Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go

[StojkoVrankovic]

The guy is an Indiana beat guy who worked at the Athletic and probably is tuned in with Pritchard.

To try and defame Agness yet give props to Gary Washburn is hypocritical.

Ainge blew this. There really isn’t any other scenarios at this stage.

Show me any tweet prior to today that suggested he would get 4/120 from any team.

[Writebloc]

Still waiting for someone to explain the error he made today. My understanding is that free agents can sign where ever they like.

Reports are that Hayward wanted to go to Indiana and Indiana was willing to deal Turner. Ainge could have moved Turner for an asset or 2, if he didn't want him.

Oh. And also reported on election night trump won. Then they kept counting.

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You followed this as well as anyone, you have to acknowledge that there was a tipping point in these negotiations that Ainge failed to recognize.

Once FVV took the money to go back to Toronto anything was possible and that's where Ainge should have taken the offer from Indy.

[reload141]

Serious question for all those who are still “Team Ainge”

What moves can he still make that you would consider an improvement for this team and a step towards title contention?

No joke, I’m genuinely interested in hearing what the opposite side of the fanbase has to say.

I'll give this a shot.

If we go back to where it started we went all in to get Kyrie and lure AD here... now Kyrie has his issues but we knew we had to get him if we were a chance to get AD.

Fast forward: Kyrie decided nah screw this plan I'm going to Brooklyn. Tanked his value and then when we didn't go all in on an AD rental even though AD reiterated he wanted to only go to the Lakers and there was no other choice.

Horford - Completely blindsided, Philly came in hard with a big offer and they were considered a contender, Al took the money. I'll put this on Ainge and ownership a bit though I mean you can't just lose him for nothing, so they pivoted and signed Kemba and got creative to do so.

We lost Kyrie, Horford, Morris, Rozier, Baynes and gained Kemba, Kanter, Langford, Gwill.

Look at that talent discrepancy.

Look how far we went into the playoffs.

Now absolutely Ainge should've upgraded the bench, and I fully believe if Hayward doesn't get injured we take Miami and face the Lakers and Ainge 100% should've done more with the bench especially at the trade deadline.

We just lost Hayward, another Horford style signing where a team comes in hot with max money and he secures the bag. Were we talking to Indy? For sure we were, ultimately it's Hayward's decision and we don't know the intricate details here of what was discussed with all parties involved.

If Ainge was asking a ridiculous amount for the S&T for Hayward he absolutely should be held accountable. You wait too long and Charlotte gets turned down by Harrell and then they either up their current offer or come in with their best offer and you lose him for nothing. I don't know the truth and hope that it does come out at some point.

Now you absolutely have to play Langford/RWill/Gwill/Nesmith to find what you have in those guys... there is no "Well we can pivot and sign player X and stay in the hunt"

We have to sign some Vets with the remaining money for sure to shore up the bench but the absolute goal should be internal development with the young guys now and then moving Kemba next offseason and freeing up a Max slot.

[Ben-N1ce]

Ok, which do we have a realistic shot at getting? I’m going to say Baynes.

Boogie and IT

[Darth Celtic]

Reports are that Hayward wanted to go to Indiana and Indiana was willing to deal Turner. Ainge could have moved Turner for an asset or 2, if he didn't want him.

Oh. And also reported on election night trump won. Then they kept counting.

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Perhaps he goes to Indy for $15-20m less, if Ainge didn't try to gut the roster.

ok, would you rather work with a good team at work, or make 20m more. I'm waiting for you to say you would give up 20m. Unless it's a championship, which neither pacers or hornets have a shot at, you dont walk away from 20m.

Almost no players do.

[themoneyteam2]

So if Ainge had matched Charlotte's $30M/120M offer to keep Hayward in Boston, thereby hard capping the team for the foreseeable future and exposing the franchise to the repeater tax, would everyone here be singing hymns of praise for Ainge's commitment to winning at all costs?

As soon as MJ was willing to overpay, Boston, Indiana and NY were out of the picture. Kudos to Ainge for doing the sensible thing and not wasting two roster spots on Turner and McDermott. Timelord can do everything Turner can do except jack up treys at under 35%. I guess I'd rather have Tatum, Brown and Walker taking those shots instead of Turner.

Post of the day. Hypocrisy on this board is hilarious.

[Green89]

The guy is an Indiana beat guy who worked at the Athletic and probably is tuned in with Pritchard.

To try and discredit Agness yet give props to Gary Washburn is hypocritical.

Ainge blew this. There really isn’t any other scenarios at this stage.

Nothing points more to this being a Danny blown deal rather than a Hayward decision than this tweet:

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The extending the opt in deadline, the waiting until Saturday to sign with Charlotte, the many reports of Hayward absolutely asking to be in Indy. All this points to Danny, so his supporters need to drop the "it was Hayward's decision and he was taking the money" theories, as they aren't nearly as obvious or supported as what everything is really pointing at happened here.

