Trade Thread #8: All Gordon things come to an End

[Shak_Celts]

Just stop, none of this is true. 26% of his threes last year were from the corner, and 24% of his shots were midrange. I don’t even know why I’m responding buy Jaylen has shown he can create for himself, especially from midrange. His handle has gotten much better also and his assist % has gone up. Try using some factual evidence in these poor takes.

Let's just say that all Jaylen Brown does is stand in a corner and shoot wide open 3 and defends, how is that a bad thing? That's all Ray Allen did but I don't hear anyone knocking him for it! Yes, Ray was better at it, his career is 40% and he also had a few low to mid 40 seasons too. If all Brown did was be a lesser version of a hall of famer, how is that a bad thing?

If Tatum wasn't on this team there is no way JB wouldn't get more respect as a player. It's sad really but it is what it is I guess.

who is saying it's a bad thing? He's paid well to do so and is one of the best guys in the NBA to do it. Considering the money being thrown around his $25 million contract is a bargain. All I ever said was I feel like Nesmith can also do that, allowing Jaylen to replace the loss of Hayward. I seriously don't get what is so controversial about this. We lost Hayward. It created a hole in our lineup. I think we fill that hole with Jaylen and Nesmith replaces Jaylen at the 2. Really read these responses and ask yourself why people are so triggered. lol maybe I just have that affect on people I guess.

Nope, you don't have that affect, I didn't even know who said what, but I'm speaking to ALL the people who keep saying that about JB and it definitely is meant to be seen as a knock against him.

[darrendaye]

RE: Trades

Will be curious if the group of mighty mites (Pritchard, Edwards, Waters) can get enough of a showcase to garner SOME level of trade interest. It was reported teams liked Waters last year, but with some struggle in NBA minutes and now a bigger logjam at the position I'm guessing it takes a hit.

[Celts17Pride]

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[BostonCouchGM]

currently Jaylen is a stand in the corner and shoot wide open C & S threes and transition scorer only, dependent on others getting him the ball. That's literally what Nesmith and SGs like Redick, Klay, Green excel at too. Typically, the better SGs have that ability but also can initiate the offense and attack defenses off the dribble (Wade, Booker, Kobe, MJ, Beal, Mitchell) unlike Jaylen due to his poor handle. Wait, are homers actually tryin to claim Jaylen doesn't have an atrocious handle that prevents him from doing this? lmao. Is it some slight wanting Jaylen to move to the 3? What a touchy sensitive bunch his defenders are.

I'm not confident Nesmith can do all those extra things but I am confident he can do exactly what Jaylen does in our offense and has the physical profile and athleticism to approximate his defense. So, while my moronic haters like to make it out as if I've said something controversial, it's anything but. That said, I think Nesmith moves without the ball and is a better shooter than Jaylen so he'll be an upgrade in that respect. But I'm not sure he has Jaylen's post up game or transition game nor on the ball defense. But when you lose Hayward you have to plug in players where they can replace that production. I like Smart off the bench. I don't know why suggesting Nesmith, who is an excellent prospect, should start is rustling Jimmies

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No matter how many times BCGM says this, it remains quite distant from reality. Jaylen's stop-and-multi-fake midrange drives matter. They aren't elite drives to the rim; they aren't teardrops/floaters; they aren't Kembaesque stepback stop-and-pops. But they are similarly effective in a diffferent way.

Jaylen's switchability on defense matters too. He can guard three positions solidly and credibly fake guarding the other two.

I actually agree that he's a natural SF, just like Jaylen and Gordon are. I think Marcus and Kemba should both start, at least against most opponents. But this Jaylen bashing continues to be way overwrought.

I've said ad nauseam he's great in his role, which is to stand in the corner and shoot wide open threes and scoring in transition. How is this construed as bashing? I legit cannot name many, if any, other guys in the NBA who can defend like you mentioned while also being money on wide open threes. But he doesn't have an even average handle. And he isn't a playmaker due to his BBIQ. I think after 4 years, despite modest improvements in both areas, this is who he is. And it's because of this, he's not elite like some of these other shooting guards, who can take over games because they are multi-faceted on offense. Are people really arguing that he's better than Harden, Beal, Booker, Mitchell or Murray? If not, what's the problem? Why all the consternation. I've literally said nothing to warrant people clutching pearls over. Perhaps I don't fawn over him at an acceptable rate? Is that it?

