Official Miami Heat Off-Season GT - Saving you from IggieCC

Post #1741 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:27 am

insfo wrote:Multiple small trades in the last hour, but nothing from us. I have a feeling that we might be done for now and looking at maybe a consolidating trade at the deadline. Silva stays for now, if I were to guess.

Yup we are done.

insfo · Post #1742 » by **insfo** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:28 am

Miami590 wrote:
RiverboatRiles wrote:
Miami590 wrote:I really don’t get how the Lakers just signed Harrell, Matthews, Gasol and traded for Dennis while not jeopardizing their cap space for next year and we only managed to re-sign Dragic, Leonard(lol), UD and signed Bradley and Harkless.

Well, if you want to know how they did it. Turncoat Trez and Wesley Matthews both took less money to sign there. (Btw Avery Bradley is younger and offers comparable production to Matthews). And they were able to acquire Dennis because of Danny Green’s expiring.

I know how they were able to do it but we could of made moves too. Most of these players were in our price range and they were willing to take a one year contract except for Gallo. Look at Ibaka as an example, we could of recruited the hell out of him but we dropped the ball. A one year contract at the MLE would of been perfect for us.

Ibaka signed a 2 year deal with the second year being a player option. That was a no-no for us. The 2 bigs that I regret us not signing - Noel & Giles - both signed 1 year min deals though. :cry:

Post #1743 » by **IggieCC** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:29 am

I haven't caught up on details but IIRC Avery Bradley has a son who's high risk to covid and he didn't play in the bubble because of that reason.

Any indication that that won't be a problem for us? I'd assume that he's committed to playing despite out of control covid cases :-?

insfo · Post #1744 » by **insfo** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:30 am

Miami590 wrote:
RiverboatRiles wrote:
Miami590 wrote:I really don’t get how the Lakers just signed Harrell, Matthews, Gasol and traded for Dennis while not jeopardizing their cap space for next year and we only managed to re-sign Dragic, Leonard(lol), UD and signed Bradley and Harkless.

Well, if you want to know how they did it. Turncoat Trez and Wesley Matthews both took less money to sign there. (Btw Avery Bradley is younger and offers comparable production to Matthews). And they were able to acquire Dennis because of Danny Green’s expiring.

I know how they were able to do it but we could of made moves too. Most of these players were in our price range and they were willing to take a one year contract except for Gallo. Look at Ibaka as an example, we could of recruited the hell out of him but we dropped the ball. A one year contract at the MLE would of been perfect for us.

Ibaka signed a 2 year deal with the second year being a player option. That was a no-no for us. The 2 bigs that I regret us not signing - Noel & Giles - both signed 1 year min deals though. :cry:

Edit: Apologies for the multiple posts, having internet issues!

Post #1745 » by **IggieCC** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:31 am

I don't believe that Meyers ankle(s?) are done based on the contract he got and whom he got it from

Post #1746 » by **IggieCC** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:35 am

Wiltside wrote:Fair to say the Lakers got significantly better and deeper. That team is stacked.

Boogie would be fun. Hope we get him. Not expectant though, feels like we may be done tbh.

I read it somewhere that Boogie isn't ready for the start of the szn.

I have a feeling that he'll be a mid-szn Laker pickup esp. if one of McGee, Gasol, and Trez doesn't perform well

they lost size and toughness that Howard and Morris(?) brought.

Kobewade11 · Post #1747 » by **Kobewade11** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:37 am

Miami590 wrote:I know how they were able to do it but we could of made moves too. Most of these players were in our price range and they were willing to take a one year contract except for Gallo. Look at Ibaka as an example, we could of recruited the hell out of him but we dropped the ball. A one year contract at the MLE would of been perfect for us.

Ibaka turned down a 1 year deal for 12 mil with Toronto, he wanted to play with Kawhi and wanted a second year.