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[Scarletfire81]

Ok, which do we have a realistic shot at getting? I’m going to say Baynes.

Boogie and IT

I think Boogie is done, IT is almost done.

[Celts17Pride]

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At least we don’t have to worry about Melo

[BigTrade92]

The guy is an Indiana beat guy who worked at the Athletic and probably is tuned in with Pritchard.

To try and defame Agness yet give props to Gary Washburn is hypocritical.

Ainge blew this. There really isn’t any other scenarios at this stage.

Show me any tweet prior to today that suggested he would get 4/120 from any team.

I’m not sure how the eventual contract has to do with the situation that just played out.

We know Boston/Indy talked. We know Hayward wanted to go home. We now know he was willing to take less to do it.

Don’t blame Hayward because Harrell spurned the Hornets and gave MJ free money to play with.

Blame Ainge for not taking a pretty sweet deal when it was offered and instead became greedy, holding out for more until it was too late.

[WeLikeOurGuys]

What are we **** doing? Ainge really have no back up plan?

[Celts17Pride]

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[The_Ghost_of_JB]

I'm just wondering what's going to happen during the game when Theis gets 2 fouls in the first 30 seconds and Williams isn't available because his hip is bothering him.

[BRUNiNHO91]

The guy is an Indiana beat guy who worked at the Athletic and probably is tuned in with Pritchard.

To try and defame Agness yet give props to Gary Washburn is hypocritical.

Ainge blew this. There really isn’t any other scenarios at this stage.

Show me any tweet prior to today that suggested he would get 4/120 from any team.

Exactly. Boston could have had a Oladipo, Turner and 15 first round draft picks deal on the table.. The minute the GOAT comes in with that offer there is not a **** thing we could do. Literally nobody considers the fact that maybe Hayward was holding everything up in order to get more money from a desperate team.

[yeahM8]

This will be a successful FA period if we get baynes.

Lez go

[Scarletfire81]

What are we **** doing? Ainge really have no back up plan?

I mean if no one wants to come here, what can Ainge do?

[MagicBagley18]

Serious question for all those who are still “Team Ainge”

What moves can he still make that you would consider an improvement for this team and a step towards title contention?

No joke, I’m genuinely interested in hearing what the opposite side of the fanbase has to say.

I'll give this a shot.

If we go back to where it started we went all in to get Kyrie and lure AD here... now Kyrie has his issues but we knew we had to get him if we were a chance to get AD.

Fast forward: Kyrie decided nah screw this plan I'm going to Brooklyn. Tanked his value and then when we didn't go all in on an AD rental even though AD reiterated he wanted to only go to the Lakers and there was no other choice.

Horford - Completely blindsided, Philly came in hard with a big offer and they were considered a contender, Al took the money. I'll put this on Ainge and ownership a bit though I mean you can't just lose him for nothing, so they pivoted and signed Kemba and got creative to do so.

We lost Kyrie, Horford, Morris, Rozier, Baynes and gained Kemba, Kanter, Langford, Gwill.

Look at that talent discrepancy.

Look how far we went into the playoffs.

Now absolutely Ainge should've upgraded the bench, and I fully believe if Hayward doesn't get injured we take Miami and face the Lakers and Ainge 100% should've done more with the bench especially at the trade deadline.

We just lost Hayward, another Horford style signing where a team comes in hot with max money and he secures the bag. Were we talking to Indy? For sure we were, ultimately it's Hayward's decision and we don't know the intricate details here of what was discussed with all parties involved.

If Ainge was asking a ridiculous amount for the S&T for Hayward he absolutely should be held accountable. You wait too long and Charlotte gets turned down by Harrell and then they either up their current offer or come in with their best offer and you lose him for nothing. I don't know the truth and hope that it does come out at some point.

Now you absolutely have to play Langford/RWill/Gwill/Nesmith to find what you have in those guys... there is no "Well we can pivot and sign player X and stay in the hunt"

We have to sign some Vets with the remaining money for sure to shore up the bench but the absolute goal should be internal development with the young guys now and then moving Kemba next offseason and freeing up a Max slot.

This is all 100% correct. But again and not directed at because your summary was on point but all those things we didn’t do are just failures. Now moving kemba for max space and hoping on free agency when there’s some real destinations opening up and competing with us for top players is a real crap shoot.

[yeahM8]

I'm just wondering what's going to happen during the game when Theis gets 2 fouls in the first 30 seconds and Williams isn't available because his hip is bothering him.

U pass it to baynes in the corner for 3

[Celts17Pride]

I'm just wondering what's going to happen during the game when Theis gets 2 fouls in the first 30 seconds and Williams isn't available because his hip is bothering him.

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