Trade Thread #8: All Gordon things come to an End

[threrf23]

No he's not. But he is younger and cheaper.

What do you think Hayward does better today? Shoot? Pass? Dribble? I think defense is probably a wash between the two but I could be wrong. He's also not made of glass like Hayward.

He's a super-well-rounded player that does a bit of everything very well. I'd say passing is what makes him different.

Statistically if not actually, Hayward is a better rebounder, a much better defender, and has or at least had more all around scoring ability.

Bogdan might shoot better in the clutch, and he has yet to hit his peak in all likelihood. But he is basically either a better Bojan Bogdanovic or a poor man's Hayward IMO. He is being overhyped due to a thin FA class.

[SLCceltic]

out on a date
cannot stay on phone too much ha ha
can somebody please give me a kwick summ of the charlotte s/t possibility
why would they work with us instead of just signing him
MUCHOS GRACIAS !!!

[robbie84]

What do you think Hayward does better today? Shoot? Pass? Dribble? I think defense is probably a wash between the two but I could be wrong. He's also not made of glass like Hayward.

He's a super-well-rounded player that does a bit of everything very well. I'd say passing is what makes him different.

If you watch this highlight reel and compare it to a Hayward highlight reel from the Celtics the last 3 years, I almost guarantee at least offensively which player appears to be better. It's Bogdan. Add in the durability and I think it's obvious that Bogdan is better right now.

I actually think playing on Sacramento has held him back a bit. The Celtics actually have some star players to help him get even better.

Watch on YouTube

Mate if you think he's better than Hayward, you haven't watched enough of him. He's good, but think something like a young Marcief Morris or Jeff Green.

[threrf23]

why would they work with us instead of just signing him

To do a favor that can be returned in the future, and/or to free up a little bit of cap space (i.e. by swapping Carsen Edwards for Malik Monk).

[Triple7]

What do you think Hayward does better today? Shoot? Pass? Dribble? I think defense is probably a wash between the two but I could be wrong. He's also not made of glass like Hayward.

He's a super-well-rounded player that does a bit of everything very well. I'd say passing is what makes him different.

Statistically if not actually, Hayward is a better rebounder, a much better defender, and has or at least had more all around scoring ability.

Bogdan might shoot better in the clutch, and he has yet to hit his peak in all likelihood. But he is basically either a better Bojan Bogdanovic or a poor man's Hayward IMO. He is being overhyped due to a thin FA class.

Hayward was the better over all player prior to his injury. He was an all star and carried that Jazz fracnhise as the main scorer. It just sucks we got him damaged, and couldn’t stay healthy. Right now i woould take bogdanovic no queastion.

[Darth Celtic]

He's a super-well-rounded player that does a bit of everything very well. I'd say passing is what makes him different.

If you watch this highlight reel and compare it to a Hayward highlight reel from the Celtics the last 3 years, I almost guarantee at least offensively which player appears to be better. It's Bogdan. Add in the durability and I think it's obvious that Bogdan is better right now.

I actually think playing on Sacramento has held him back a bit. The Celtics actually have some star players to help him get even better.

Watch on YouTube

Mate if you think he's better than Hayward, you haven't watched enough of him. He's good, but think something like a young Marcief Morris or Jeff Green.

unless there are highlight reels of him having plays called for him to get wide open layups and him missing them, I'm sold.. lol

[SMTBSI]

out on a date
cannot stay on phone too much ha ha
can somebody please give me a kwick summ of the charlotte s/t possibility
why would they work with us instead of just signing him
MUCHOS GRACIAS !!!

To sign Hayward outright required stretch-waiving Batum's last year of $27mil to three years of $9mil.

At $30 mil average for Hayward, this for all intents and purposes makes it like they're paying $40 for Hayward. It's insane.

Of course, now that they've committed, they're trying to figure out a way to not have to do that, which requires Boston cooperating on a S&T.

Now there's obviously something in it for us as well, in that we can generated a huge TPE from it, worth Haywar'ds first-year salary minus any salary we take back from them in the S&T.

[California Gold]

He's a super-well-rounded player that does a bit of everything very well. I'd say passing is what makes him different.

Statistically if not actually, Hayward is a better rebounder, a much better defender, and has or at least had more all around scoring ability.

Bogdan might shoot better in the clutch, and he has yet to hit his peak in all likelihood. But he is basically either a better Bojan Bogdanovic or a poor man's Hayward IMO. He is being overhyped due to a thin FA class.

Hayward was the better over all player prior to his injury. He was an all star and carried that Jazz fracnhise as the main scorer. It just sucks we got him damaged, and couldn’t stay healthy. Right now i woould take bogdanovic no queastion.

This. I think Hayward has glimpses with having certain games like he did when was with Utah. He's definitely not the player he was before though likely due to a lot of factors. That's where I'm saying for the Celtics he's an upgrade from what they had with Hayward the last 3 years. Most importantly, Bogdan adds another guy who can get his own shot or someone else a shot more consistently than Hayward would have during his tenure with the Celtics.