Bhut Jolokia · Post #1748 » by **Bhut Jolokia** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:40 am

These other centers are all getting at least 2 year deals for the most part. The Heat weren’t giving out two year deals so the best floor spacing big man they could get was Meyers Leonard. They had to pay a little extra since it was only a one year deal too.

Kobewade11 · Post #1749 » by **Kobewade11** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:41 am

By my count there’s 4 real contenders in the East: Milwaukee, Boston, Brooklyn (assuming health) and of course us, with Philly being the one wildcard that I wouldn’t be surprised if they joined that rank. A top 3 seed is imperative this year because it ensures you only run into two of these teams.

Post #1750 » by **IggieCC** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:44 am

Read on Twitter

LOL McGee isn't there anymore. LeGM strikes again. Not sure if getting rid of both Howard and McGee is smart.

DrHeat · Post #1751 » by **DrHeat** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:45 am

Most relevant events this off season.

Giannis did not sign the Supermax
Milwaukee only got marginally better
We are still competitive and possibly deeper
None of our competitors got significantly better. (Phila got different players and I believe they will be better but they did not acquire more talent)
Some of our competitors got worse: Boston, Toronto
Brooklyn did not get a third star (yet)

RonaldSeikaly · Post #1752 » by **RonaldSeikaly** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:50 am

Miami590 wrote:I really don’t get how the Lakers just signed Harrell, Matthews, Gasol and traded for Dennis while not jeopardizing their cap space for next year and we only managed to re-sign Dragic, Leonard(lol), UD and signed Bradley and Harkless.

Really crappy off-season for us. The team that just beat us just built one of the best bench in the NBA while we’re just satisfied finishing in second place.

When you’re the favorite to win another title, and seem tailored for a dynasty, you get players at a discount who want to win it all before they hang it up. Warriors got that benefit a few years ago. We had it during the big 3 era.

But the more i look at the lineup the more I’m satisfied. I mean from a total talent perspective we are barely in the top 10. But we won’t meaningfully close that gap without superstars. Instead we overachieve thru chemistry, development, and coaching.

Virtually every player is in a role that allows us to maximize what they can do except perhaps Nunn (who i dont see breaking into the rotation until we have injuries, but doesn’t have much trade value either).

This should be a really easy team to root for.

insfo · Post #1753 » by **insfo** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:51 am

DrHeat wrote:Most relevant events this off season.

Giannis did not sign the Supermax
Milwaukee only got marginally better
We are still competitive and possibly deeper
None of our competitors got significantly better. (Phila got different players and I believe they will be better but they did not acquire more talent)
Some of our competitors got worse: Boston, Toronto
Brooklyn did not get a third star (yet)

The first event in the list needs a (yet) too, since he has till Dec 21st.

Rapaz · Post #1754 » by **Rapaz** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:53 am

dean456 wrote:
Rapaz wrote:
dean456 wrote:
Robinson only shot 25% from 3 in the first 3 games of the Finals and shot 22% 3/6 games against Boston and shot only 35% from 3 against Milwaukee. That mean he's expendable now too?

Herro shot 27% from 3 in the first 3 games of the finals and shot 26% in 3/6 games in the ECF. What about him?

I'm obviously not serious but nit picking a players worst performances and saying that's why they don't make an impact on our team is just silly.

I'd prefer a shooter shooting and missing than a non shooter out there which no one has to guard effecting the rest of the team.

Did I say that? Don’t be such a dope.

Then why even mention this? Why deliberately ignore his good shooting games in the finals? What point are you making?

Dean, I agree that Jae contributed greatly for a significant part of the playoffs and I would have liked to have seen him return, but he was dreadful from 3 at critical junctures and his loss is not insuperable. I am confident that we will be able replace most (if not all) of his production with our current roster or with another key mid-season acquisition. I wish him all the best, but I am not losing sleep over his departure.

