Trade Thread #7: The Tide is Turning, but still Myles to go

[London2Boston]

Bench still isn’t fixed and our ceiling has dropped significantly losing Hayward for nothing. No point spinning this off season as anything else but a disaster. By far the worst off season of the East contenders.

Putting everything into Tatum and Brown raking huge leaps Into absolute Superstar duos and making ourselves feel better for our “bright future” while Brooklyn,Philly,Miami and Giannis stomp on us.

[chrisab123]

How crazy would it and how crazy will people get here when the lakers get 18 next year....lose lebron, then retool back up around AD and win more in a few years before we ever get back to the finals.....lol

No one will care. We have better future assets than the Lakers. All good.

[Curmudgeon]

Ainge didn't want Turner. Got it? Do I have to repeat? If you think that was faulty player evaluation, make your case.

[The Corey's]

Sleepy danny stepping down in April. Heard it here first.

[BRUNiNHO91]

The guy is an Indiana beat guy who worked at the Athletic and probably is tuned in with Pritchard.

To try and defame Agness yet give props to Gary Washburn is hypocritical.

Ainge blew this. There really isn’t any other scenarios at this stage.

Show me any tweet prior to today that suggested he would get 4/120 from any team.

I’m not sure how the eventual contract has to do with the situation that just played out.

We know Boston/Indy talked. We know Hayward wanted to go home. We now know he was willing to take less to do it.

Don’t blame Hayward because Harrell spurned the Hornets and gave MJ free money to play with.

Blame Ainge for not taking a pretty sweet deal when it was offered and instead became greedy, holding out for more until it was too late.

All this could be true. But how do we know that Ainge didn't agree to the deal? How do we know that it wasn't Hayward who held out a bit longer in an attempt to fetch a bit more money from somebody else? Surely this guy had Charlotte on his radar already as he had signed an offer sheet with them 6 years ago. Maybe Jordan spoke to his rep and asked for a few days to drop that max contract if all else failed. People need to stop trying to jump to conclusions. Him willing to go to Indiana for less doesn't mean he was desperately jumping at that straight away. Hayward had full control of this thing.

[jirrit]

In the end: was Turner gonna get us a championship?

[The Corey's]

Ainge didn't want Turner. Got it? Do I have to repeat?

He doesn't want anyone.

[chrisab123]

Bench still isn’t fixed and our ceiling has dropped significantly losing Hayward for nothing. No point spinning this off season as anything else but a disaster. By far the worst off season of the East contenders.

Putting everything into Tatum and Brown raking huge leaps Into absolute Superstar duos and making ourselves feel better for our “bright future” while Brooklyn,Philly,Miami and Giannis stomp on us.

But the Celtics beat Philly last year........

Boston is no longer a contender. Bench is horrid.

[Darth Celtic]

Danny did screw up the Turner thing. I'm a Danny fan but he screwed up. It's ok. People screw up. Turner would have been a solid get but he really isn't as good in real life as he is on paper, so I've moved on.

so, how did he screw it up? Hornets offered 120m over 4 years fully guaranteed. Pacers said nope. How can danny fix that to get turner?

[MagicBagley18]

How many ways directly or indirectly has bron **** us over the last decade......forms heat super team, gets k love, dominates east again w cavs, blocks us from getting AD, his agency gets Harrell to turn down more money from Charlotte and take a low ball from the lakers opening Hayward deal.....unreal

[The Corey's]

In the end: was Turner gonna get us a championship?

It's about kicking the cap holds down the road until you find the right guy.

Now they stuck between not being good enough and not having money to get a player that makes a reasonable difference.

[Curmudgeon]

Ainge didn't want Turner. Got it? Do I have to repeat?

He doesn't want anyone.

I think he said about 11 times that he likes the guys he has.

[StojkoVrankovic]

Nothing points more to this being a Danny blown deal rather than a Hayward decision than this tweet:

Read on Twitter

The extending the opt in deadline, the waiting until Saturday to sign with Charlotte, the many reports of Hayward absolutely asking to be in Indy. All this points to Danny, so his supporters need to drop the "it was Hayward's decision and he was taking the money" theories, as they aren't nearly as obvious or supported as what everything is really pointing at happened here.

Gary Washburn wouldn't be able to break news about what he is eating for dinner. Imagine dying on that hill

Just too many other sources reporting the Pacers and Celtics were working on a S&T to really discount Washburn that much here. Even sources here, Woj, everyone reporting they were working in the deal all week. If you think something different happened, let's hear it.

Sure, Charlotte swooped in with an insane offer

Go back and look through all the posts, it was never close to 30 million a year.

I am as pissed as anyone that we didn't get anything for another max player walking. However, we know this ENTIRE board would demand Ainge gets fired if he ever signed G to that contract.

That contract is nuts, horrific

[Darth Celtic]

Sleepy danny stepping down in April. Heard it here first.

I'll bet you sig bet for 12 months that in May Danny is still in charge.