[Justin33]

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It still can be,We have a TPE and some 2nds

[Half-Full]

The couchgm guy wants to move Brown from SG to SF because of Brown's playmaking and handle deficiences so I thought the implication was that the SG would thus have better playmaking ability and handle.

currently Jaylen is a stand in the corner and shoot wide open C & S threes and transition scorer only, dependent on others getting him the ball. That's literally what Nesmith and SGs like Redick, Klay, Green excel at too. Typically, the better SGs have that ability but also can initiate the offense and attack defenses off the dribble (Wade, Booker, Kobe, MJ, Beal, Mitchell) unlike Jaylen due to his poor handle. Wait, are homers actually tryin to claim Jaylen doesn't have an atrocious handle that prevents him from doing this? lmao. Is it some slight wanting Jaylen to move to the 3? What a touchy sensitive bunch his defenders are.

I'm not confident Nesmith can do all those extra things but I am confident he can do exactly what Jaylen does in our offense and has the physical profile and athleticism to approximate his defense. So, while my moronic haters like to make it out as if I've said something controversial, it's anything but. That said, I think Nesmith moves without the ball and is a better shooter than Jaylen so he'll be an upgrade in that respect. But I'm not sure he has Jaylen's post up game or transition game nor on the ball defense. But when you lose Hayward you have to plug in players where they can replace that production. I like Smart off the bench. I don't know why suggesting Nesmith, who is an excellent prospect, should start is rustling Jimmies

Just stop, none of this is true. 26% of his threes last year were from the corner, and 24% of his shots were midrange. I don’t even know why I’m responding buy Jaylen has shown he can create for himself, especially from midrange. His handle has gotten much better also and his assist % has gone up. Try using some factual evidence in these poor takes.

Are you one of his moronic haters?

Don't copy this derogatory language.

~ Parl

[darrendaye]

Didn't see this posted, but I might have missed it..

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[BK_2020]

Smart for Wiseman come on Danny.

[Celts17Pride]

Didn't see this posted, but I might have missed it..

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Makes sense. Now we know Ainge is looking for a vet wing

[Celts17Pride]

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[Gomes3PC]

Still need a wing. Ilyasova ans Shaq Harrison would all be interesting to me.

[playa-hater]

Un less some shocking surprise trade comes through I am calling this the most depressing off season I can remember in a while

[playa-hater]

Still need a wing. Ilyasova ans Shaq Harrison would all be interesting to me.

I would much rather play Romeo Langford and Aaron nee Smith all the minutes over some backup veteran

[Froob]

How did Spellman end up in Minnie?

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Rent-free ...

No matter how many times BCGM says this, it remains quite distant from reality. Jaylen's stop-and-multi-fake midrange drives matter. They aren't elite drives to the rim; they aren't teardrops/floaters; they aren't Kembaesque stepback stop-and-pops. But they are similarly effective in a diffferent way.

Jaylen's switchability on defense matters too. He can guard three positions solidly and credibly fake guarding the other two.

I actually agree that he's a natural SF, just like Jaylen and Gordon are. I think Marcus and Kemba should both start, at least against most opponents. But this Jaylen bashing continues to be way overwrought.

I've said ad nauseam he's great in his role, which is to stand in the corner and shoot wide open threes and scoring in transition. How is this construed as bashing? I legit cannot name many, if any, other guys in the NBA who can defend like you mentioned while also being money on wide open threes. But he doesn't have an even average handle. And he isn't a playmaker due to his BBIQ. I think after 4 years, despite modest improvements in both areas, this is who he is. And it's because of this, he's not elite like some of these other shooting guards, who can take over games because they are multi-faceted on offense. Are people really arguing that he's better than Harden, Beal, Booker, Mitchell or Murray? If not, what's the problem? Why all the consternation. I've literally said nothing to warrant people clutching pearls over. Perhaps I don't fawn over him at an acceptable rate? Is that it?

In the recent past your list of players equal to or better than him has been much longer than I'd agree with. If you drastically changed your opinion, I missed it.

[Celts17Pride]

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[Curmudgeon]

How did Spellman end up in Minnie?

Wiggins for Deangelo Russell deal. Evans also went to Minny in that deal.

[Zaschrona]

How did Spellman end up in Minnie?

On June 21, 2018, Spellman was selected by the Atlanta Hawks with the 30th overall pick in the 2018 NBA draft.
On July 8, 2019, Spellman was traded to the Golden State Warriors for Damian Jones and a 2026 second-round pick.
On February 6, 2020, Spellman was traded to the Minnesota Timberwolves, along with D'Angelo Russell and Jacob Evans, in exchange for Andrew Wiggins and a first round pick.

Ideal candidate for Who He Play For. Chuck Barkley has no idea. Me neither.

[SMTBSI]

How did Spellman end up in Minnie?

I read that as "Maine" for a second and got really confused.

[jfs1000d]

Didn’t see bazemore with GS. I like him a lot. Sucks, but good move for him.


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