By the way, I regret calling you a dope. That was unkind. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving. :beer:

DrHeat · Post #1755 » by **DrHeat** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:56 am

I would be very happy with this starting lineup

Bradley
Robinson
Jimmy
Bam
Hammer

3 plus defenders + 2 shooters

Bench

Herro
Goran
Harkless
Kelly
KZ/Achiuwa

Brake in case of emergency

Silva
Nunn
One of the forwards

Kobewade11 · Post #1756 » by **Kobewade11** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:59 am

DrHeat wrote:I would be very happy with this starting lineup

Bradley
Robinson
Jimmy
Bam
Hammer

3 plus defenders + 2 shooters

Bench

Herro
Goran
Harkless
Kelly
KZ/Achiuwa

Brake in case of emergency

Silva
Nunn
One of the forwards

I would expect Nunn to still be a major contributor, assuming he’s not traded. If for no other reason to showcase his value around the league and keep Goran fresh. Herro did ok in spurts at point but Nunn is the closest to Goran in terms of being able to dribble penetrate. Spo will have his work cut out for him again

Post #1757 » by **IggieCC** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:01 am

insfo wrote:
DrHeat wrote:Most relevant events this off season.

Giannis did not sign the Supermax
Milwaukee only got marginally better
We are still competitive and possibly deeper
None of our competitors got significantly better. (Phila got different players and I believe they will be better but they did not acquire more talent)
Some of our competitors got worse: Boston, Toronto
Brooklyn did not get a third star (yet)

The first event in the list needs a (yet) too, since he has till Dec 21st.

I wonder if Giannis will consider it after he sees the new team in some kind of training camp?

I'd say Jrue Holiday is a massive upgrade over Bledsoe and the Bucks got better, no fancy adjective needed. Bledsoe was so bad and it really helped us.

batterybro42 · Post #1758 » by **batterybro42** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:02 am

The way Miami is currently operating you would have to think they are very confident in their ability to land Giannis in 2021. The Bucks are over there flailing about and making panic moves. Riley and Co are steadfast, calm, and waiting for their window of opportunity. Sometimes the best move is to stay patient, and hold the line.

The Miami front office has been on a collision course with the 2021 offseason since they signed Butler, and I commend them for sticking to their guns, and the plan when some teams not adjusted to annual success may have pushed all the chips to the middle of the table after going 6 games deep in the finals

DrHeat · Post #1759 » by **DrHeat** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:02 am

RiverboatRiles wrote:
DrHeat wrote:I would be very happy with this starting lineup

Bradley
Robinson
Jimmy
Bam
Hammer

3 plus defenders + 2 shooters

Bench

Herro
Goran
Harkless
Kelly
KZ/Achiuwa

Brake in case of emergency

Silva
Nunn
One of the forwards

I would expect Nunn to still be a major contributor, assuming he’s not traded. If for no other reason to showcase his value around the league and keep Goran fresh. Herro did ok in spurts at point but Nunn is the closest to Goran in terms of being able to dribble penetrate. Spo will have his work cut out for him again

It would be difficult to find minutes for him unless they give Goran more time to recover

dean456 · Post #1760 » by **dean456** » Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:02 am

Rapaz wrote:
dean456 wrote:
Rapaz wrote:Did I say that? Don’t be such a dope.

Then why even mention this? Why deliberately ignore his good shooting games in the finals? What point are you making?

Dean, I agree that Jae contributed greatly for a significant part of the playoffs and I would have liked to have seen him return, but his loss is not insuperable. I am confident that we will be able replace most (if not all) of his production with our current roster or with another key mid-season acquisition. I wish him all the best, but I am not losing sleep over his departure.

By the way, I regret calling you a dope. That was unkind. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

Appreciate you saying that. I'm not going to lose sleep over it either, just not as confident that we will be able to replace his shooting at the PF position. We can definitely replace his defense. There are just few players in the league that can shoot as well as Crowder did for us while also playing his level of defense across multiple positions. Hopefully our other guys make enough of a jump to make up for that.