[bisme37]

Danny did screw up the Turner thing. I'm a Danny fan but he screwed up. It's ok. People screw up. Turner would have been a solid get but he really isn't as good in real life as he is on paper, so I've moved on.

so, how did he screw it up? Hornets offered 120m over 4 years fully guaranteed. Pacers said nope. How can danny fix that to get turner?

I don't think Gordon decided on Charlotte until MJ called him last night and sold him on going there and offered that huge bag. In the meantime the Turner offer was on the table and Gordon did want to go to Indy. The Hayward kids are enrolled in Indy schools. So Danny missed the boat, clearly.

[Ed Pinkney]

Serious question for all those who are still “Team Ainge”

What moves can he still make that you would consider an improvement for this team and a step towards title contention?

No joke, I’m genuinely interested in hearing what the opposite side of the fanbase has to say.

I'll give this a shot.

If we go back to where it started we went all in to get Kyrie and lure AD here... now Kyrie has his issues but we knew we had to get him if we were a chance to get AD.

Fast forward: Kyrie decided nah screw this plan I'm going to Brooklyn. Tanked his value and then when we didn't go all in on an AD rental even though AD reiterated he wanted to only go to the Lakers and there was no other choice.

Horford - Completely blindsided, Philly came in hard with a big offer and they were considered a contender, Al took the money. I'll put this on Ainge and ownership a bit though I mean you can't just lose him for nothing, so they pivoted and signed Kemba and got creative to do so.

We lost Kyrie, Horford, Morris, Rozier, Baynes and gained Kemba, Kanter, Langford, Gwill.

Look at that talent discrepancy.

Look how far we went into the playoffs.

Now absolutely Ainge should've upgraded the bench, and I fully believe if Hayward doesn't get injured we take Miami and face the Lakers and Ainge 100% should've done more with the bench especially at the trade deadline.

We just lost Hayward, another Horford style signing where a team comes in hot with max money and he secures the bag. Were we talking to Indy? For sure we were, ultimately it's Hayward's decision and we don't know the intricate details here of what was discussed with all parties involved.

If Ainge was asking a ridiculous amount for the S&T for Hayward he absolutely should be held accountable. You wait too long and Charlotte gets turned down by Harrell and then they either up their current offer or come in with their best offer and you lose him for nothing. I don't know the truth and hope that it does come out at some point.

Now you absolutely have to play Langford/RWill/Gwill/Nesmith to find what you have in those guys... there is no "Well we can pivot and sign player X and stay in the hunt"

We have to sign some Vets with the remaining money for sure to shore up the bench but the absolute goal should be internal development with the young guys now and then moving Kemba next offseason and freeing up a Max slot.

Also, does Turner/McDermott make them title contenders? Turner is solid, and probably better than any free agent they can sign, but he is certainly no guarantee to make any significant difference on what they have.

In my view, they just need one reliable veteran big man (more reliable than Kanter) to help out Theis (who is criminally underrated by a large number of posters here). Milsap would have been good, someone like Ibaka would be good. Their top five is potentially as good as anyone in the East in my opinion. They also really need two out of Langford, either of the Williams', or possibly Nesmith, to live up to their potential and become good, reliable rotation players.

[The Corey's]

Danny did screw up the Turner thing. I'm a Danny fan but he screwed up. It's ok. People screw up. Turner would have been a solid get but he really isn't as good in real life as he is on paper, so I've moved on.

so, how did he screw it up? Hornets offered 120m over 4 years fully guaranteed. Pacers said nope. How can danny fix that to get turner?

Lololol you're being so disingenuous that it feels like you're trolling.

Danny **** this whole thing up. But he didn't do it today. It happened months ago.

Did that help?

[The Corey's]

Sleepy danny stepping down in April. Heard it here first.

I'll bet you sig bet for 12 months that in May Danny is still in charge.

Danny is done. Cooked. He's not healthy and he doesn't look healthy and now he's not doing very well at his job.

Wyc gonna make the decision for him.

[Ben-N1ce]

Ainge didn't want Turner. Got it? Do I have to repeat?

He doesn't want anyone.

I think he said about 11 times that he likes the guys he has.

He usually says he hates the guys he has. This must be a special team.

[Green89]

Gary Washburn wouldn't be able to break news about what he is eating for dinner. Imagine dying on that hill

Just too many other sources reporting the Pacers and Celtics were working on a S&T to really discount Washburn that much here. Even sources here, Woj, everyone reporting they were working in the deal all week. If you think something different happened, let's hear it.

Have you not seen how long Hayward takes to make decisions? In the end, he was never going to agree to a deal fast. He never does. Jordon called up and said "hey, we are the top 10 most trash franchise operating wise this decade, and we don't want to let that go, want 30m a year for 4 years?" and he said yes like any sain man would. And Pacers/Celtics said no thanks, like any sain team would.

Since they'll be no Bulpett article tomorrow morning to support this, not sure how far you're going to want to go with that. You legitimately think Hayward wouldn't take a hometown discount to have his family in familiar territory during a pandemic, not sure what to tell you. His pattern this week shows he was all about working with the team on a deal to Indiana.