediocre Pacers team.

But you are willing to accept that he took $20 million more to play with a Charlotte team that may not make the playoffs and now be known as the worst contract in the league guy?

Yes. I am easily willing to accept he took the most money offered to him. That's what most free agents do. No player gives a **** about being considered the "worst contract" lol. You're naïve if you think players will leave millions on the table just so they won't get made fun of by randoms on social media.

[CelticFaninLBC]

At some point Ainge deserves the criticism he's getting. Today he deserves it, no one can rubber stamp errors continually.

Still waiting for someone to explain the error he made today. My understanding is that free agents can sign where ever they like.

Reports are that Hayward wanted to go to Indiana and Indiana was willing to deal Turner. Ainge could have moved Turner for an asset or 2, if he didn't want him.

[Ben-N1ce]

Sigh

Another guy who made sense. I'm sure if Kemba goes down the guy from Oregon will be a fine replacement...

He got 2/15.. Was never even an option

Don't the Celtics now have the full MLE?

He was definitely an option.

Rondos role on the team ain't worth that.

[rd26]

Cap space can't always be created. Where you people coming up with this.

Brown and tatum are going no where.

That literally leaves smart and kemba.

You're gonna need to create space by dropping on of them. Which really only makes us worse doesn't it?

If a free agent is leaving, a sign and trade can always be worked out cheap. We are probably out of the trade market,, but by no means out of the FA market

[chrisab123]

At some point Ainge deserves the criticism he's getting. Today he deserves it, no one can rubber stamp errors continually.

Still waiting for someone to explain the error he made today. My understanding is that free agents can sign where ever they like.

Reports are that Hayward wanted to go to Indiana and Indiana was willing to deal Turner. Ainge could have moved Turner for an asset or 2, if he didn't want him.

Yup. Could have easily gotten a pick for him and an expiring contract. Now that money is gone. I'm fine with the player leaving. It wasn't working here. But getting letting him walk because you're greedy is really inexcusable.

[Scarletfire81]

Lol, we are waiting for a Milsap signing now. It’s funny and sad at the same time.

[BigTrade92]

How many weeks into the season before everyone on here that is advocating for old man Millsap demands he be benched?

[smith2373]

On paper our bench looks like it's gonna be even worse than it was last year and I didn't even think that was possible.

[Celtic Esquire]

At some point Ainge deserves the criticism he's getting. Today he deserves it, no one can rubber stamp errors continually.

Still waiting for someone to explain the error he made today. My understanding is that free agents can sign where ever they like.

All I'm going to ask is whether or not you followed the timeline of the events that took place in these negotiations? If you followed them closely you'd be able to see how Ainge made this error.

It is a SIGN and trade so that requires Hayward to sign first before we can trade him. If IND was willing to pay him $120M/4 then he'd be in IND right now.

No one expected the Hornets to bid against themselves and pay Hayward $30M ($39M in reality because they had to stretch Batum).

[MaxwellSmart]

NESMITH~!!!

[hugepatsfan]

Semi Ojeleye, Jevonte Green and Carsen Edwards packaged in a S&T would allow us to take back $7,283,368 in a trade. If we use that in a S&T, we can offer a player 3 yers at $22,942,609. That's more than the tax payers MLE but less than the full MLE. If it's a player under contract then he just has to fit into that # for '20-21. We can then obviously use our own full MLE at $. And the bi-annual exception. If we did all of that, here's what the roster would be:

Kemba / Pritchard
Brown / Smart / Langford
Tatum / Nesmith
Grant
Theis / R Williams

Those 10 guys (plus the dead money) total $101,392,594. We could fill our last 5 spots with:

Full MLE signing ($9,258,000)
Player acquired for Semi/Green/Edwards package ($7,283,368)
Bi-Annual Exception Signing ($3,623,000)
Vet Min Signing ($1,620,564)
Vet Min Signing ($1,620,564)

I think that's the path I'd take. Should be a FA we can sign with that S&T offer. Might have to throw the other team a few second but between the 3 players it's only $4,788,912 to take back. Semi is an ok 9th/10th man so a 2nd or two should make that neutral money for a guy a team is losing to FA anyway. Or if it's an under contract guy then the other team saves money.

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Each paragraph is aimed at one half of this board.

It's arguable they beat the sixers if simmons plays. Celtics dont beat the raps if this was a normal season because the raps have a HUGE hca three


Sixers will better as will the nets and bucks. Heat are legit as are the raps. Celtics are looking at being the 5th or 6th in the east.

Except the sixers are worse than last year and we beat the raps with the literally exact same roster last season. That's before we even make any moves. Not really convinced on the nets either. Gotta wait and see on the heat and bucks but both lost important players and added new ones so we will see. I think Boston is still right there at the top as is

Sixers were awful but at full strength they were a bad matchup against the Celtics. Nets made the playoffs with no KD or KI. With them back they are easily a top 2 seed. Bucks should be the first seed.

As for the raps. They make it to the finals with HCA that is how much of an advantage it is for them.

[Shak_Celts]

IKYFL!! I'm dreaming right? Tell me this isn't real? I stayed off for hours thinking nothing would happen and this is what I get? Son of a gun! BS BS!! No way this is real? Wait, for real?

[chrisab123]

Still waiting for someone to explain the error he made today. My understanding is that free agents can sign where ever they like.

All I'm going to ask is whether or not you followed the timeline of the events that took place in these negotiations? If you followed them closely you'd be able to see how Ainge made this error.

It is a SIGN and trade so that requires Hayward to sign first before we can trade him. If IND was willing to pay him $120M/4 then he'd be in IND right now.

No one expected the Hornets to bid against themselves and pay Hayward $30M ($39M in reality because they had to stretch Batum).

Indy didn't have the money for him. If it was that simple they wouldn't have needed Ainge and Ainge wasn't going to agree to fair compensation so instead of waiting he ended up opening things up and took the best offer.

[MagicBagley18]

Someone is gonna get bogdanovic ....don’t let it be the lakers

[CelticFaninLBC]

Still waiting for someone to explain the error he made today. My understanding is that free agents can sign where ever they like.

Reports are that Hayward wanted to go to Indiana and Indiana was willing to deal Turner. Ainge could have moved Turner for an asset or 2, if he didn't want him.

Yup. Could have easily gotten a pick for him and an expiring contract. Now that money is gone. I'm fine with the player leaving. It wasn't working here. But getting letting him walk because you're greedy is really inexcusable.

I have no problem with Hayward basically telling Ainge to f off.

[chrisab123]

He got 2/15.. Was never even an option

Don't the Celtics now have the full MLE?

He was definitely an option.

Rondos role on the team ain't worth that.

If Kemba goes down and continues to have knee issues he'd be underpaid. This team needs veterans to show them how to win.

[jfs1000d]

LOL @ bashing Danny after he made the ECFs 3 of the last 4 years with teams that were both young and injured.

I remember when winning championships was the goal.

This ecf take keeps coming up and it's just lololololol

You sound like a yankee fan. The goal is contention. We have made 3 ecfs last 4 years. We are a good team.

How is Kemba a bad contract. Knee worries me, but he was an all star and produced in his first year.


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