[titlebound1]

Thompson and Teague are two guys who I have always hated. Especially Thompson. But I can't wait to watch him and Marcus play together. We added some much needed grit

[SuperDeluxe]

Siiigh

I gotta be honest yall I'm still bummed. What a crappy day as a Cs fan

Agreed. I still have a headache because of the fumes of the melted plastic.

you have been hardcore, low key, brutal in this thread. So good.

Haha, thanks! We've seen our share of meltdowns here over the years, but today was flat-out embarrassing. I felt like coming out swinging (low key) to quell my disappointment in everything.

[Darth Celtic]

out on a date
cannot stay on phone too much ha ha
can somebody please give me a kwick summ of the charlotte s/t possibility
why would they work with us instead of just signing him
MUCHOS GRACIAS !!!

To sign Hayward outright required stretch-waiving Batum's last year of $27mil to three years of $9mil.

At $30 mil average for Hayward, this for all intents and purposes makes it like they're paying $40 for Hayward. It's insane.

Of course, now that they've committed, they're trying to figure out a way to not have to do that, which requires Boston cooperating on a S&T.

Now there's obviously something in it for us as well, in that we can generated a huge TPE from it, worth Haywar'ds first-year salary minus any salary we take back from them in the S&T.

unless rozier goes to a 3rd party and we get a player back, i doubt we are part of the salary reduction. We don't need anyone on the hornets roster.

[ConstableGeneva]

It's definitely not happening. But if Cs get a large enough TPE ($16.2M+), we can offer Bogs as much as $50M/3 years and still avoid the tax. Not that we should pay him that much. But I think that's the max we can go without going above the tax line. It doesn't have to be Bogs. It's just that he's the best FA left in the market that fills a need.

[Darth Celtic]

Agreed. I still have a headache because of the fumes of the melted plastic.

you have been hardcore, low key, brutal in this thread. So good.

Haha, thanks! We've seen our share of meltdowns here over the years, but today was flat-out embarrassing. I felt like coming out swinging (low key) to quell my disappointment in everything.

2007 draft lotto omg, that wasn't the worst from celtics fans though, that was the amount of trolling from every fan on realgm because we "tanked" on purpose and karma gave us 5.

Then all there teams started doing it and still do....

[Dogen]

What do you think Hayward does better today? Shoot? Pass? Dribble? I think defense is probably a wash between the two but I could be wrong. He's also not made of glass like Hayward.

He's a super-well-rounded player that does a bit of everything very well. I'd say passing is what makes him different.

Statistically if not actually, Hayward is a better rebounder, a much better defender, and has or at least had more all around scoring ability.

Bogdan might shoot better in the clutch, and he has yet to hit his peak in all likelihood. But he is basically either a better Bojan Bogdanovic or a poor man's Hayward IMO. He is being overhyped due to a thin FA class.

I'd give Hayward the nod on defense and rebounding certainly, but Bogdan can really get those clutch shots off and has better range. Maybe Hayward has better overall court vision, but Bogi is sneaky/savvy. I think he fits into the Celtics better since Hayward duplicated some of the big forward skills we had with Tatum and Brown, whereas Bogi might be a better overall compliment, fitting in more as a backcourt player.

[jeremym480]

It's definitely not happening. But if Cs get a large enough TPE ($16.2M+), we can offer Bogs as much as $50M/3 years and still avoid the tax. Not that we should pay him that much. But I think that's the max we can go without going above the tax line. It doesn't have to be Bogs. It's just that he's the best FA left in the market that fills a need.

That would be a good contract for him and we need a contract like that so we don't have to trade Smart if we eventually make a play for for Beal or Harden.

[djFan71]

Wow, we did pretty good while I was gone for a few hours. I mentioned earlier I’d read TT rumors. Guess that was true. Teague is solid, but with more scoring than the last solid guy. If get the tpe, that would be awesome. Bogi, cool. I’d even be ok with a Torrey Craig type as well.

[SLCceltic]

why would they work with us instead of just signing him

To do a favor that can be returned in the future, and/or to free up a little bit of cap space (i.e. by swapping Carsen Edwards for Malik Monk).

oh ok right on thx !
so moderate motivation
if we can grab Monk we need be ALL OVER THAT !!

[brackdan70]

out on a date
cannot stay on phone too much ha ha
can somebody please give me a kwick summ of the charlotte s/t possibility
why would they work with us instead of just signing him
MUCHOS GRACIAS !!!

If your date can’t break it down for you then she is not the one.

[Darth Celtic]

Wow, we did pretty good while I was gone for a few hours. I mentioned earlier I’d read TT rumors. Guess that was true. Teague is solid, but with more scoring than the last solid guy. If get the tpe, that would be awesome. Bogi, cool. I’d even be ok with a Torrey Craig type as well.

if we do get a tpe and use it, we have to release either semi/green/or edwards. Green most likely as his deal can come off clean.

[djFan71]

Wow, we did pretty good while I was gone for a few hours. I mentioned earlier I’d read TT rumors. Guess that was true. Teague is solid, but with more scoring than the last solid guy. If get the tpe, that would be awesome. Bogi, cool. I’d even be ok with a Torrey Craig type as well.

if we do get a tpe and use it, we have to release either semi/green/or edwards. Green most likely as his deal can come off clean.

im like 40 pages behind, but just keep it for next offseason if nothing else. And, releasing those guys is fine if need be.